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svr34 t1_javigcm wrote

Classic Apple.

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656666_ t1_javkvt0 wrote

Yep, they stole that feature from android.

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Skeptic_Sinner t1_jaw1s1w wrote

I have an android and it can fast charge from any adapter/cable that is powerful enough , what are you talking about

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Comfortable0wn t1_jaymtcp wrote

So it's not every cable?

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Skeptic_Sinner t1_jazlxpg wrote

You cannot fast charge from something that is physically incapable of handling fast charging. The problem with apple is that other brands' cables can handle it but are apple isn't allowing them to work properly

How do you think this is a gotcha holy shit

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chewb t1_jawuesg wrote

And thousands others have VOOC, Dash/Dart/warp/supervooc charge compatible phones that don’t.

Commence the downvotes, android fanboys

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Skeptic_Sinner t1_jawzfn3 wrote

So it's not an android thing, it's a problem of some phones that use android. And since it's not a problem with the system you can't say that apple stole it from android.

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chewb t1_jaxrbf7 wrote

weird how apple stole capacitive touchscreens, high resolution displays, multiple cameras and pretty much everything from android but hey, have one bad feature available in hundreds thousands of phones that they copied and NOO, they're not really copying android this time, just a few models that have this feature, so definitely not all of android 🤣 weird how that works

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Skeptic_Sinner t1_jaxrq9m wrote

They are not copying android because android as an operating system allows fast charging from any source. Stop saying "android" as if it's a brand that makes phones or something.

The rest of your rant is just putting words in my mouth and not worth responding to. Just know that apple couldn have copied screens or cameras from android because android has no screens nor cameras

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speculatrix t1_javqm0s wrote

There's been substandard cables but a cable that functions to specification will work fine in every android phone that also meets the spec.

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chewb t1_jawtb75 wrote

Will supervooc and other phones also charge with the 65W of usb-c?

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speculatrix t1_jaxdpka wrote

I think that's one of the proprietary systems, I don't know whether their more recent products will support standard high speed charging.

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chewb t1_jaxqez2 wrote

so android doing it first then

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speculatrix t1_jazp1ju wrote

Once, there was no standard at all for high speed charging. These phones proved it was possible and that people would pay for it.

Apple are taking an existing well-established standard and making a proprietary version specifically so they can screw their customers by having expensive charging cables.

See the difference?

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chewb t1_jb06s95 wrote

iphones can charge with the usb-c standard up to 30W today, they use the PD standard of USB-c

These companies didn't use PD, they are using the usb-c cable and standard but not the USB Power Delivery standard. This might or might not be copied by apple.

My comment brought attention to the fact that if it's a feature present on just one model android phone, apple is copying them but if it's a bad feature, it's not copying android, just a few bad apples, which is a double standard

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speculatrix t1_jb08qqb wrote

But iPhones use lightning cables, with a chip, to lock them into Apple or authorised products

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656666_ t1_jaw2qw1 wrote

Some android phones need specific cables, otherwise their quick charge won’t work.

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LeapIntoInaction t1_jaw6cwe wrote

Right. You have to use decent cables, not the minimal-level older designs. This is not some kind of vendor lock-in. You can use any cable that supports modern standards.

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[deleted] t1_jaxox07 wrote

No. Stuff like SuperVOOC or WARP charge has nothing to do with cable quality. It's simply a proprietary standard lock-in, and you can tell by the fact that the other side of the Type-C cable is an old USB-A.

Use the best Type-C you can find and you still won't have access to it.

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yuxulu t1_jawnlus wrote

If you are talking about some of the insane charging speeds by chinese phones, i think it is because they deliver 120w which is higher than other charger/cables.

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656666_ t1_jazniae wrote

That’s what i was referring to.

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yuxulu t1_jazpqdl wrote

The thing is no other chargers deliver 120w. If one comes along from another brand, I'm fairly sure it would still work. However, iPhone charger is only 20w (based on apple https://support.apple.com/en-sg/guide/iphone/iph8c1e31583/ios) and they are going to restrict to 5w if not using their charger? What excuses do they have for that?

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656666_ t1_jb0wjae wrote

The article is just a guess and would be just the case for the iPhone 15. we don’t know yet what specs it might have. You can just assume that it will be still just 20w.

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Snakeeyes1991 t1_javjo9q wrote

One law towards universal cables and companies already found a way to bypass it.

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synthdrunk t1_javkexf wrote

EU shouldn’t be afraid to go after them for spirit of the law.

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dillydilly69 t1_jayqok9 wrote

Lmfao you seriously think governments should be making laws about phone chargers? Don't they have better things to do?

How about just don't buy the product if you don't like it?

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Party_Cold_4159 t1_jazmdo3 wrote

Yeah!! I want my junk drawer of 30 different proprietary Sony chargers back!!!

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AlanBall74 t1_javjv0z wrote

Standard apple shite, locking you to their (overly priced) peripherals, best move I ever made 7 years ago was ditching all Apple products! If you gave me one tomorrow I'd sell it the next day!

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rifjcn t1_jawnylm wrote

You don’t need to use Apple branded cables. Any mfi certified cable will work. They’re a dime a dozen on Amazon.

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Churoflip t1_jbgvlz0 wrote

Dude why can't the rest of the applefanbois think like you? It's a damn sleazy/greedy ass company f em

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Substantial_Boiler t1_javppb7 wrote

Some Android phones also do this by the way

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speculatrix t1_javqxdn wrote

It's usually because the cable, phone or charger are not designed or made correctly

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Substantial_Boiler t1_javrzqz wrote

No, it's because makers like OnePlus force users to buy only their proprietary chargers and cables to have access to their advanced fast charging features

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madmanjoe420 t1_javtnrp wrote

I get full warp charge speed on my OnePlus using generic usb-c. As long as the block and cord are rated to handle 65w or more

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obamaprism3 t1_jawmogq wrote

I have a oneplus 8T and you are misinformed

my USB-C laptop charger and cable can also "warp charge" my phone

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Sassquatch0 t1_jaw9mrd wrote

No - OnePlus gives you a bonus if you use their charger. But they don't penalize you for using someone else's.

It's like this: buy the OnePlus charger, and you get 200% charging speed! SuperVook ftw.

Buy any other charger, you get 100% of it's charging speed.

Apple is going: buy our charger, you get 100%. Use any other charger, you suffer with 60% speed.

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Substantial_Boiler t1_jawczvu wrote

That's literally the same thing as what Apple is doing... it's not a bonus, it's breaking compatibility maliciously.

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yuxulu t1_jawo3xr wrote

If that compatibility breaking gives me 120w charging, 100% within 30 min, why not. Not so much when it gives me 20w max though, and cap non-apple charger to like 5-10w.

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HuggLyfe t1_javnvdt wrote

But how can you stand to be outside of their "ecosystem"!? 🙄

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AlanBall74 t1_javo13u wrote

Quite easily, I love going off grid, and I don't like big brother watching over me, that's why I deleted all social media 🥸😜

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T-Nan t1_jay4nh3 wrote

Bros on reddit saying this shit

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FuckedYourSandwich t1_javorjg wrote

> I don’t like big brother watching over me

Personally, I think you’re a coward. Take me for example. I invite big brother to monitor everything I do because listening to endless conversations about which one of my wife’s co-workers did something stupid today or what activities my kids have to go to has definitely caused some of those big brother types to at least rage quit, if not commit suicide. Your life is just as boring as mine (sorry - delusions of grandeur aside, we both know it’s true) and yet you’re not doing anything to weaponize your mundanity.

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crimsonblueku t1_jawopff wrote

This isn’t anything new. USB C cables need to be rated and certified for power draw and data transfer. Do you think a $10 USB C cable from Amazon could fast charge any phone or offer TB3 speeds? Heck no.

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quadrangle3136 t1_jb2h06j wrote

Yes, easily. The standards already exist - this is simply apple being apple.

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TheCh0rt t1_jayq2uz wrote

No, however if they gimp the general high quality USBC cable in favor of their cables, it’s obvious it’s gimped because iPhone power draw really isn’t that great against a 100w standard.

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Pristine-Today4611 t1_jb006eq wrote

Exactly this is already implemented with charging cables today. Even with an Apple cord today has to be MFI-certified to get the full capability of charging.

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TheSporkBomber t1_jbev9rl wrote

The funny thing is my daily driver cables are 2 for $10 anker cables that do 60W charging just fine. The 100W cables are 2 for $15 on Amazon.

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crimsonblueku t1_jbex3f7 wrote

But they don’t do high speed data and fast charging.

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TheSporkBomber t1_jbf1t7h wrote

>Do you think a $10 USB C cable from Amazon could fast charge any phone or offer TB3 speeds?

Then:

>But they don’t do high speed data and fast charging.

Ah, so it's high speed AND charging now. Moving goal posts?

My S22U does super fast charging just fine on the cheap anker cables. Super fast charging is 25W; the better test is that I use them for my laptops which are 65W minimum. 3.2 Gen 2 cables are around $15 and can get 10gpbs which is both high power and high speed data. The state of the industry has gotten much better than it was a few years ago.

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frontiermanprotozoa t1_jbu4gld wrote

IF ONLY there was a way for cables and devices to indicate whats their maximum power delivery capability.

IF ONLY there was a standard thats backward compatible from 20 gbps to 1,5mbps data transfer speeds.

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Blinx-182 t1_jaxzfsb wrote

I guess we all forgot that a few years ago USB-C cables were hit or miss to the point where a Google engineer had to make a spreadsheet ranking them.

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0000GKP t1_javppat wrote

I’ve used nothing but third party cables to charge my iPhones for the past 15 years. Every one of them has had the Apple certification. Every one I buy in the future will also have it. Every well known brand name has it.

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yoranpower t1_jaw1bo2 wrote

But they won't need the apple certification anymore. That's the hole thing. Got an android charger? Great! Charges your IPhone now as well. If it's slower, then it's Apple to blame.

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yuxulu t1_jawo9qm wrote

That is because lightning cable is proprietary and require apple certification. Not so much with your usbc though.

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MadOrange64 t1_jazqv60 wrote

It won't be sn issue after one year but now you have to change all your current USB-C if you're getting an iphone 15 to comply with all future Apple devices.

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D3ADSONGS t1_javkt3c wrote

I can't wait to get the Apple Cable Pro and get Apple Care for that too

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GreyJedi56 t1_javllvu wrote

Apple fine, we can all have one connector but no fast charging except with ours.

Your elitism and need to have an iPhone make this possible. Break free stop supporting their terrible practices.

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[deleted] t1_jaxq06i wrote

They make great products, so the answer will be: no.

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JustUseTheWordMmmkay t1_javitzy wrote

I’m interested to know what fast charging is here. Anything over 5w like the ones we had for ages? Also want to know if Apple will cap the speeds if using the £100+ cables they already sell.

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[deleted] t1_jaxpo63 wrote

Put the crack pipe down.

  • Apple doesn't sell, never has sold, 100€ cables. They cost ⅕th of that price.

  • Made For iPhone certified cables can be so cheap even Amazon Basics sells them.

Criticize all you want but don't make up stuff for easy karma.

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JustUseTheWordMmmkay t1_jaxyuei wrote

So what is this then? Last time I checked £129 > £100 therefore £100+.

https://store.apple.com/uk/xc/product/MN713ZM/A

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[deleted] t1_jay24g7 wrote

That's a Thunderbolt 4 cable 🤦🏻‍♂️

Quality Thunderbolt cables are all expensive dude. These are not smartphone cables made for charging and passing family photos, these are workstation cables.

Go look at OWC, CalDigit prices for the same lengths. Hell, Plugable still sells Thunderbolt 3 cables for 60€, and that's a generation old.

You are looking for this: Apple Type-C Cable, £19

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JustUseTheWordMmmkay t1_jazlxl3 wrote

Yeah I know all of that. I know they are expensive, I know they aren’t for most users, I know thunderbolt 3 cables are still expensive and not needed for most people.

But… like I said, Apple sell £100+ cables and I’m wondering if cables like that will be restricted to slower charging.

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wander9077 t1_jaybjaa wrote

Ok but it will still support cables with the base layer USB-C charging standard at the usual USB C rate the article goes on to say. So if you want to pay more for an even faster apple cable you can, or just go with the likely fast enough USB C standard rate.

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silverbolt2000 t1_jazcfh7 wrote

As reported on this very sub multiple times already.

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EngineeringNext7237 t1_jaypq9d wrote

Oh no. I’ll have to pay like $6 more for a cable to do ultra fast charging. Oh wait you already have to do that with most usbc cables for any sort of good PD numbers.

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lmea14 t1_jaz30x0 wrote

“Checkmate, bureaucrats!”

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iceleel t1_jb0k70i wrote

How else are they gonna sell chargers they removed from box?

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petepro t1_jb3728j wrote

This is karma farming at this point, this is the third post of the same rumor.

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Curious-Collar-5052 t1_jb90zvg wrote

That sounds concerning. I hope that Apple finds a way to make sure fast charging capability remains possible across third-party cables.

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it_administrator01 t1_jba2gjv wrote

So just like how my 2020 iPad Pro sometimes wont recognise my $20 Anker USB C cable until I reboot the iPad and the Apple store effectively told me to go fuck myself using slightly kinder words?

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WeRAliens t1_javszxk wrote

Why do people still buy Apple. The only Apple I bought was a ipod and I knew right away I'll never buy Apple again.

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EngineeringNext7237 t1_jaypa7a wrote

Because we don’t live in a weird Reddit echo chamber that makes everything they do seem like the end of the world. It’s like asking why people prefer bmw to Honda.

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adamcoe t1_jawzsh5 wrote

Standard idiot tax for using their overpriced garbage

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[deleted] t1_jaxs999 wrote

Imagine looking down on other people for using a different object than you use.

Brings me back to my early teenage years, when I was taking part to console wars. Sadly for your cerebral development now we are adults.

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adamcoe t1_jazio99 wrote

Sorry to hear that you were not only taken in by a war about video games, but also haven't learned basic grammar.

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[deleted] t1_jazwosu wrote

Says the guy who can only speak English and some middle school-level Spanish.

Wanna switch the conversation to Italian? French? Portuguese? I can do that, I don't know about you though...

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VTPeWPeW247 t1_jb01l9b wrote

I can speak multiple languages and I hate IPhones. BOOM! Seriously though, if you’re gonna chastise someone for judging people on there phone choice, don’t judge them for something else with your next breath, capiche?

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Fijian96 t1_jaw6c4o wrote

Isn't Samsung, who's been using USB since the inception of their mobile phones, doing the same thing? I'm pretty sure you need a Samsung cable or dock to access fast charging. Not saying the practice is good, but I don't think Apple is the first to do this.

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yuxulu t1_jawogsh wrote

Nope. Using samsung a51, my macbook usb-c charger fast charges just fine.

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