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Rich1926 t1_j46mhvu wrote

I thought Manhattan is an area of New York City, not a city itself

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blitzwann t1_j46rnai wrote

Since when is Manhattan a fucking city?

Edit: after looking a little more into it, it seems that more places are not actual cities, the title should be more like "top 15 areas..." This makes me think the graph itself MIGHT also be bullshit.

Tl;dr: another clickbait reddit statistic that might be false, nothing new here.

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Ill-Mood3284 t1_j46ufiv wrote

HK, Macao, Singapore, Tokyo not on this? Skeptical.

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88224646BASTART t1_j46uz6n wrote

Kowloon Walled City was almost 50 times denser than Manila. 50,000 people in the footprint of about 25 average American single family home lots. The numbers just defy comprehension.

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Jackdaw99 t1_j46wy3d wrote

I've lived in Manhattan and visited Kathmandu, and there's no way the latter has greater density than the former. For one thing, there are few residential skyscrapers there.

In fact, looking this up, Manhattan's density is around 27,000 per square kilometer vs. Kathmandu's 20,000.

EDIT: Looking closer, I see that K’s population when I visited, in 1999, was one third what it is today, so they’re closer than I would have thought. But still not very close.

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88224646BASTART t1_j46xuxc wrote

Well it was a largely ungoverned district that was sort of under British control and sort of under Chinese control, but neither side wanted to exercise that control and it became largely lawless and unregulated. It doesn’t exist today because they tore it down. It was a hotbed of organized crime, as well as a public health and safety disaster. It’s not directly comparable to these other fully formed and governed municipalities. But it was a real place where people did indeed live in unimaginable density not seen anywhere else before or since.

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Dils-Noofus t1_j46ynq8 wrote

I’m questioning the validity of this. You’re telling me Paris is more densely packed than Mumbai or Delhi? Surely there should be Indian cities, Mexico City or Tokyo on the list.

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halrold t1_j46zm8h wrote

Seeing how a bunch of these are neighborhoods, I'm willing to bet OP doesn't know enough about other places such as HK to cherry pick the neighborhoods. HK's total density isn't very high because it includes the new territories, which is just a bunch of mountains really

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zjm555 t1_j470n3u wrote

The top 6 here are all the same metro area. IMO that should just be one entry rather than six. But it's always hard to compare cities due to weird boundaries and urban sprawl.

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mikevago t1_j471k9i wrote

They probably made the distinction because it's far denser than the other boroughs. Brooklyn, Queens, and the Bronx are mid-sized cities with downtowns and residential areas. Manhattan's a super-city with several downtowns, and almost no single-family homes.

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Jackdaw99 t1_j472c4v wrote

Google Is Your Friend. Central Park is 6% of Manhattan -- not really enough to make a notable difference in density. And yes, Kathmandu has a very large palace and grounds smack dab in the center.

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Labor_Zionist t1_j476znk wrote

בני ברק היא עיר לכל דבר, הדבר היחיד שיש לה במשותף עם תל אביב זה גבול. לגבי גבעתיים (גם מהצפופות בעולם אגב) או רמת גן אפשר לדון, כי הן אפקטיבית המשך של תל אביב, אבל בני ברק זה עולם אחר.

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Jackdaw99 t1_j477906 wrote

Can you explain? On the face of it, it seems obvious that building vertically simply creates more living space. If you have a 10,000 sqft block, building a 50 story tower will clearly provide more space than using it all for single-family homes, especially since people who live in apartments are generally used to less space than people who live in houses -- or even shacks.

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fatboyiv t1_j47afsw wrote

Filipino here,

There is a huge crisis with overpopulation in the Philippines (duh).

But what’s worse is the Catholic Church who pretty much runs the country is against birth control and condoms.

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AussieStig t1_j47azps wrote

The only thing more embarrassing than US defaultism is failing to realize that the left 6 on this list are from the same metro city of Manila in the Philippines, and that there are only 5 actual cities on this list that aren’t cities within a larger metro city.

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promethazoid t1_j47brat wrote

Kathmandu is pretty surprising tbh, due to lack of any skyscrapers.

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Labor_Zionist t1_j47cen6 wrote

A major part of the space in a city isn't dedicated to residential buildings, but to utilities- roads, parking schools, supermarkets etc etc. Roads is the most major issue with skyscrapers - streets in Manhattan are as wide as highways.

There is also the matter of space between buildings - Skyscrapers usually require some empty space around them, while smaller buildings can be built without any space between them at all (what we call in Israel "Train blocks").

Skyscrapers do allow to cramp more living space overall, yes, but they aren't that much more efficient. Manhattan is still one of the most densely populated places in the world, but cities like Bnei Brak with buildings 4 stories tall can still compete with it, if they house more people per apartment.

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Bohemian-Man t1_j47cw7w wrote

Thank God they selected those buildings that clearly enhance visual differences, and not 50 shades of 2 shades of gray like others.

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Ok_Elk_4333 t1_j47ehro wrote

אתה רוצה לדעת משהו מעניין? ירושלים היא ה:

  1. בירה
  2. העיר עם הכי הרבה תושבים
  3. השטח הכי גדול

ועדיין ת״א נחשב כ״עיר המרכזית״ של ישראל

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nim_opet t1_j47ep6t wrote

I mean…this mixes cities with counties/boroughs….

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Jackdaw99 t1_j47fdck wrote

Note, too, that they only use three or four skyscrapers as representations of the data, using them repeatedly, and not even at the same height. Data may be beautiful, but this is graphically terrible.

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Labor_Zionist t1_j47gy4q wrote

ירושלים חור. אחת הערים הכי עניות בישראל, לולא משרדי הממשלה שם והתמיכה מהמדינה היא הייתה גרועה בדיוק כמו בני ברק.

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Lwnmower t1_j47j9zg wrote

I had do a double take when I saw Vincennes. I knew it couldn’t have been the one in Indiana.

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roundhousemb t1_j47mzhy wrote

Paris is actually pretty small by area, especially compared to the other cities you listed. Paris is ~100 km² while Mumbai is ~600 km². Paris has a population ~2 mil and Mumbai has a population of about 12 mil so they're very close.

This chart is just weird because it doesn't define "city" and OP just ripped their data straight from the Wikipedia page "List of cities proper by population density" without any real thought or research about the topic. It does feel like a karma grab. But you also shouldn't say it's wrong just because other cities feel like they should be denser.

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YetiGuy t1_j47pog5 wrote

I am from Kathmandu and lived in NYC for a decade. I believe it.

Much of KTM population comes from people from other parts of the country. KTM is not just an administrative hub being a capital, but it’s the biggest city with the biggest airports and other conveniences not afforded in other part of the county (though there are many cities that have sprung up in recent years). During Dashamin, Nepali’s biggest festival, these residents go back to their home town and population of Kathmandu dips down in orders of magnitude

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StuartGotz t1_j47sg45 wrote

Yes, it's one of the 5 boroughs of New York City. I think they were just focusing on that borough because it puts it in a higher population density bracket when compared with the other boroughs, which are less dense.

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ajuicebar t1_j483aoi wrote

Manhattan daytime population density in their CBDs is well above 100,000 per square mile.

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Yah_Mule t1_j486l1f wrote

AKA places I would never want to live. Not that I hate people per se, but I do tend to hate a lot of them at once.

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ScumBunnyEx t1_j4883ux wrote

Bnei Brak is a city in the greater Tel Aviv metropolitan area that is home to mostly Ultra Orthodox Jews. Being that it's mostly a low income community there isn't too much vertical building (skyscrapers are more common to high income and business areas like Tel Aviv and Ramat Gan), but due to their typically high birth rate (in average over 6 kids per household) the population density there is still incredibly high as large families share small, cramped apartments.

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Fernsck t1_j488h1o wrote

Source: Wikipedia?

I love W, but this is the worst way to do this.

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peemamachine t1_j48ehw2 wrote

There is quite a bit of 'noise' in the chart eg...picture of buildings?. I need to find the most densely populated city at a quick glance.

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sreek4r t1_j48ib0e wrote

I don't buy this. Not one Indian city on the list? Have you seen our country? :P

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lokivpoki23 t1_j48m9pa wrote

You are correct. NYC is composed of five boroughs, Manhattan (New York County), Brooklyn (Kings County), Queens (Queens County), The Bronx (Bronx County), and Staten Island (Richmond County). Manhattan is the densest, Brooklyn is the most populated, Queens is the largest by land area, The Bronx is the only one connected to the mainland, and Staten Island is the most suburban feeling one. NYC municipal government is kind of weird, because the city is comprised of five counties. Most city services are citywide (police, fire, education, etc), but each borough elects its own DA and Borough President (from what I understand, as a life-long NYCer, this position doesn’t have a lot of power and is often a stepping stone to become mayor). The Mayor and City Council represent the whole city, not each borough individually.

All of that being said, when most people think of NYC, they think of Manhattan, which is the “core” of the city. This (not very beautiful) infographic seems to be cherry-picking individual parts of cities to compare, so that’s probably why they chose Manhattan.

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VictorChristian t1_j48nbv8 wrote

Manhattan is not a city. It’s not even the most populated borough of NYC. It’s not even physically the biggest boro of NYC.

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lokivpoki23 t1_j48nut0 wrote

That Wikipedia list is just so wrong. There are so many inconsistencies with how cities are defined across the world, and the authors seem to have incorrectly identified parts of cities as entire cities themselves (Manhattan being the obvious example to me).

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VictorChristian t1_j48oa2f wrote

Manhattan just gets the most press. 99% of the people not from NY have no clue how NYC works.

To give OP a little credit, of the five NYC boro’s, it IS the most densely populated but it’s dead wrong to consider Manhattan only when talking about NYC.

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lokivpoki23 t1_j48oh0e wrote

Manhattan is one of the five boroughs that comprises NYC. It is not a separate city, they are all part of the same one. See my comment below the parent one you were responding to.

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The_Bamba_Tinok t1_j48ukkg wrote

What you should also keep in mind is that Ultra Orthodox Jews cannot use elevators on Saturdays as that would contradict their strict Sabbath-observance laws, thus making building with over four stories unviable for this community.

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AugustCharisma t1_j48y6pf wrote

The problem with London is the residential areas are super dense but then you have government buildings, embassies etc taking up lots of space. What officially counts as “London” varies too depending on the context.

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lokivpoki23 t1_j49ksii wrote

No, you wouldn’t. Like I wrote in my other comment, NYC’s municipal government is weird. If you are writing a letter to Manhattan, you address it as New York, New York. For Brooklyn, same as with Staten Island or The Bronx, you say Brooklyn, New York. Queens is where it gets even weirder. AFAIK, there is no address with Queens, New York. If you’re writing a letter to someone in Flushing or Maspeth, Queens, you address it as Flushing, New York or Maspeth, New York.

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5kyl3r t1_j49lw6m wrote

ok well i don't care about stupid semantics. if the only addresses that are truly NY, NY are in manhattan, then i was right. and i heard this fact from my friend from brooklyn, which is why i even bothered to repeat it without looking it up

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lokivpoki23 t1_j49wwj1 wrote

I guess I didn’t explain it clearly enough, tbf it’s a weird concept to get your head around though. Here are some Wikipedia articles that might help you understand what I’m trying to say:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_New_York_City

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boroughs_of_New_York_City

>All five boroughs came into existence with the creation of modern New York City in 1898, when New York County (including The Bronx), Kings County, part of Queens County, and Richmond County were consolidated within one municipal government under a new city charter. All former municipalities within the newly consolidated city were eliminated.

>New York City was originally confined to Manhattan Island and the smaller surrounding islands that formed New York County. As the city grew northward, it began annexing areas on the mainland, absorbing territory from Westchester County into New York County in 1874 (West Bronx) and 1895 (East Bronx). During the 1898 consolidation, this territory was organized as the Borough of the Bronx, though still part of New York County. In 1914, Bronx County was split off from New York County so that each borough was then coterminous with a county.

>When the western part of Queens County was consolidated with New York City in 1898, that area became the Borough of Queens. In 1899, the remaining eastern section of Queens County was split off to form Nassau County on Long Island, thereafter making the borough and county of Queens coextensive with each other.

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Jewish_Kernel t1_j4anskl wrote

הנתון הזה נובע מהחברה החרדית וגם הערבית מסיבות ברורות, אבל זה פשוט אורח החיים במגזר הזה כפי שאפשר לראות כל הערים החרדיות נחשבות לעניות. אבל בתור עיר, ירושלים היא אחת הערים הכי מפותחות בישראל שמספקת את כל הצרכים האפשריים של תושביה. לקרוא לירושלים עיר ענייה על סמך נתון יבש כזה זה קצת להיות ראש קטן, ולא להסתכל על התמונה הגדולה. בתור אחד שגדל בלוד, לוד היא עיר הרבה יותר ענייה מירושלים. (ועדיין לא כזאת ענייה שלא טוב לחיות בה)

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Labor_Zionist t1_j4ao8we wrote

כי אנחנו מסבסדים אותה. לעיר יש בור תקציבי עצום שהמדינה מכסה כי היא הבירה, דמיין לעצמך אם היא הייתה נראית כמו עיר בעולם השלישי.

בפועל זאת עוד דרך שאנחנו מסבסדים את המגזר החרדי, אגב. זה לא רק תקציבי ישיבות, זה בכל מיני דברים.

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affictionitis t1_j4cgb97 wrote

You can, sure. It works just as well if you write Brooklyn, NY or New York, NY. The zip code is what matters most -- although a few of those are shared the boroughs and Manhattan.

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numstationscartoon t1_j4cj8n9 wrote

If you live in any of the 5 boroughs, you pay NYC taxes, the police are the NYPD, the sanitation service is NYC, the fire department is FDNY, all municipal concerns are New York City. Manhattan is one of 5 boroughs and btw not the largest or most populated. As the infographic states Manhattan is the most densely populated.

Fun fact: what’s the vertical centre of Manhattan? 125th street.

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u53rx t1_j4cn1mo wrote

well manhattan is the city …. everything else are the outter boroughs and also are part of nyc but in reality manhattan is what everyone refers to the city … I dont think nobody say oh lets go to the city and they go to flushing or staten island lol … source lived in bk my whole life

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Jasong222 t1_j4csy4c wrote

It's not the address that matters. It's the laws about jurisdiction, city limits, borders, etc. And those all day that NYC is the 5 boroughs.

There is no Brooklyn Police Department, if you live in Queens you pay NYC city tax, and so on.

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sweetclementine t1_j4d1s9p wrote

Manhattan hasn’t been the sole borough of NYC since the late 1800’s. The Bronx was annexed in 1870s, and Staten Island, Queens, and Brooklyn were consolidated into NYC in 1898. At the time, the City of Brooklyn was considered to be as thriving of a city as the City of New York and many people weren’t happy with the consolidation, calling it “The Great Mistake of ‘98”. But since then, New York City is comprised of 5 boroughs: Staten Island, Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, and the Bronx.

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sweetclementine t1_j4d2dgl wrote

Some townships and cities have municipalities that use different address systems for USPS. My parents live in a city called Mount Holly, but also a smaller township called Eastampton. So while they live in Mount Holly, their mail is addressed to Eastampton. You just need a little more understanding of government is all.

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jstax1178 t1_j4d6pn3 wrote

New York City is not just manhattan, it’s where the skyscraper are located but the city is made up of other boroughs, Bronx, queens, Brooklyn and Staten Island.

Before you preach baseless information learn that NYC is not Times Square dummy ! Not even the locals go there !

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camilofl20 t1_j4dgsgz wrote

It’s a bit more complicated. There’s both a political division, which is NYC containing all five boroughs, and the postal code, division.

Unfortunately, for mailing stuff even the people who live in the city refuse to stop putting Brooklyn or New York, NY as the mailing address. This is because each borough at some point in time used to be a city or multiple cities, in the case of Queens and Bronx, or “The Bronx.” These last two boroughs have multiple cities up to this days, which can be seen when mailing address to places like Jamaica and Riverdale in which you would write the address as Riverdale, NY or Jamaica, NY.

Pretty confusing, right?

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Pastatively t1_j4eedy6 wrote

You are completely wrong. NYC is composed of 5 boroughs. The NYPD and NYFD cover all 5 boroughs. The subway covers all 5 boroughs. You pay New York city taxes in all 5 boroughs. All of the streets signs are the same color in all 5 boroughs. The driving and parking laws are the same in all 5 boroughs and the city government covers all 5 boroughs.

In short, you are wrong just admit it.

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AnUglyUgly t1_j4g22f9 wrote

Live in Manhattan: nyc is Manhattan and cool parts of Brooklyn, hip-hop's history from the Bronx

 

Live in Brooklyn, Queens, Bronx: nyc is all three, plus Manhattan

 

Live in Staten Island: nyc is 5 boroughs

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YouandWhoseArmy t1_j4h98c6 wrote

So like the other dude you’re responding to, kinda helpful to know what you’re talking about.

People still colloquially write Brooklyn, NY because Brooklyn was its own city. New York, NY would be right for a Brooklyn address. Brooklyn has a lot more civic stuff because it was in competition with Manhattan. There is a lot of weird stuff cause if the original city status.

Conversely queens was never a city, just a loose amalgamation of towns/villages so many people still address the original towns.

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lokivpoki23 t1_j4hmf9s wrote

Funnily enough, I kind of do know what I’m talking about. I’ve only lived in Brooklyn my entire life (outside of the maybe 4 months after I was born, which were spent in Manhattan).

Yes, you can technically address Brooklyn-bound mail to New York, New York as long as the zip code is correct. I could even address an envelope to Fort Lauderdale, NY and as long as the zip code is a Brooklyn one it will get there.

But why make the USPS’s job harder? They tell us to address Brooklyn-bound mail to Brooklyn, NY, and we do. Brooklyn mail is already bad enough, no need to complicate it more.

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lokivpoki23 t1_j4ixlc2 wrote

Are you referring to why the addresses are the easy they are (because of the 1898 consolidation)? I knew that already. What I’m referring to is that it is improper to address an envelope to someone in Brooklyn using New York, New York. No one I’ve ever known does that, we all follow what the post office says to do, which is Brooklyn, New York.

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Plane-Bee-374 t1_j4jh3g4 wrote

Like every 10th thing correctly addressed and sent to my place - where I’ve been for 6-7 years - gets “returned to sender - no such address”. I think there’s one substitute postal worker who sees my apartment number and goes “3X… surely that’s fake”. (Not the real address but close).

For the most part I think postal workers are salt of the earth, - my granny was a letter carrier - but there’s also some real problems in the local PO.

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Pastatively t1_j4jj5vw wrote

I was waiting for someone to make this contrarian comment. The Staten Island Railway is part of the NYC transit system, you use a metrocard or Omni to ride it, it is the same exact type of train as the subway trains, and it’s included on the official NYC subway map.

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gaberockka t1_j4mcycn wrote

I'm a native New Yorker. I've lived here my entire life. I grew up in Manhattan, and I currently live in Brooklyn. You are wrong. You're friend is wrong. You are making a fool of yourself. That is all.

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_lechonk_kawali_ t1_j4tjq7h wrote

Has anyone ever pointed out that Pateros is a municipality—the only one within the Philippines' National Capital Region?

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