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MistakenLabotomy t1_iz16yic wrote

Both parties have claimed fraud. Dems in 2016 and Republicans in 2020. If either party loses an election its fraud. One person got caught so we know it is in fact happening but to what extent. Both parties are guilty of it so now what?

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asuds t1_iz17a0g wrote

Dems claimed outside interference, not fraud. Along with the continued evidence of selective voter suppression of minorities of course.

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MistakenLabotomy t1_iz1amqb wrote

So they claimed outside interference that was.........not real. Also that would be passing fraudulent votes through the system which is fraud. I fuckin hate Trump and tolerate Biden. Maybe these instances of fraudulent voting would be lower if we had any candidates with any kind of coherent platform that will stick to their word and work for the people of this country and not the lobbyists that are filling their pockets with bribes.

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asuds t1_iz1br7r wrote

Outside interference was real per every US intelligence agency, but you do you…

And it was misinformation campaigns and illegal campaign financing. Both of which are not “passing fraudulent votes.”.

Sound like you need to educate yourself on what happened as well as US elections in general.

But the real “crime” in all of this is the voter suppression of minorities including Native Americans by making it very challenging to successfully vote. eg ling lines, not accepting proofs of residency, one polling location for massive land areas, etc.

Why we don’t have at least a one day federal holiday for elections is total nonsense.

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SheeEttin t1_iz1es7x wrote

No holiday. People still have to work on holidays, like emergency services. Just make it vote by mail already.

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lMickNastyl t1_iz1chso wrote

Can't have a federal holiday for voting because then all the poor's will vote to take the money I made from them.

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Lester_Diamond23 t1_iz1bt0y wrote

But the outside influence was real? And no one ever claimed fraudulent votes were being passed through the system in 2016....

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MistakenLabotomy t1_iz1e3wi wrote

I distinctly remember Queen Dem Hillary saying the election was fraudulent and would not stop til Trump was out of office. When Biden won 2020 Republicans were on about the Dems fraudulent votes. Pay attention with your brain not your feelings.

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Lester_Diamond23 t1_iz1vdhj wrote

You got a source or link for that, or we j6st going based off your memory?

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MistakenLabotomy t1_iz1yn68 wrote

I'm sure you can find the clips in your own search. Im not doing the work for you. Just like a socialist, you want everyone else to do the work for you.

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Lester_Diamond23 t1_iz1zkna wrote

BAHAHAHAHAHA

So what you are saying is, you are unable to provide any proof behind your claim. Good to know that everyone can just ignore what you post moving forward lmao

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MistakenLabotomy t1_iz20t49 wrote

What I'm saying is the proof is everywhere. U/zakpentakas has a couple vids up. Do your homework and stop believing everything that wokeness tells you. Fuck Trump Fuck Biden and Fuck everyone that supports either of them.

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Lester_Diamond23 t1_iz217cw wrote

Wait...what? You realize he posted different time stamps of the same video right? And not a couple different videos. Like at all. So I have to assume you didn't actually watch them if you don't realize that.

In which case, you are pointing a video that you did not 3ven watch as proof of something? Really? And I'm the one that n3eds to do my homework? And wtf is wokeness 🤣

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MistakenLabotomy t1_iz22lbk wrote

I watched and listened in real time. I watched and followed each election. I Do remember all the stuff I stated. Why do you feel the need to pick on someone you don't know. I just stated both sides of the aisle are corrupt and you got offended for some reason. Stay gold #78.

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Lester_Diamond23 t1_iz2331j wrote

So again, absolutely zero to add to the discussion. Cool lol. You should probably just cut your losses and stop responding now tbh

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MistakenLabotomy t1_iz23gd0 wrote

Why are you offended? Is there an answer?

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Lester_Diamond23 t1_iz23uns wrote

I'm not offended about anything. Im just trying to combat misinformation or educate myself on something I may have had wrong or didn't know. If you were able to provide a legitimate source for what you are saying, I'd be learning something today. But since you can't, I'm looking to make sure no one else in my state reads what you wrote and let's misinformation influence them

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MistakenLabotomy t1_iz28mg5 wrote

If you can educate yourself about how much you're supposed to hate republicans, try and educate yourself on how shitty democrats are too. How about all politicians and their shittiness. Power breeds corruption and greed.

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Lester_Diamond23 t1_iz29f6a wrote

I dont hate Republicans though? In fact, I voted for Sununu. And I'm WELL aware of how shitty the vast majority of Dems are as well. Reason I didn't vote for Biden, Hillary, or Hassan. Not that I voted for their wacko opponents IMO, but I sure as shit weren't voting for them either.

How about you maybe stop making these baseless statements and blind assumptions? If there is any evidence of blind adherence to one party or another its that preposterous video you didn't watch and tried to cite as evidence. So maybe take your own advice as well?

Told you to cut your losses and just stop, yet you keep digging a deeper hole and making a larger and larger fool of yourself smh

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AMC4x4 OP t1_iz1oeuk wrote

She can say whatever she wants. It doesn't matter since she conceded the day after the election. Protests are different than an insurrection and continued allegations of massive election fraud.

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golfgrandslam t1_iz1libo wrote

I think your feelings are informing your memory. Human memory is demonstrably unreliable. You'll have to do better than "I distinctly remember".

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LordMongrove t1_iz1s6ti wrote

She said he was illegitimate because of voter suppression, voter purging, hacking and fake stories. She also conceded.

Do you have a reference of her claiming fraud?

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MistakenLabotomy t1_iz1zh6r wrote

All that stuff you just listed adds up to fraudulent voting. Citing the specific name of the fraudulent act doesn't make it not fraudulence.

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LordMongrove t1_iz29u3x wrote

Actually, none of that is fraudulent voting.

I asked for a reference. I assume you don't have one? Your distinct memories are failing up perhaps.

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MistakenLabotomy t1_iz2ep8d wrote

And you are a pedo sympathizer. I don't want to talk to you.

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LordMongrove t1_iz4vhru wrote

If that is your takeaway from my post history then your username definitely checks out.

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bookon t1_iz1nm9c wrote

It was 100% real. Why do you think Trump pardoned so many members of his campaign? They were convicted of crimes related to Russia.

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Lester_Diamond23 t1_iz1bnx1 wrote

What fraud did the Dems claim from the 2016 election? I remember no such thing, only that Russia influenced it via s9cial media. Do you think that's the same as fraud?

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MistakenLabotomy t1_iz1zuwj wrote

Yes that is fraud perpetrated by the russians influencing fraudulent votes.

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Lester_Diamond23 t1_iz20s94 wrote

Wait, what? So you are saying the Russians DOD perpetrate fraud during the 2016 election? How so? And if that's what you are saying now, what is the overall point you are even trying to make? Is there one?

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ZacPetkanas t1_iz1derz wrote

> What fraud did the Dems claim from the 2016 election?

"Russia hacked our election"

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AMC4x4 OP t1_iz1dw8e wrote

Kinda tough to say Russia didn't influence our election in 2016 when one candidate's own "former" campaign manager was giving polling data to the GRU in-person.

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ZacPetkanas t1_iz1eiko wrote

> Kinda tough to say Russia didn't influence our election in 2016 when one candidate's own "former" campaign manager was giving polling data to the GRU in-person.

Did they "hack" our election? Hillary made claims that Russia was hacking voter rolls. Y'all got any proof?

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dojijosu t1_iz1gdmo wrote

The hairs the Orange Man has caused you to split… “That wasn’t technically insurrection.” “You call that a truck bomb? It barely exploded at all!” “Russia didn’t technically hack anything…”

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AMC4x4 OP t1_iz1m1xb wrote

Not to mention if this had been on the other side? I mean, can you imagine if Biden's "former" campaign manager who had JUST "resigned" was caught meeting with Chinese government-linked officials and giving them polling data for Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona? These people are just something. They're losing their shit over the Biden campaign (NOT government officials at the time, just so we're clear) asking Twitter to remove Hunter Biden's dick pics. I mean, come on now.

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dojijosu t1_iz1qnlc wrote

Right? They’d be on their AM radio shows that sell peenee pills and cash for gold scams talking about watering the tree of liberty.

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ZacPetkanas t1_iz1gxtt wrote

> The hairs the Orange Man has caused you to split… “That wasn’t technically insurrection.” “You call that a truck bomb? It barely exploded at all!” “Russia didn’t technically hack anything…”

Ah, I see. taking out some Facebook ads is "hacking." Got it.

Hillary is in that video alleging that "Russia" actually hacked voter rolls. Am I splitting hairs in quoting her?

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dojijosu t1_iz1ix5q wrote

Yeah… you should read slower.

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ZacPetkanas t1_iz1kbxj wrote

> Yeah… you should read slower.

Upthread asked for evidence of Democrats claiming fraud in 2016. I provided such evidence. That's the long and short of it. You brought up "Orange Man," etc.

¡Chao!

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dojijosu t1_iz1kh0p wrote

It’s “Ciao,” but you’re no stranger to being wrong.

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ZacPetkanas t1_iz1kxb2 wrote

/u/dojijosu ignorantly wrote:

> It’s “Ciao,” but you’re no stranger to being wrong.

¡Chao!

Ooof.

(the inverted exclamation point should have been a clue for you)

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dojijosu t1_iz1qf1j wrote

Spanish minor. Traveled in Spain and Latin America. No one ever spells it that way.

¡Ciao! pendejo.

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ZacPetkanas t1_iz1vkhe wrote

/u/dojijosu doubled-down on their ignorance and wrote:

> Spanish minor. Traveled in Spain and Latin America. No one ever spells it that way

Even when presented with the fact that it is spelled C-H-A-O in Latin America you still think you're correct. You are a lefty, for sure.

> nO oNe EvEr SpElLs It ThAt WaY.

Expect Except for, I dunno, the people who live there.

> Desde que empezaron a abrirse las grietas en AP, un segmento del electorado que no votó por Lenín Moreno lo animó a decir “chao”.

> "¡Fora Dilma, chao Dilma!", se oía desde las ventanas de los edificios en el rico barrio de Jardins,

> “Chao Rosita, chao Rosita”, gritaron tres de los pequeños antes de subirse al vehículo.

> “Chao mi amor, mañana la espero en la parada para traerla”.

edit: fixed typo. Muchísimas gracias, /u/dojijosu

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dojijosu t1_iz1y6w4 wrote

  • “except” for

But do go on with your nuanced analysis.

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ZacPetkanas t1_iz2ax0u wrote

> “except” for > But do go on with your nuanced analysis.

Oh, so you're both ignorant and don't understand sardonic remarks. No problem, I have something just for you

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dojijosu t1_iz2b1fj wrote

Mistaking the words “expect” and “except” is not sardonic. It’s moronic.

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ZacPetkanas t1_iz2bar0 wrote

> Mistaking the words “expect” and “except” is not sardonic. It’s moronic.

Oh, a typo! I'm mortally wounded

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dojijosu t1_iz2bfwp wrote

Oh, so now it’s a typo and not highbrow comedy?

¡Que chistoso!

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ZacPetkanas t1_iz2c824 wrote

> Oh, so now it’s a typo and not highbrow comedy?

Uh yeah? It was a typo made while making a sardonic statement.

Still going to stand by the Italian spelling of "chao" in Spanish or no?

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Lester_Diamond23 t1_iz1w0yc wrote

No, you didn't. Please provide an alternative source or corroboration if you are so confident

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ZacPetkanas t1_iz1we28 wrote

> No, you didn't. Please provide an alternative source or corroboration if you are so confident

Yes, I did.

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Lester_Diamond23 t1_iz1wykg wrote

See my last response....no you didn't. Unless you are willing to concede Trump's a racist from the Charlottesville very fine people clip?

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bookon t1_iz1nexq wrote

Did she send a mob to prevent Joe Biden from certifying the results in January of 2017? No? Then not the same.

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ZacPetkanas t1_iz1ob1n wrote

> Did she send a mob to prevent Joe Biden from certifying the results in January of 2017? No? Then not the same.

That wasn't the question.

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bookon t1_iz1oroq wrote

Stop both siding this. Russia used disinformation and helped get trump elected. She’s an old lady. Not a tech guru.

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ZacPetkanas t1_iz1ptf7 wrote

> Stop both siding this. Russia used disinformation and helped get trump elected. She’s an old lady. Not a tech guru.

Proof was provided of many, many Democrats and media figures making election fraud claims. That's what was asked for.

Russia bought some Facebook ads.

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bookon t1_iz1qivp wrote

Ok did Hillary concede? Yes. Did Trump? No. Hillary complained and Trump tried to end the republic so it’s not the same. You need it to be so your guys don’t see as extreme. You can’t admit you support people who would end democracy if they could.

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ZacPetkanas t1_iz1vwgq wrote

> You need it to be so your guys don’t see as extreme. You can’t admit you support people who would end democracy if they could.

Once again, I answered the question that was asked. "Did democrats claim fraud in the 2016 election?" Yes, they did.

Everything past that is an argument you're having in your head. You don't need me to participate in this, because you're arguing with things I haven't said. This is all you.

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bookon t1_iz4shu0 wrote

I never said that some didn't. I said it was a false equivalency.

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Lester_Diamond23 t1_iz1vw47 wrote

You provided a nonesense YouTube with voice over. You provided no proof of anything

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ZacPetkanas t1_iz1wc7p wrote

> You provided a nonesense YouTube with voice over. You provided no proof of anything

Why are you lying? Yes there are some voiceovers in the video but there are plenty of clips of people speaking in their own voices.

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Lester_Diamond23 t1_iz1x1vx wrote

Highly edited jump cuts with no context means nothing. Show something objective smh

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bookon t1_iz4seuh wrote

Hillary Conceded. This week Trump called for termination of the constitution and his installment of president.

Again, I am not sure why you guys need this false equivalency, other than to lie to yourself that you're not supporting bad people.

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Lester_Diamond23 t1_iz1vsxx wrote

Can you point out this claim?

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ZacPetkanas t1_iz1w7ax wrote

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Lester_Diamond23 t1_iz1wpsf wrote

There is zero context to this highly edited 7 second clip, do you have the full interview or any other context around it? Or are you just looking to cherry pick 6 word sentences and claim they mean something?

I'm happy to admit I'm wrong, you just heed to come up with something better than that garbage. Like if I post a quick clip of the "very fine people on both sides" clip from Trump and Charlottesville, it sounds like he is calling the tiki asshole racists very fine people when he is I'm fact not. Is it fair to do that? No. So why do it here with this clip?

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dojijosu t1_iz1zj7j wrote

Lester, save your breath with Zac. He heard someone do rhetoric once and thought “Huh. That seems easy. You just keep stringing words together.”

Ciao, Zac.

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Lester_Diamond23 t1_iz1vqyz wrote

Wait, you really think that video constitutes some sort of proof? Fucking yikes lmao

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SomeCalcium t1_iz1ai8u wrote

What is this perpetual needs to both sides the issue? Republicans tried to overthrow the government two years ago. Democrats pointed out that Russians interfered with our election. Those are two vastly different thing in both scale and severity.

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TheTowerBard t1_iz1lfdy wrote

You can’t possibly be serious. “Both sides” huh? You’re going to “both sides” this issue with everything that right-wing has been up to? You’re going to “both sides” the idea of stealing elections after Jan 6? Complete and utter ignorance. My lord.

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