Submitted by wyzapped t3_125tl4p in RhodeIsland
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qwertyasdf123459 t1_je61vb1 wrote
Everyone who isn't us sucks
ABKzay t1_je660fm wrote
Stop bringing up old stuff
tilario t1_je67mfi wrote
don't jinx us you twat! đ
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thosethingstodo t1_je6ablc wrote
This doesn't fit the definition of a mass shooting for this map. 4 or more people need to have died from the shooting to be on this particular map.
keithjp123 t1_je6ctnn wrote
Nah. Hawaii is pretty sweet too.
ChronicCumShots t1_je6cz5g wrote
Why the fuck would you say that out loud
citrus_mystic t1_je6dndy wrote
/u/thosethingstodo - âThis doesn't fit the definition of a mass shooting for this map. 4 or more people need to have died from the shooting to be on this particular map.â
(Edit) Google/Wiki: âThere is a lack of consensus on what constitutes a mass shooting, but most definitions include a minimum of three or four victims of gun violence, not including the shooter, in a short period.â
citrus_mystic t1_je6e43h wrote
Immediately my first thought as well :c
BananaSandwichDuce2 t1_je6jht4 wrote
The Gun Violence Archive, a nonprofit research group, defines a mass shooting as an incident in which four or more people are shot or killed, not including the shooter.Â
Chimbo84 t1_je6juik wrote
This really doesnât mean anything. Itâs not like RI policies or gun control are better or mental health services are better. I say weâve just been lucky which we all know is barely a notch above âthoughts and prayersâ on the effectiveness scale. This is not something to celebrate.
7x7x7 t1_je6l2bx wrote
306 mass shootings is less than 1 per million people. RI not having one is likely just due to statistics unfortunately. Gun violence is a plague that impacts the entirety of the country, even if there are none in RI.
IMeanYouNoHarmYet t1_je6mbel wrote
Impressive, very nice - now let's see the infographic on mob hits.
Green-Valuable-2906 t1_je6np9v wrote
Yet. There hasn't been a mass shooting yet.
climb-high t1_je6ps3l wrote
Absolutely allow people to celebrate that there hasnât been a mass shooting in their state. Come on.
Edit; yes itâs likely more about statistics due to our low population, but still, go us even if itâs a spurious statistic
Allopathological t1_je6qj5i wrote
Shut the fuck up youâre gonna jinx us you moron delete this
_hanShan_ t1_je6qtps wrote
If you like meth and poverty
astrangeday13 t1_je6qyyx wrote
No, that's Ohio.
_hanShan_ t1_je6rvdd wrote
Itâs both but the cost of living is higher in Hawaii
astrangeday13 t1_je6rxn1 wrote
Well played.
The_Dream_of_Shadows t1_je6s1l1 wrote
Yeah, thanks a lot, OP...now I have to stay inside for another 20 years till the curse is broken.
keithjp123 t1_je6sh2k wrote
RI has a much bigger meth and poverty problem. The homeless issue in Hawaii is that of mental illness more than drug abuse.
_hanShan_ t1_je6sr6q wrote
For sure my dude.
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TheThinker21 t1_je727qt wrote
You just jinxed the streak
upcountry_degen t1_je794tw wrote
It is worth noting RI has a couple of measures in place that many other states do not: A 7 day waiting period which serves as a cool down period, but it also is time in which the paperwork must be signed off on by the purchasers local police department. In many of these mass shootings law enforcement has been familiar with the shooter, but shooter didnât have a record which flags on the 4473 (form filled out for Federal background check) so they were able to purchase firearms legally. In the case of RI the local PD can deny the sale if the person doesnât have a criminal history, but is known to have issues that havenât involved arrest (psych, substance abuse, etc) and would be concerning for firearm purchase. The only exception to this is if someone holds a CCW, however those require a substantial amount of vetting in RI including qualifying with a firearm, 3 references with notarized letters, finger prints, meeting with local PD etc.
Imaginary_Kangaroo80 t1_je79qa1 wrote
Iâm thankful but also hope it never happens
UnisexWaffleBooties t1_je7bgce wrote
Or drug-related shootings.
glennjersey t1_je7ceof wrote
Be sure to remind the state legislature of this as they try to justify further firearm restrictions every legislative session; solving a problem that doesn't exist.
BigDaddyCoolDeisel t1_je7fl3s wrote
Meh... RI has about as robust a social safety net as you can find in the United States. Parental leave, comparatively high minimum wage, child care, TDI, TCI.
It certainly isn't a "fuck you. You're on your own." state. Maybe that helps?
Desperate_Expert_952 t1_je7ixrr wrote
Looks like gun control worked even before they banned 10rd mags
Ok-Collection-7253 t1_je7j363 wrote
What do want a fucking cookie?
geeps2020 t1_je7jv70 wrote
yeah, they just tax the crap out of everyone...great state, shitty politics
BigDaddyCoolDeisel t1_je7knqw wrote
Values statement. Low crime, high quality of life.
You don't have to stay, you know?
HighPlainsDrifting t1_je7ko6c wrote
Yeah true. I wish they would focus that energy on something productive, like putting on-duty officers inside all schools. I honestly thought the total would be higher. 306 since 09. And im willing to bet over 95% of these are gang related with illegal firearms. 95% of those are pistols, not even rifles. The "assault weapon" debate is ridiculous on its face.
degggendorf t1_je7kr4w wrote
I hope this post ages like fine wine
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geeps2020 t1_je7l14t wrote
really? thanks for that great piece of wisdom..
keithjp123 t1_je7l7un wrote
Anecdotally, from living in both places, disagree. And âdrugsâ is a loose term without much meaning or specificity.
Bagabundoman t1_je7o6m7 wrote
Sure, but at the same time, North Dakota has two dots
Pleasant-Champion-14 t1_je7ob9i wrote
Gun violence is a serious problem in Rhode Island.
sbaz86 t1_je7ohfr wrote
This does make me feel just a little better. Granted, itâs not perfect and if someone truly wants to do something, you really canât stop them, but at least we are doing better than some states who will give guns to anyone with a pulse.
MilsurpSmurp t1_je7oie4 wrote
Quick, make all of the gun owners in Rhode Island felons!
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Oh wait. Already happened.
sbaz86 t1_je7orzm wrote
You think 95% of these are âgang related with illegal firearms?â You have anything to back that up? I donât, but I feel you are far from wrong.
sbaz86 t1_je7p4av wrote
I could go for some Keebler Elfwiches, double stuffed if you donât mind. Please and thank you.
deathsythe t1_je7p9mp wrote
*isn't
FTFY, because the FBI begs to differ
In 2019 (last publicly released data from what I can gather) we had 25 murders that whole year, and less than half of them of them were with firearms.
None of them were with rifles of any kind (contrary to the push for an "assault weapons ban" rifles quite literally are not a problem here) - more people were killed by knives (7), bludgeoning instruments (6), and hands and feet (2) than rifles of any kind, not just so called "assault weapons".
chrisct625 t1_je7piod wrote
Only 2 things come from RI, lobstahs and mobstahs
OrganizationPutrid68 t1_je7q2np wrote
New Hampshire has a slightly higher population and is a Constitutional Carry State. Your point is?
Lunaesa t1_je7qa7e wrote
Seriously, don't curse it.
khais t1_je7wy5w wrote
I don't like that it leaves a great deal of subjectivity and discretion to law enforcement, who are prone to behaving like schoolyard bullies.
sbaz86 t1_je81vdh wrote
While I do understand and respect your opinion, I would just rather be safe than sorry. I have a few elementary aged kids, I do worry. People applying shouldnât receive a hold back for a license for no reason, and I also think people should be able to âappealâ any hold backs, but I would rather have those safe guards than not have them. I am a pro gun person, I just donât think âeverybodyâ should have them. Who should and who shouldnât, and up to whoâs discretion? Great question and I donât have all the answers, but I think where we are is a good start to a huge problem.
hcwhitewolf t1_je821vp wrote
I'm gonna help you out here Deg cuz I think some people misunderstood your comment and were reporting it.
Aged like fine wine = good, meaning Deg hopes this post remains true for a very long time. Likely in reference to RI having no documented mass shootings since 2009, and hoping that continues for the foreseeable future.
Aged like milk is the bad one.
degggendorf t1_je84nfs wrote
Right on, thanks buddy!
barsoapguy t1_je869bg wrote
Wait, in order for me to CC, I have to get three people to vouch for me ? Damn
7x7x7 t1_je86yki wrote
Yea, itâs likely a combination of factors (as everything is). Population, general political leanings, firearm ownership rates, etc which would cause the difference between RI and ND. ND is conservative and rural so likely higher firearm ownership rates, plus the events in North Dakota could stem from oil field layoffs or long hours. Who knows. I would just caution that the lack of mass shootings in RI doesnât mean we are better than CT or MA since itâs a national issue.
geffe71 t1_je878y6 wrote
Tell that to CA
Desperate_Expert_952 t1_je89r6i wrote
Yup itâs a joke. Its really about division and mental illness that is a root of this.
cbri t1_je8ax99 wrote
Gunrunner79 t1_je8lpwk wrote
Weird flex, but okay đ¤ˇđťââď¸
knob-turned-past-uhf t1_je8q06r wrote
Per a quick check on Wikipedia the answer is that most are suicides. This has been a long-time trend, that is well known, well studied and has had almost no action taken on it. In no small part because it is not a "sexy" political issue, nor is it something well represented in the news.
> n 2018, the most recent year for which data are available as of 2021, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) National Center for Health Statistics reports 38,390 deaths by firearm, of which 24,432 were by suicide.
sbaz86 t1_je96ory wrote
Iâm sorry, but what the fuck does this have to do with whatâs above. I see what youâre saying, most gun violence is actually suicide, okay. What we are discussing is that â95% of school shootings (school shootings is the main keyword here) are gang related with illegal firearms.â You didnât bring anything relevant to that. Thanks for the suicide rate of gun deaths, but not even remotely close to what the discussion is about. Are 95% of school shootings gang related? Are 95% of school shootings with illegal firearms? From my understanding, and again I donât have anything to back it up, just what I have gathered over the years from news outlets, is most of these are lone-wolf shooters who actually have legally owned guns. I want to see where this statistic is, not the suicide rate. Thanks anyhow.
TheHoundsRevenge t1_je96r2t wrote
Ummm what mass shooting did I miss in Mass?
mtnstoseaside t1_je981p8 wrote
I called both senators and my rep as well today and basically said itâs only a matter of time before we have one in RI. Dear god will our congress do literally anything? I canât even imagine what would have to happen for the total dereliction of duty to stop.
Imjusthereforgossip3 t1_je9c7g7 wrote
I agree but Iâll take whatever we can get as a mom for two kids. Iâm terrified to send them to school to be sitting ducks.
Imjusthereforgossip3 t1_je9ch0x wrote
I did too. Thankfully our senators are already on board with S.25 but I urged them to do everything they can.
Nintendofan08 t1_je9dorc wrote
See? We are chill
hypochondriac200 t1_je9ehsm wrote
There was a mass shooting at a senior living facility in Westerly in 2019. 4 people shot but that included the shooter so I guess it didnât make this definition. But you do see it on some lists.
mtnstoseaside t1_je9h3dt wrote
Thatâs good- itâs always good to leave a comment on these sort of things I think just to reinforce their position if nothing else tbh.
Imjusthereforgossip3 t1_je9jg19 wrote
degggendorf t1_je9kikw wrote
> In the case of RI the local PD can deny the sale if the person doesnât have a criminal history, but is known to have issues that havenât involved arrest
Is there any public info about how often that happens?
Anecdotally, I have heard about different town's police captains (or maybe town charters or something?) and whether they subscribe to a "shall issue" or "may issue" philosophy; like, whether the police just rubber stamp applications, or if they do actual vetting.
But that's also second-hand likely-misremembered info too, which is why I'm interested to learn more/be corrected.
degggendorf t1_je9kofl wrote
Yeah that's why I only put on my seat belt after I crash the car. I've had zero crashes! Why would I try to solve a problem that doesn't exist!
Beneficial-Crow7054 t1_je9lqu3 wrote
What about vermont? When did that happen?
HighPlainsDrifting t1_je9n4vr wrote
I did not say 95% of school shootings are gang related. I said 95% of these 306 "mass shootings" are gang related.
No_Establishment_490 t1_je9oh2m wrote
Iâm assuming theyâre including things like a Worcester shooting in 2020 where 6 people were shot - no one died. Which just helps prove the point that states w strict gun control laws prevent more deadly events.
There have been significant mass shootings in MA, but they donât coincide with the dates that this map claims. Itâs hard to fact check this map, it seems.
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itsjustphe t1_je9xgy9 wrote
The East Coast is going through it
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SNES_Punk t1_jea416y wrote
CA has the 7th lowest rate for gun violence in the country. 9 out of the top 10 states ranked for highest gun violence are red states while 10 out of the top 10 ranked for lowest gun violence are blue states.
Not saying this is a Republican issue, but...wait, yes I am. Scumbag republican lawmakers have the power to change that but they wont.
sbaz86 t1_jea8f4i wrote
Yes sir, Iâm sorry, youâre correct. Still, Iâd like to see the numbers on that. I disagree, I think gang members kill within their own âworldâ, these mass shootings to my knowledge arenât gang members. I canât really recall any of them being gang members actually. Sorry for the mistake earlier.
mightyatom4761 t1_jea97mz wrote
Maybe we just have bad aimâŚ.
HighPlainsDrifting t1_jeaanuw wrote
I dont know how to say it more clearly but you still don't seem to get it. "Mass shootings" are calculated by there being multiple victims. A lot of gang-related shootings are groups of people shooting at other groups of people, HENCE THEY ARE CALCULATED AS MASS SHOOTINGS.
sbaz86 t1_jeafir1 wrote
Fuck? No, I do clearly understand the definition of mass shootings, and I still stand by what I said. As far as them shooting at groups of people, donât act like any of them have great aim, they shoot way more shots than they catching bodies. Gangs usually find a person out of territory, or itâs a targeted hit, whatever it is, but I hear less âmass gang death shootoutsâ than I do other mass shootings. I bet most of these mass shootings are actually school shootings, churches, supermarkets, movie theaters, college campus, military base, etc, wherever, I think theyâre more lone wolf style in public places, not gang related. Thatâs all Iâm saying, and until I see numbers, thatâs my opinion. I respected yours, I just disagree with it. Now, do you get it?
sbaz86 t1_jeah8up wrote
Only thing I can find is â2/3 of all mass shootings are linked to domestic violence.â With that being said, I think that eliminates the 95% at the minimum.
sbaz86 t1_jeahwec wrote
Lastly, 77% of all mass shootings used firearms that were purchased legally. Not gangs, not illegal firearms.
Desperate_Expert_952 t1_jebvrv1 wrote
Nice way to reduce a very complex problem to not only a reductive simplistic look at it with zero depth but also political argument. Sweet good work!
SNES_Punk t1_jec376j wrote
Rather than being passive-aggressive. Would you care to explain the complexities behind this? Because to me it sounds like the step in the right direction is either banning civilians from possession of guns, or require mental and physical testing, insurance, and quarterly accountability reports.
SNES_Punk t1_jec5fej wrote
You have impeccable taste in prepackaged cookies. What's your stance on Vienna Fingers?
sbaz86 t1_jec81jr wrote
BOMB! All Keebler cookies, the grahams, the peanut butter dreams, fudge stripes, big fan of them all. Seems like you share the same taste, stay munching my friend.
SNES_Punk t1_jec8h6s wrote
I like you!
newbiePVD t1_jec9v94 wrote
It takes effort to prevent mass shootings in our schools & decrease gun violence in the community. Hope & luck is not enough. Suggest follow Moms Demand Action-RI on facebook. check https://momsdemandaction.org/events.
Desperate_Expert_952 t1_jecjenf wrote
Let me ask you this before I respond further. âWhat are you trying to prevent/do/accomplishâ then I can better address you. Basically what is your end game result that you want to see?
SNES_Punk t1_jecwwt2 wrote
There's no endgame. It's just a contemporary topic and I'm looking to discuss it. I'm well aware that the chances of us changing each other's minds is slim to none.
Desperate_Expert_952 t1_jedahuv wrote
To back up a bit. Law and policy change or establishment of laws and policies is to tackle some problem or wrong. Example: people are upset other people take their belongings. Solution: create laws against theft and prosecute those that commit theft possible with restitution and punitive jail time etc. we donât create laws without some form of end in mind.
With that said. Are you looking to stop violence and murder? Do you just not like guns? You said earlier âit would be a step in the right directionâ what direction is that? What solution are you in theory stepping to?
SNES_Punk t1_jee68iw wrote
>Are you looking to stop violence and murder?
I'd love that, but it's grossly unrealistic. I'd love to see a vast reduction in gun violence, most especially the epidemic of mass shootings that America is facing.
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Strict gun ownership regulations wouldn't absolve us of gun violence completely, but it would allow less easily accessed firearms.
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Banning civilian firearm ownership for the foreseeable future also wouldn't completely solve gun violence in the country either. However, I'll use Port Arthur as an example.
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In April 1996, a shooter killed 35 people and injured 23 others in Port Arthur, Tasmania, Australia. That shooting forced the government to make huge changes to their gun ownership amendments, taking guns away from civilians. There have been 3 mass shootings in Australia in the 27 years since Port Arthur. There have been over 100 mass shootings in America since the beginning of this year.
>Do you just not like guns?
Actually the opposite. When I bought my house I was looking to buy a Sig p365 for home defense, but after Uvalde and having my daughter I reconsidered. I trust myself to be responsible and keep it locked up and unloaded, but then it defeats the purpose of having it for home defense if it's so difficult for me to access in a time sensitive situation like a home invasion.
>What solution are you in theory stepping to?
A theoretical reduction in gun violence in America based on a statistical analysis of other countries where the civilians do not have access to guns.
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Police would be less hostile if they aren't in fear of a simple traffic stop erupting into a shootout
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A reduction in mass shootings, gang shootings, crimes of passion, road rage shootings, accidental shootings, and gun-related suicides are all reduced
That's really all I want to see. I'm not naive - I know crimes will still be committed, I know there will still be psychos running around naked at train stations trying to stab people. I know illegal arms dealership is a real occurrence. But a reduction in the epidemic of gun violence in America, and only America, is the goal that I'd like to see our government reach.
I'm not saying you're insinuating this at all, but I feel compelled to say it anyway given its such a talked about topic; the second amendment was created for the purpose of suppressing a tyrannical government. People feel if they take guns from us, the government has all the power.
Maybe I'm a nihilist, but I think we're all long passed the point of combating the government. They may not outnumber us, but they sure as hell outdo us in available tech.
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Better weapons
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Better armor
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Better surveillance technologies
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Tanks/Choppers/Jets/Drones
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Better training
If we were to step up to the government, they'd squash us like bugs. We all allowed them to stockpile defenses after 9/11 in the wake of passionate Civil defense that we have no chance against them if they decided to start rounding people up like Nazi Germany.
So, to conclude this; there's no viable reason I can see why American civilians should be able to own guns.
Sorry for the long-winded wall of text. I tried to be as concise and clear-cut as possible but I honestly don't blame you in the least if you gave up reading it halfway through.
KaleAlternative3500 t1_jeejkfh wrote
Do you have any sources on meth use in RI? I know that there were a couple of big bust on dealers from out of state recently, but my understanding was that RI has been pretty insulated from meth compared to opioids.
I couldn't find any recent reports.
dollrussian t1_jeeolic wrote
Donât jinx us, dude come on.
dollrussian t1_jeeoqht wrote
And thereâs people who want to remove these laws????????????
glennjersey t1_jeethpy wrote
Imagine if the same burden were placed on the right to speak freely, or vote? You wouldn't be up in arms over it?
Wrong reply.
glennjersey t1_jeetrns wrote
If you corrected for suicides and gang violence there is minimal actual gun violence in America as a whole, certainly if the type everyone talks about.
Imaginary_Kangaroo80 t1_jef9vne wrote
Your point is?
glennjersey t1_jefnoyj wrote
I think that reply was meant for someone else. Sorry
glennjersey t1_jefo2bx wrote
Imagine if the same burden were placed on the right to speak freely, or vote? You wouldn't be up in arms over it?
Imaginary_Kangaroo80 t1_jefqkad wrote
Itâs okay I was just confused
Professional-Ask-630 t1_jegavgm wrote
honestly who cares about mob hits or drug-related shootings? The mobs not whacking regular good people, and as far as the petty drug-related shootings... thats its own bubble. The mob is pretty silent and clean these days but I will say it's very sad when you have low income areas so harshly affected by a couple of degenerates who want to fight over there small potatoes turf and subsequently otherwise innocent people get hurt. stray bullets and all that. The real problem in this country is these mass shooters who target defenseless children
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vodkanipples t1_jegvc0w wrote
 "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
dollrussian t1_jeh4cfq wrote
oh my god, shut UP. Our right to free speech is about to be taken away by the RESTRICT act anyways.
literally, shut up. kids are DYING and all youre doing is whining about guns because you have to just have your boom boom toy that you have no reason to own besides the false sense of security it gives you.
why i'm even bothering to respond to you, i dont know. have your hunting riffles, have your hand guns, but somethings gotta give.
BananaSandwichDuce2 t1_je5y7zn wrote
https://www.providencejournal.com/story/news/local/2021/05/13/providence-shooting-injures-multiple-people/5082896001/