pmabraham t1_iueom3w wrote
Reply to comment by AmberWaves80 in Wolf Administration Participating in "Committee for Safe and Secure Elections" Group To Protect Elections From Threats / Intimidation by PierogiPowered
Yes, they are elective services since it is extremely rare a woman needs an abortion to save her life. And since ALL medically induced abortions kills another human being on purpose, it does matter.
Tina_Las_Vegas t1_iuf00gi wrote
~15% is not extremely rare…which is the stat of women who have abortions for health issues. Whether it be their own health or the health of the fetus.
Also it’s none of your god damn business
pmabraham t1_iufd4i5 wrote
https://www.health.pa.gov/topics/HealthStatistics/VitalStatistics/Documents/Pennsylvania_Annual_Abortion_Report_2020.pdf ---> 32,123 abortions of which per the state document, ONLY 162 are classified as "Pre-existing Medical Conditions Which Would Complicate Pregnancy" (which doesn't give the % of risk). 162 / 32123 = 0.5% were for the mother's health. Next time, please try not to lie when there are reports to verify the truth.
Tina_Las_Vegas t1_iufge9u wrote
I was talking nationally not in a state level and I was confusing the stat. An abortion ban could increase maternal fatality over 20%
Tina_Las_Vegas t1_iufgr2l wrote
I was talking nationally not in a state level and I was confusing the stat. An abortion ban could increase maternal fatality over 20%
Edit: STILL NONE OF YOUR GOD DAMN BUSINESS WHAT I MAY OR MAY NOT DO WITH MY BODY
pmabraham t1_iufgsh5 wrote
Incorrect. Each state department of health publishes it's own data. I presented Pennsylvania's data. It mirrors the NATOINAL level of less than 1% of all abortions done for the "mother's health." What if studies don't count over reality of what is actually happening.
Tina_Las_Vegas t1_iufi6f1 wrote
Pre-existing conditions are not the only thing that would require a medically necessary abortion. A condition that pregnancy brought on, a miscarriage, pre-eclampsia, or a required hysterectomy(an additional stat in the report you attached) would also be medically necessary reasons and obviously not considered in the 162 figure you are using. Additionally any situation where the fetus has already been determined to be not viable would not be pre-existing and would be medically necessary for the health of the mother.
pmabraham t1_iufncqf wrote
The removal of a non-viable fetus (i.e. one that IS NOT alive) is not an abortion procedure. A medically induced abortion kills a living unborn baby.
Tina_Las_Vegas t1_iug5aaq wrote
Actually yes it is. This article also reminded me that an ectopic pregnancy is another example of something that is not a pre-existing condition that would require an abortion for the life of the mother.
“Medical providers often refer to miscarriages as spontaneous abortions, or by its subcategories including missed, incomplete and inevitable abortions (see Glossary).”
Link for quote.
pmabraham t1_iuhajzt wrote
Since you went with a very liberal news source, try https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/abortion-never-saves-a-mothers-life-ireland-ads-clarify-ectopic-treatment-not-abortion/
Tina_Las_Vegas t1_iuhflyo wrote
Not the US. Try again
Edit: KFF is a non-partisan research group and I at least went with a research org instead of some for profit greedy corporation.
pmabraham t1_iuhjooe wrote
Lifestyle news is nonprofit try again
Tina_Las_Vegas t1_iuipy7w wrote
Still not referring the good ole US of A.
I no longer have time to waste on you. Enjoy your life.
pmabraham t1_iufa4u7 wrote
God is good AND murder is everyone's business. Please cite the source of the 15%.
Tina_Las_Vegas t1_iufgi4f wrote
But also this is false.
God is in fact a murderer and not good. There are several examples in the Bible of this. Noah would be the most well known example.
pmabraham t1_iufgmth wrote
Your opinion, and again you don't have a source for the 15%...
Tina_Las_Vegas t1_iufh2s6 wrote
You live based on stories in the Bible which you believe to be facts. So what I said is a fact. I got it from your book.
amoliski t1_iugz3lz wrote
If abortion is wrong, why does God kill kids?
Keinichn t1_iuj31me wrote
You realize that the Bible doesn't even consider a fetus to be a person and that there's even passages for a priest-led miscarriage/abortion ritual, right? Please stop using that stupid book as justification for shit when it directly contradicts the things you're trying to justify.
EDIT: Numbers 5:11-31 (Priest led fidelity test. Woman miscarries if she was unfaithful). Exodus 21:22-25 (punishment for causing a miscarriage due to hitting a pregnant woman. Causing miscarriage = fined. Killing the woman = death. Fetus is not treated as a person). Several other verses imply a being is not living until it has taken its first breath, which a fetus in the womb cannot do.
According to your very own holy book, abortion isn't murder because the fetus isn't a person until they're born and breathe. If you think differently, that's fine, but just remember your own religious text doesn't back you up on that view.
AmberWaves80 t1_iufa797 wrote
No, all abortions are necessary abortions. It’s healthcare.
pmabraham t1_iufcv7f wrote
Killing is not healthcare. Medical science confirms human life starts at conception, and medical science confirms reproduction ends at conception. Medically induced abortion is not healthcare or reproductive care (reproduction is already finished PRIOR to any medically induced abortion).
AmberWaves80 t1_iufiocd wrote
Sorry homie, abortion is healthcare, even if you don’t want to believe it.
pmabraham t1_iufn6r1 wrote
I work in healthcare, BSN, RN so I know what healthcare is and is not. The purposeful killing of innocent and defenseless babies IS NOT healthcare. And if you go to the PA department of health website, you can find a document showing that ONLY 0.5% (less than 1%) of women get medically induced abortions for health risks.
AmberWaves80 t1_iufo6yd wrote
The good news is that I can have an abortion if I need one because it is healthcare. If I don’t want to carry a parasite for 9 months that could literally kill me, and that cannot survive outside of me, I don’t have to. Hopefully I will never have the misfortune of having you as a nurse. Since you obviously know zero about the field you have a degree in.
pmabraham t1_iufvl4p wrote
Wow... you are comparing an unborn human baby to a parasite?
Twinbrosinc t1_iughvub wrote
Well. Yeah they do kinda fit the definition of one, no?
> an organism living in, on, or with another organism in order to obtain nutrients, grow, or multiply often in a state that directly or indirectly harms the host
pmabraham t1_iuhagli wrote
Are you a parasite? Human beings are not parasites.
AmberWaves80 t1_iuhfb8x wrote
Yes, a fetus is a parasite. As someone pointed out in the above comment. Literal parasites who leech the calcium from your body, messing up teeth, and bones. Make you puke your guts out. Give you high BP and/or diabetes. Could kill you on the way out (and far more likely to happen in the US than any other industrialized nation). They can’t live outside of their parent. Yep, parasite.
pmabraham t1_iuhjqj2 wrote
The word embryo, zygote and fetus or stages of development of an unborn baby. You do not go from a parasite to a human being when she goes to the magical birth canal unless you're a Democrat.
AmberWaves80 t1_iuhjtna wrote
It’s a parasite. Having been pregnant, I can assure you that it’s a parasite.
pmabraham t1_iuhk3id wrote
As a register nurse I can assure you that an unborn human baby is not a parasite. You're talking complete nonsense.
AmberWaves80 t1_iuhk8o0 wrote
We get it. You’re a nurse who doesn’t believe that your patients have a right to decide what happens to their bodies. Again, I hope you’re on the other side of the state so that there is no change I ever run into your ignorant ass. You saw the definition of a parasite and you’re still arguing. Meanwhile the exact definition of a parasite is what a fetus is.
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AmberWaves80 t1_iuhkoul wrote
Oh honey, it can’t live outside the body, so in fact, those are decisions about the pregnant person’s body.
amoliski t1_iugz9dt wrote
>Medical science confirms human life starts at conception
Scientists also said to wear masks and avoid crowds, but the pro-life republican crowd seems to have ignored that.
pmabraham t1_iuhaeka wrote
Oh my...... science gives specific reasons and times to wear a mask, but Democrats and liberals are unscientific. An N95 mask or better for KNOWN airborne infections for one time use only; not an entire day, shift, or multiple patients. Surgical and cloth masks DO NOTHING for an airborne virus.
amoliski t1_iuigeed wrote
If I'm about to sneeze directly into your face, would you prefer I do it maskless or with a cloth mask?
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