Submitted by JCquitt t3_yrvz9v in newhampshire
Would this be better for the state, citizens, and economy overall?
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Noctuema t1_ivx2dll wrote
This. I wanted to say something about how legalizing pot and making millions off regulating the industry while people rot in jail for selling on the street is unspeakably evil. I don’t do any recreational drugs and never have been a user, but I wholeheartedly support legalization- if it comes with justice for the non-violent “offenders” that formed the demand and client base in the first place.
Alantsu t1_ivz17t0 wrote
The only reason it hasn’t been legalized is they can’t pay state employees legally to sell it until it’s legalized federally. This was made abundantly clear last year. So NH will never legalize it recreational until it’s legalized federally OR if a loophole is put in the alleged upcoming federal marijuana banking reform.
Edit: if if they do legalize it I’m still not paying $380 an oz when I can get it for $140 from Maine.
Mynewadventures t1_ivz4bxy wrote
Horse shit. The State doesn't have to be in the pot business at all...just like it doesn't need to be in the liquor business.
Liquor would still be legal if we had privately owned liquor stores.
There is ZERO reason to not legalize so people could grow, harvest and sell privately except for MONEY. money for the State and those in power.
Alantsu t1_ivz5p5w wrote
Total horse shit. I agree.
yo_mama_5000 t1_ivwk1fv wrote
Our state does not have a ton of revenue streams. So I think the state selling most of the weed, like liquor, would be good.
Now send me hate.
FloozyFoot t1_ivwy0hj wrote
This makes the most sense. We are wasting time and money by not implementing this, and instead putting the revenue burden on home owners.
DegenGolfer t1_ivw68jb wrote
If it means cheaper weed then the rest of the states I’m all in. I’m pretty libertarian (I DO NOT ASSOCIATE WITH THE NH LIBERTARIAN PARTY FUCK THOSE ASSHOLES) but I love the NH liquor stores
Accomplished-Cod5176 t1_ivwufyd wrote
It's likely not to happen in this state for at least another 4 years minimum. Sununu won't allow it happen in NH. Not being political but its a fact that he's against it in general.. No big deal for me. I just take a spin up to Berwick or Eliot
livefreethendie t1_ivza5ar wrote
It is completely unethical and immoral for the state to threaten citizens with fines or arrest just so they can be the ones who profit from that same business later
Wormhammer420 t1_ivxow6p wrote
I work in the cannabis business in Maine.
It’s more then just selling it, it’s growing it, extracting it, making edibles, testing them, packaging them and securely getting them to the store.
The NH liquor model sells booz they don’t produce any of it. That’s a huge flaw in this plan. Who will produce these products?
LaserRedstang t1_ivxybkg wrote
Very good point.
crescentkitty t1_ivy2gk6 wrote
Just a general question because I lived in Oregon where MJ is legal and moved back to NH recently. Are all MJ sales places in Maine medical only? When I go to Kittery it all seems that you need a card. Is it legal in Maine? Only asking because I take CBD for anxiety but would like a little more THC content in it.
Wormhammer420 t1_ivy3uoa wrote
Yeah it’s both medical and recreational.
Try Weedmaps the app. Very helpful to find spots. Recreational stores only need an ID and to be 21 plus. Any state ID will work or passport
LacksConviction t1_ivyl9f6 wrote
Go to East Coast Cannabis in Eliot
VenserSojo t1_ivxx2a1 wrote
That's where the federal law gets in the way, if federally legal the state could buy from wholesale distributors that would inevitably pop up.
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BigMax t1_ivxupmw wrote
It’s a flaw, but can’t they legalize all the business that make up the weed production pipeline but then just keep the final step of sales for the state only?
For example, in Mass, the growth, testing, and sales, are all split legally, so any company can only ever do one. NH could do the same, plenty of folks would line up to grow and test, even if it was only the state who could do retail.
VenserSojo t1_ivxxd8c wrote
>It’s a flaw, but can’t they legalize all the business that make up the weed production pipeline but then just keep the final step of sales for the state only?
That is an option depending on the specifics but might not be the most practical, also the state would still have issues selling the way it wants until the feds give up on the war on drugs, so at the earliest that won't happen until 2024 to be used as a carrot for an election.
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Hoops867 t1_ivz170s wrote
Once it's legalized federally, weed is free to cross borders. They can just order it from California or Missouri or wherever.
It will decimate local producers in states that can't easily grow it outdoors aside from small craft growers that puts out a product people want to pay a premium for. You just can't compete with the price.
The edibles manufacturers might be okay, but concentrate producers might struggle if the local growers collapse for not being able to compete with the price in a federal market.
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NEED_TP_ASAP t1_ivytwfs wrote
NH doesn't have sales tax and a single tax rate for businesses so if we want to truly take advantage of the money generated by legalization it should be sold by the state in my opinion. I would rather wait and have it sold in the state stores and have more revenue for schools, roads, and social programs.
That said, with all of our neighbors legalizing it I see no reason why they couldn't make it legal to use recreationally with a stipulation in the law to revisit the sale and growing question when it becomes legal federally.
woolsocksandsandals t1_ivvwuje wrote
It’s a bad move. The state shouldn’t be a drug dealer. Shouldn’t sell booze either. Putting that aside state control of the cannabis market takes away a big opportunity to create profitable locally owned small businesses that would keep dollars spent on cannabis in the local economy. State control will likely only open the door to a small number of big businesses and will only serve to accumulate more money in the hands of the investment class.
itsalwaysteatimee t1_ivwcy2a wrote
In lieu of sales and income tax, the state needs other ways to make money. Property taxes, yearly car registrations, alcohol sales, etc. Either the state runs the dispensaries or you add sales tax at the register which, imo, they just won’t do. I’m in favor of sales tax at the register to make it local business friendly, but you need to do one or the other. We need a revenue from the profits. NH would become one of the poorest states around if they didn’t maximize their earnings here.
It will be important how the state handles their inventory, but we as the citizens need to make sure to voice our support for investing in local farmers. Both can be done, it just needs to be done correctly. This will become future talking points for governors / state politicians in the future 🔮
Consistent-Winter-67 t1_ivww85w wrote
Just mark it as a narcotics or as some places call it, a sin tax. A modest 8.5%, which is drastically lower than all other states.
woolsocksandsandals t1_ivy91k7 wrote
My preference would be that it just be deregulated and it’s sale treated as any other cultivated crop but I acknowledge there needs to be some amount of regulatory framework around cannabis. So I think speaking practically a tax on sales and a fee for a retail license or cultivation of like six plants or more that pays for the office that issues the licenses and a commercial cultivation facility inspector to protect consumers from bad growing practices is kinda a necessity. Some amount of tax revenue to the state would also be a benefit.
Selling cannabis and liquor and using the threat of punishment to stop others from doing it is awfully authoritarian. The state shouldn’t be a vice cartel.
Smirkly t1_ivw0wt2 wrote
In a way, who cares. Pot is as available as milk in the store. Try competing with the grey market. Just let me grow my own and I won't bother anybody. Leave me alone and let me grow.
Cayslayy t1_ivwa1qj wrote
Preach
the_overrated t1_ivweea4 wrote
If they can't get their shit together to sell it in stores, it'd be great if they could at least accommodate us with a license to grow our own at home.
Make it 21+ to get the license, and limit it to like up to 6 plants, and just make free money from people buying licenses.
scoaaaaar t1_ivwg0gq wrote
We almost had legalization in form of possession and home grow but the senate absolutely killed that. I personally blame the senate. The house has had the majority to override a Sununu veto, the senate has a lot of the prohibitionists that still see cannabis as very harmful.
FloozyFoot t1_ivwy4jx wrote
We need to get the boomers out of government. They don't even realize we're in a new century.
heeyyyyooo t1_ivxnd2q wrote
The ‘me’ generation wreaked havoc on this country and now blames every other generation for it. It’s time for them to move on…
[deleted] t1_iw3vp21 wrote
We're moving on one way or another.
Clock's ticking
Itsaburner777 t1_ivyjg71 wrote
You probably voted for the woman who vetoed this the first time.
Able_Cunngham603 t1_iw0fprb wrote
Is this Doug Shoe’s burner account?
Doug_Shoe t1_iw2ajqn wrote
Are you still making bombs at your house? Do you still offer to teach homemade bomb making? Like molotov cocktails and stuff? Your bomb making flyer from a year ago-
https://www.reddit.com/r/bigfoot/comments/q7cp85/bigfoot_combat_expert_now_offering_self_defense/
I was wondering- Do you still make homemade bombs? Do you have any bombs or explosives at your house right now?
Able_Cunngham603 t1_iws371z wrote
Oh, I forgot to mention… the ATF stopped by the other day.
They said you are a colossal idiot and should definitely win the Dunning-Kruger award! 🏆
Doug_Shoe t1_iws3g01 wrote
Which agent said that? What was his or her name?
Itsaburner777 t1_iw0g5ot wrote
No it’s your momma’s , stalker.
Doug_Shoe t1_iw2abgd wrote
I don't know who that is, but it's not me.
You are so obsessed with me that you see Doug Shoes everywhere.
Does bigfoot look like Doug Shoe now as well?
I'm the Boogeyman
hahahahahahahahaha
rAsTa-PaStA1 t1_ivxw71s wrote
Sununu Family has a War against Cannabis - period
rAsTa-PaStA1 t1_ivy3hp6 wrote
I’m being downvoted- why? It’s the truth. You can voice your opinion but you can’t change the truth
Edelmaniac t1_ivxwt8c wrote
Hassan was against it too.
VenserSojo t1_ivxxwlg wrote
Pappas is too based on his vote, I'm unaware of any higher echelon politicians actually in support of it from NH.
Itsaburner777 t1_ivyj18g wrote
You do know Maggy vetoed this bill when she had her chance right?
She is the reason we do not already have Pot decriminalized.
Sununu has had jack shit to do with this so far.
MartoufCarter t1_ivylec0 wrote
It is decriminalized for small amounts. Not legal but just a ticket.
rAsTa-PaStA1 t1_ivyo71s wrote
Haha, what’s that do for my oz of kind?
smartest_kobold t1_ivvyhbc wrote
Grow your own or bust.
Able_Cunngham603 t1_ivw1p0j wrote
NH citizens and the General Court would prefer not to wait. The only person who feels this way is Governor “Crybaby McFishsticks” Sununu.
Unfortunately we are stuck with him at least another two years… maybe more if the best competition we can come up with is a flatlander Doctor from Connecticut.
Itsaburner777 t1_ivyjr0c wrote
Are you new to NH politics or did you forget that Maggy Hassan literally vetoed this bill down and is THE REASON we haven’t decriminalized?
Go on with your misplaced hatred of a man who’s had no play on this so far.
Able_Cunngham603 t1_ivyndse wrote
Are YOU new to NH politics or are you just not very smart? Marijuana is decriminalized in NH and Sununu has until very recently sworn to veto any legalization bill. He also vetoed a bill to allow medical users to grow at home.
Itsaburner777 t1_ivzpis1 wrote
Wow, you got me there we clearly have the same rules as Massachusetts don’t we? Shut the fuck up.
Able_Cunngham603 t1_iw00v4e wrote
I was going to ask if you are high … but you are way too angry to be stoned. However you have answered my question (it is the latter) - so thanks for that!
Itsaburner777 t1_iw0ei8w wrote
You must be right , you are the “scientist” 💩
AntOptimal8781 t1_iw07v61 wrote
>Crybaby McFishsticks
WTF? Is this some boomer insult?
Able_Cunngham603 t1_iw0af42 wrote
No, people say that was his nickname in school. He hated fishsticks so much that he would have a hissy fit whenever the school cafeteria served them.
(That’s what I have heard anyway, and I trust my sources.)
AntOptimal8781 t1_iw0mpfr wrote
Never heard that, interesting
Beachi206 t1_ivxt2kf wrote
Until the feds legalize it and NH can process credit card transactions for it like it does at liquor stores, marijuana will not be legalized in the Mississippi of New England
Darwinbc t1_ivy5jap wrote
Alabama North
Cullen7777 t1_ivxtivw wrote
Massassappa, Bub
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VenserSojo t1_ivxwtc4 wrote
It would be better for the state in a funding sense, as for the citizens and economy well that depends on a number of factors ultimately it would be mixed with some pros/cons but the state isn't going to do anything until the feds back off.
skullpizza t1_ivy34en wrote
Doesn't NH typically operate with a budget surplus every year?
Icy-Conclusion-3500 t1_ivyrj1n wrote
Budget surplus / deficit doesn’t matter really. An additional revenue stream would mean they could either lower other taxes, or get more infrastructure work done.
skullpizza t1_ivyx3kn wrote
After you said it, it seems obvious that this makes sense. Thanks
[deleted] t1_iw3wezs wrote
Increasing infrastructure also means increasing more-or-less permanent spend on maintaining said infrastructure.
I'm definitely all for expanding infrastructure, but people tend to think pretty basically when it comes to economic planning.
There are several examples of projects being done with no thought of maintenance.
For example, it seems like every state is always scrambling to find money when a bridge needs repairing.
Icy-Conclusion-3500 t1_iw3xoqu wrote
More infrastructure work ≠ more infrastructure. It could be used for maintenance that isn’t on the docket yet, or like you say, an emergency fund.
Ryekir t1_ivvwct4 wrote
Absolutely would be good for the economy. All that money now is going to MA and ME.
telulah8 t1_ivw2d6y wrote
And will continue to do so since there are med/rec and hybrid storefronts. I’d be interested to see how they put it in a nh state liquor store considering they don’t even sell beer there. They are 2 extremely different things but the tax incentive is nice
heartofdankne55 t1_ivvwm01 wrote
I feel this will be worse overall for all of those categories. NH's state grown cannabis is generally inferior to neighboring states so I believe the sales would be low in stores and if the state continues to ban home growing then it is bad for it's citizens as well.
telulah8 t1_ivw1zkv wrote
People will just continue to cross borders for it unless there’s a genuine incentive
GirthBrooks__12 t1_ivxjg33 wrote
The vast majority of inventory at most dispensaries is not cultivated by the dispensary themselves. So, the state of NH would probably never actually grow pot, they would just sell products from cultivators.
Also, the self-grown products at dispensaries are rarely any cheaper than the inventory which originates elsewhere. So I don't think price will be much of a concern. This is especially true when you consider that NH would be one of the largest wholesale pot buyers in the region if they actually opened 5-10 locations.
PebblyJackGlasscock t1_ivvxokq wrote
NH’s liquor stores are state socialism. The state controls who sells the product and for how much.
The tax revenue NH is giving to neighbor states could be used to lower property taxes. But the State and Sununu don’t want free markets or lower taxes.
It’s dumb policy that contradicts everything Sununu lies about believing in.
Infinite-Trader t1_ivvznnd wrote
Well he is a liar
Mynewadventures t1_ivw0ht3 wrote
That sounds like communism or fascism; the State owning industry. Not socialism.
Something being illegal should not have tax income strings attached. Is it "wrong"? If it is a "wrong" and illegal. If not "wrong" don"t make / keep it illegal because you haven't figured out how to maximize profit. That is definitely wrong.
PebblyJackGlasscock t1_ivw8kja wrote
It sounds like you should look up socialism, communism, and fascism in the dictionary.
MisterBowTies t1_ivwh2i6 wrote
NH liquor store employee here. Selling out at the stores would be a TERRIBLE idea. We have no staff as is. I would quit in the spot if they tried to sell it and I'm not alone.
dashrendarrr t1_ivwkcg0 wrote
I don’t think that’s what the point is. Selling it like the liquor model - not just throwing some Frankencake on the shelf next to the Whistlepig
MisterBowTies t1_ivwknjd wrote
Other commenters were mentioning it. I don't smoke or know anything about pot but I am pro legalization... but if frankencake is the equivalent to whistlepig it is very overpriced for what you get.
askingforafriend419 t1_ivzrjz0 wrote
Liquor is not cannabis and the education needed for a safe program will not be accomplished through State run sales.
MisterBowTies t1_ivzxn6v wrote
Exactly. I know a bit about whiskey and liquor, which is part of why I work there. I know NOTHING about weed.
Dubbsss14 t1_ivxgsx9 wrote
It’s a no brainer. Look at the money these other states are bringing in from it.
howie_doin t1_ivw1ez8 wrote
I think they want a state monopoly, but screwed up and let corporations in with medical. Now they’re trying to figure out how they can recoup in the long run. They know it’s what the people want. Instead, they hide behind the veil of the same old moral high ground. “think about the kids”, “we need more studies”, “its a gateway drug”. It’s really all about money, and how they can get theirs. Live free or die tho!
itsalwaysteatimee t1_ivw9q76 wrote
We need the state to sell it. It’s the only way the state will see the revenue it needs to get from it.
That being said, f the feds. Just do it. I doubt the feds would ever do anything if the state just went ahead, made it legal, and began selling it.
You can also make it legal without the sale. At the very minimum, this should be done and then wait until it’s federally legal to open up the state stores. Saying no to legalizing because of the opioid crisis is not a good reason imo
askingforafriend419 t1_ivzsnh7 wrote
The state run store model is full of logistical and legal challenges. Why would NH reinvent the distribution and retail wheel on a product that they are under uneducated and underfunded to manage? This was someone's poor attempt at control.
tonysambo t1_ivxouso wrote
I just go MA or VT or ME or RI or NY or any other state surrounding NH lol
JunkMilesDavis t1_ivyp244 wrote
That's pretty much all that needs to be said at this point. We're surrounded by others who made it happen without the world catching on fire, and money that could be spent in the state is leaving every day we drag it out.
tonysambo t1_ix1pg12 wrote
So true
HPlusGuns t1_ivxoz5x wrote
The state liquor commission wants to run it because they're corrupt asshats. Until they get a plan to pocket all the money for the State, like they do liquor, they won't give the go ahead for any law enforcement lobbyists to support it. So Sununu and most of the Senate won't do it until their LEO lobbyists give them the nod. The whole thing is bullshit. The liquor commission has too much power. Why were they enforcing COVID policy in 2020 by threatening business owners liquor licenses? What does crowd size have to do with liquor laws? And yet, here we are.
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NewHampshireAngle t1_ivxw2t2 wrote
The NH senate is a gerontocracy, I wouldn’t expect much progress, nor will law enforcement want to go without the tremendous leverage and golden goose eggs the illegality of weed confers.
Zaius1968 t1_ivwk40v wrote
Legal is legal! Although they will tax the crap out of it like on MA. But at least you know what you are getting.
urgeybergy t1_ivwx7ii wrote
New Hampshire’s whole deal is no tax… They don’t tax alcohol and that’s why everyone crosses borders to buy here. I couldn’t imagine them being so dumb as to not structure weed the same way.
Zaius1968 t1_ivy1jp2 wrote
That’s even better. I like regulated markets because I know what I’m getting and can dial up or down accordingly.
darkblastoise603 t1_ivxtei1 wrote
With the people we revoted I unfortunately do not see it happening anytime soon here..
OccasionallyImmortal t1_ivzfzz5 wrote
The state shouldn't be operating a business. Legalize it and let the free market provide the product. The only involvement the state should have is in assuring there is recourse in the case of fraud.
golfgrandslam t1_iw0nvst wrote
They run the liquor stores pretty well.
OccasionallyImmortal t1_iw0sjc9 wrote
Compared to PA, NH's stores are so much better: big well-stocked and reasonably priced. Regardless of how well they run it, they shouldn't. It steals opportunity for others and eliminates an entire industry in the state. While they run it well, there are other stores that are better in other states (e.g. Total Wine) The state should be making opportunities for people, not removing them.
adam5isalive t1_iw07xky wrote
The market could sort that out too. Word would get around pretty fast.
No-Masterpiece-7577 t1_ivw2l2f wrote
If they go with that model, and I fully expect them to, I also expect them to hand over the only cultivation licenses to big corporate places which will be bad for the NH cannabis market/consumers. I’m from NH but live in Maine and work in the cannabis industry here, all the corporate MSO (multi state operators) companies grow complete trash. The medical model in NH already sucks and tons of patients travel to Maine to purchase anyway.
If they want to reap the tax benefits, it’d be smarter for them long term to give out more licenses for retail and cultivation and let the market work itself out, imo.
howie_doin t1_ivw396g wrote
100% the locals who fought their whole life will lose to deep pockets and “campaign donations”.
shervbert t1_ivwgckj wrote
As a NH patient who travels to Maine, I wish New Hampshire would replicate their medical program here. And we wouldn’t push for a rec program. We should push for full decriminalization, and allow for a robust and illustrious medical program pioneered by New Hampshire citizens to create a small business minded industry. I fear though, it is only a matter of time the massive Wall Street investors and corporations will come knocking when/if rec happens. It’s pretty sad.
warren_stupidity t1_ivw3kiq wrote
I hear this exclusively from people trying to rationalize their support for republicans despite the fact that their party opposes legalization. It’s nonsense. Grocery store beer has an ‘excise tax’. Just set up, oh I don’t know, a state pot stamp that every retail operation has to purchase for every kilogram of pot or pot equivalent (gummies etc) sold. There are always ways to get things done if you actually want to do them.
- the original federal pot laws prosecuted people for failure to purchase marijuana tax stamps.
Logical-Banana-4832 t1_ivycffq wrote
I wish they would just hurry up
NHfordamnsure t1_ivyfw6k wrote
Until we have some form of direct democracy and are able to vote on these issues we will not be represented.
Nestormahkno19d t1_ivze5mz wrote
That’s exactly what they’re doing
KRSkrngl t1_ivwn76g wrote
Legalization
ReporterOther2179 t1_ivyhsdm wrote
It would be good for a user to be able to buy a tested and reliable product from a trusted source, like every other product on every other market.
queenofthedogpark t1_ivyl736 wrote
I agree with you
JCquitt OP t1_ivyu3vr wrote
I didn’t make a statement lol
rippeeeep t1_ivyz8az wrote
when you put it like that i also agree
FantasyThrowaway321 t1_ivywcz0 wrote
Good point, I agree
UnderratedLegends t1_ivytrro wrote
Marijuana must be legalized
Rixtertech t1_ivw1xio wrote
This is a non-starter, not only because marijuana is so well-known to affect liquor sales but also because to legalize for recreational purposes you'd have to work past the strident objections of the REAL beneficiaries of prohibition: Police and their unions padded with cash who jump right into the issue whenever repeal comes up, drug-testing companies who are making money hand over fist, and the interests of employers who for whatever reason really think they are doing the right thing by trying to refuse employ to marijuana users. The courts, probation and parole, and prison system all benefit from prohibition in one way or another, mainly by fees, fines and keeping prisons and jails full to assure the receipt of federal funds. Oh, and lets not forget one of the biggest lobbyists of all; the liquor industry itself, and especially the beer producers. Anheiser-Busch was famous for this meddling back when they owned Budweiser, I'm not sure what InBev is up to now that they are the owner.
It'll happen at the last possible moment. None of the "Middle of the Road" Democrat governors we've had have seemed any more interested in reform than Sununu is, when you get right down to it.
TheCancerManCan t1_ivxoeki wrote
It'll happen just as soon as all the boomer politicians die out of office.
Rixtertech t1_iw0ye3t wrote
Oh, don't get so optimistic over our demise, youngster... I've noticed there's a nasty crop of Young Repugnicans and christofascists blooming like Poison Ivy and Hogweed all around us.
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RisksRewardsRelics t1_ivwrhzg wrote
The problem is that federally insured financial institutions can’t knowingly accept deposits from a federally-prohibited sale. The state can’t do anything with the money they make. Dispensaries now either use uninsured cannabis-friendly banks, or deal exclusively in cash.
Beldonian_416 t1_ivyrf7x wrote
Every year they try to get it on the floor of the house but the governor wont even let it be discussed
Consistent_Drink5975 t1_ivz9l6u wrote
100% Yes only the state would sell it and it can't because Federal law. There is no interest on them allowing people to profit from private sales. ATF soon to be ATFM
Ok_Nobody4967 t1_ivzx67l wrote
We have an idiot governor and gops who don’t want it.
Troutflash t1_iw53940 wrote
Not true, friend. Democratic State Reps of a certain age are strongly against it, “gateway” bullshit and all. New Futures, a centrist lobbying group leaning Dem organizes against legalization.
There was a bill that would legalize without a tax last legislative year. Sponsored mostly by Republicans.
Bill as amended: https://trackbill.com/bill/new-hampshire-house-bill-1598-legalizing-the-possession-and-use-of-cannabis/2178463/
Was killed in the Senate.
isantos88 t1_iw05wc8 wrote
We don’t want zombies in our state go to mass for that.
AntOptimal8781 t1_iw07mpz wrote
Implying nobody in NH smokes weed HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
BannedMyName t1_iw08kyd wrote
Or Maine... Or Vermont... Or Canada.......
newbraces81 t1_ivw0xl4 wrote
just spitballing here
With no sales tax in NH, I feel that the state runs the liquor stores and keeps the profit instead of taxing the product. I don't know where that revenue goes through
Same with cannabis, the state wants to sell and profit off that as well.
one idea is they could do something similar to the meals and rooms tax
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telulah8 t1_ivw1gkf wrote
I think it’s a good idea until you factor in how cannabis is a medicine and not just rec. Unless they’d only sell rec on top of allowing other distributors idk. (Medical cards make it cheaper too)
telulah8 t1_ivw1q83 wrote
Grouping alcohol and cannabis together feels wrong
ThunderBea t1_ivxaitn wrote
I live in Canada where both are a public product and controlled by each province.
JCquitt OP t1_ivy4i9n wrote
And your thoughts?
ThunderBea t1_iw8vt1k wrote
It can be frustratingly slow to bring in certain products. For weed the required safety packaging was too much at first but they finally figured it out. There are three weed shops in a one block radius from my house. More weed shops than coffee shops in my capital city!
Icy-Conclusion-3500 t1_ivyram7 wrote
Why would that require waiting?
NEED_TP_ASAP t1_ivysxk4 wrote
Because it is still illegal federally. If they passed a law to sell it in liquor stores the state would be making an employee break federal law.
Icy-Conclusion-3500 t1_ivyte3m wrote
Ah yeah that makes sense
pfroyjr t1_ivzs03e wrote
Should be that all the power resides at the state level with federal only taking care of the border, national defense and interstate roads that belong to the fed. Sununu thinks weed is the gateway to heroin and is very against legalizing. The thought at the state level is to sell and regulate like alcohol where the state is "in business" of sales and taxes from those sales.
Given the federal law the state can't go into the pot business and so is even more against it, despite the options to make millions in state revenue like our neighbors. Free market means nothing here in relation to pot. It's just sad that "live free or die" is only applicable when the state profits, and otherwise your freedoms should be limited in their eyes.
Remarkable_Culture97 t1_iw0ddc1 wrote
Or heavily regulated so they get their cut.
PowPowPowerCrystal t1_ivw4mdz wrote
A bill for exactly that came up this year. I can’t recall if it died in committee or the full house.
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icedcornholio t1_ivwbkd7 wrote
There were plans to sell at state liquor stores but I think it died
rahnster_wright t1_ivwg0ce wrote
I assume it will be back this legislative session. There is some thinking that they can't sell at state liquor stores until it is legal at the federal level, so who knows?
icedcornholio t1_ivwjhvv wrote
No idea. It’s like do we really need 17,000 old people in the house who can live off $100 to determine the future of our state? Apparently, yes.
askingforafriend419 t1_ivzrzeq wrote
That bill will not be back next session. It was an embarrassment in short sightedness and ability to execute. The public hearing had the sponsor walking away with his tail between his legs.
rahnster_wright t1_iw09udq wrote
There are still a number of people excited about tiny houses and there is a new batch of weirdos in Concord. I would be shocked if a tiny house bill didn't make an appearance.
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01Zaphod t1_iw0iw7u wrote
Just a question for the group on this thread…not once has anyone here brought up the issue of operating (driving) under the influence. The seems to be no standard of detection for OUI with cannabis, which seems to be a common problem for other states with legalization. Has this particular problem been solved? Does law enforcement have standardized testing if they suspect someone is OUI? Is the legal framework in place to handle this? I’m not posing these questions as an aggressive act against legalizing marijuana - it’s because I’m genuinely curious. We have a good system in place for testing blood alcohol level in the field and at a police station, but I don’t believe there is anything available for cannabis. I could be wrong and I hope someone points the answer out to me.
All I hear is “it needs to be legalized, and legalized NOW!”. OK - fine. But what then? How to regulate? How to tax? How to enforce law infractions? There’s a lot of work ahead, and all of that is going to take time.
Steevsie92 t1_iw2tqok wrote
Basically, the answer is no, it hasn’t been figured out. Different states have different ways of dealing with it, but the reality is more research needs to be done to figure out how to distinguish impairment from relatively recent use. There’s a difference when it comes to cannabis, but most tests are basically pass fail, and you can fail even if you haven’t consumed in days. So rather than it being too easy for people to get off, I would say it’s too easy to falsely incriminate someone. This shouldn’t be a barrier to legalization though. I think most proponents of legalization would say it’s better to stop waisting time and money, and stop putting people in jail (in places where that still happens) for it while we figure that out.
If we had decades of data and clear examples of cannabis impairment directly resulting in accidents like we do with alcohol, there might be an argument for waiting. But really we have the opposite of that. There are parts of the country where this has been legal medically for 25 years, and it’s been legal for adult use for nearly a decade in others now and there’s no statistically significant correlation to an increase in accidents.
> All I hear is “it needs to be legalized, and legalized NOW!”. OK - fine. But what then? How to regulate? How to tax? How to enforce law infractions? There’s a lot of work ahead, and all of that is going to take time.
Sure, but it’s 2022 and there has been plenty of time to sort that out. At this point the foot dragging is intentional. As recently as the last few years Jean Shaheen has said she needs to see more research as she fears it could be a gateway drug. That’s just fear mongering using the same exact, long debunked misinformation they used in the 80s. That’s in insult to our collective intelligence.
01Zaphod t1_iw2wdhf wrote
I’m not a user, due to the fact I green out after a few hits. I just can’t do the stuff, and I get ill just being around the smoke. That said, I likewise find it very insulting to our collective intelligence about it being a gateway drug.
Thanks for the clear and candid response! It’s refreshing having a rational discussion like this.
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widget_fucker t1_ivxprpu wrote
Its corrupt and unethical as shit.
Not long ago the state sent people to prison for possession of small quantities. Now they will be growing, possessing, and distributing it. F that
AmazingThinkCricket t1_ivxzntn wrote
did you know alcohol also used to be illegal
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widget_fucker t1_iw0bj0i wrote
90 years ago…Whats your point? State run booze is also a wanker move.
Tell me why the state should be in either business and not other businesses?
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Hoops867 t1_ivz2gxt wrote
So it's making the state money, but businesses in the market are being strangled by being over taxed and over regulated. Businesses in California and Canada are going under because of that.
Azr431 t1_ivz4r9t wrote
It's a completely new market with gray areas and pipeline variances, churn is to be expected. And while some businesses might fail, others are flourishing. Smells like capitalism to me, no?
FWIW, it looked like the comment I replied to was referring to tax revenue, not business revenue, but my link still applies either way since they're inextricably linked.
Hoops867 t1_ivzdyk1 wrote
I think they were saying it shouldn't be seen as a cash cow, but they did pretty bad at formulating their thought.
It shouldn't be seen as a source of endless money they can just tax more. For more detail on what I said before, California backed off the taxes earlier this year.
https://calmatters.org/politics/2022/07/california-cannabis-tax/
And here is some more info on how cannabis is struggling in California. https://calmatters.org/politics/2022/01/california-cannabis-newsom/
Prices are being driven down, which is good for consumers. On the other end, they tax growers before its harvested and if the crop fails, they already paid taxes on it and have nothing to sell. It's just not a healthy market.
You see the same thing in other states as the market matures. Canada is similar.
Azr431 t1_ivzkzm4 wrote
I don’t think anyone is advocating for it becoming an unreasonable tax revenue stream. I see no issues with regulating and taxing cannabis like alcohol.
Hoops867 t1_ivznw97 wrote
Yeah, if it's regulated and taxed like alcohol, great all around. Almost every state is looking at it as a cash cow initially that they can and do tax the hell out of and that's bad for the industry in long term.
Even better if it's handled like alcohol in places that can sell it and home production and everything else as well.
In Oregon, beer is taxed less than a penny per beer. Cannabis is taxed 17% by the state and towns can tax it up to an additional 3%.
Azr431 t1_ivzz72x wrote
I’d imagine alcohol regulations already on the books contributes to the biggest differences. The two products are also inherently different in their supply chains and distribution.
This is kinda getting into the weeds. The fact that NH is the only state in the northeast that still bans recreational cannabis despite overwhelming popular support shows there’s something wrong with leadership in Concord.
Hoops867 t1_iw05oyp wrote
I agree. Although it's not just concord. Leadership just doesn't listen to the people everywhere for different things depending on what their financial interests are.
turtles_allthewaydow t1_ivz4b84 wrote
It is strange, we only hear about all the money the state’s leaving on the table. Maybe it would be nice to not lock people in cages over a plant?
kmkmrod t1_ivwibdo wrote
I’d rather see liquor available in grocery stores than pot available in liquor stores.
PoorInCT t1_ivw3h7l wrote
It should be delayed until there is a reliable way to detect a driver who is high. Or maybe users should get an endorsement on their license.
You can't give somebody harsh penalties unless you can tell that they are DWI. And these harsh penalties are the only things that keep people from driving in an impaired state and killing/maming/disabling others.
Cayslayy t1_ivw98rs wrote
People drive drunk constantly. Literally constantly. It’s insane.
Also… everyone is already smoking pot. They don’t cause too many accidents that I’m aware of (please correct me if you have stats). Besides a blood test there’s also zero way to know if you are or aren’t, unlike alcohol.
I get where you’re coming from but it’s never gonna be that way.
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Cayslayy t1_ivxnl8f wrote
“Conclusions: Three years after recreational marijuana legalization, changes in motor vehicle crash fatality rates for Washington and Colorado were not statistically different from those in similar states without recreational marijuana legalization. Future studies over a longer time remain warranted.”
PoorInCT t1_ivzkqdy wrote
You need to test reading comprehension. But if you are using now let me help you through this.
Accident rates soared 7 percent, death 2.3% after medical use was approved. Retail sales did not significantly increase the rates after the soar.
Theres nothing wrong with use, but use+driving needs enforcement to keep people safe. Enforcement is ineffective at the moment.
Go ahead, enjoy. but stay the fuck off the road.
Cayslayy t1_ivzs64s wrote
I mean, thanks for being a cunt about it.
plemur t1_ivwzujp wrote
Not only do I like the idea, I like the idea of having the prisoners grow it. Let's max the revenue, keep the costs down, and sell it cheap.
Mynewadventures t1_ivvzx6p wrote
It boils down to an even more nefarious intent: Our rulers are still keeping pot ILLEGAL until they can figure out how to MAKE THE MOST MONEY FROM IT, not only for the government, but for THEMSELVES
Something illegal should be WRONG, not illegal because money can't be capitalized.
We are nothing but open wallets to our rulers.