Submitted by Obvious_Ad9670 t3_zz7jp4 in newjersey
Facebook marketplace is filled with brand new teslas that people bought for nj tax break and then they just resell, stealing our taxpaying money.
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Obvious_Ad9670 OP t1_j29xlbc wrote
They need to be triple taxed.
aden_feifdom t1_j2dknlo wrote
i agree with where your heart is, but many people need heavy duty trucks to make a living and we are just as humble and working class as anyone else
Longtermthrowaway5 t1_j2faan9 wrote
The point is how are those people making their living? Are there other ways to do so? We can't continue to live the way we have been and need to encourage people to live with fewer emissions. Changing the way we live includes changing the way we earn our money. They may be just as working class, but are they are as environmentally friendly?
polchickenpotpie t1_j2dg72y wrote
Let's just add those massive oversized SUVs like Yukon XL's to this pile, too. They're a straight up hazard in parking lots
doddyoldtinyhands t1_j2aqxj1 wrote
I’d rather have millionaires, billionaires, and corporations pay their taxes. Particularly that guy with golf courses and failed casinos.
brandnewfashion t1_j2ce2u6 wrote
100000000%
We probably wouldn't even be talking about this if they paid the taxes they should be owing. A credit for an electric car is only a fraction of the money that could be generated from the taxes of one wealthy person
HeyItsPanda69 t1_j2afomp wrote
The used electric car is also not taxed. Do you mean the $4000 EV grant? Be pissed at resellers ALWAYS but I don't see trying to get efficient vehicles into the hands of more people as a bad thing.
prayersforrain t1_j29yir9 wrote
Electric cars aren’t taxed in a lot of places. It’s not specific to here. I don’t mind it. It serves as an incentive for people to move towards electric.
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onlyletters999 t1_j2b4pxp wrote
If you buy an EV in NJ there is no state tax on it. They are not talking about the Federal tax credits
Longtermthrowaway5 t1_j2a9ykt wrote
Ehhh it still serves the purpose of making electric cars more attractive. I take it these are sold for less than retail, not more, correct? It serves the function of making them cheaper for consumers. But lol, I'd never buy Tesla used. Well i wouldn't buy one at all, but especially not used and the way you are so connected to Tesla services.
verifiedkyle t1_j2b48gd wrote
Used Teslas were selling for more than ten percent more than new because of long waits for new cars at one point. It was pretty wild.
Longtermthrowaway5 t1_j2b4mra wrote
I can see that, I based my assumption on the idea that supply isn't THAT constrained and demand can relatively easily be persuaded to go with an another electric vehicle,, but I do realize Teslas are much different than the average. In this regard.
Supernatural0311 t1_j2a0dre wrote
Not at all. Investing money into making the Garden state a little greener should be the least of your worries. Very small drop in the bucket.
If you’re concerned about taxpayer money getting stolen, there’s easily thousands of issues you could/should be worried about.
Obvious_Ad9670 OP t1_j2a31zz wrote
There is no incentive for electric bikes. Instead we get fire department fear mongering about batteries.
ThrowthatLook t1_j2a5p0z wrote
I mean, that's exactly what it is - fear mongering. So maybe don't do that, ya?
As for electric bikes, go fight for that (or even non electric bikes) also. Those aren't mutually exclusive with Teslas.
Supernatural0311 t1_j2a9tb9 wrote
Exactly. If people are willing to complain on the internet, instead of doing something positive; you are part of the problem, not the solution.
Turn your anger/frustration against people that are in power and holding us all back.
PirateForward8827 t1_j2a0ola wrote
The resellers are not stealing taxpayers money, they are following the laws and regulations that our politicians put in place. If you don't like the laws and regulations our elected representatives enact, then vote for someone else.
Slowlookleanroll t1_j2afgvk wrote
I’m more pissed that my motorcycle registration is $65/year. More than my SUV.
Dirtydiscodeeds t1_j2amfd8 wrote
That's just ludicrous
remarkability t1_j2bct6e wrote
Our current vehicle tax system is too simplistic. In order to provide incentives for public goods, it needs to encourage:
- lower vehicle weight (less road damage, less fatal crashes),
- lower tailpipe emissions per mile (lower public health costs, better air quality, and of course long term environmental benefits)
- lower amounts of tire/brake particulates (lower local water/ground/air pollution)
- smaller physical footprint per actual occupancy (lowers infrastructure cost, improves visibility of other road users)
- quieter tire/engine noise (better for people who live/work nearby, and people who are biking/walking)
- I’m probably forgetting more things
Gas tax really only addresses one of these, and arguably not enough compared to the damage done by local combustion.
And title/registration fees don’t really scale well with the added road damage (scales with the fourth power of the axle weight)
I’m not going to even get into the perverse tax and emissions incentives which made SUVs/pickup trucks proliferate, legally called “non passenger automobiles” because the way regulators saw it, the only people who would use them would be farmers and light hauling businesses. The production push towards them has created an arms race which obliterated a decade of safety gains.
EVs in the outer suburbs are a net good on the emissions location front, especially with NJ’s energy mix, but still should be responsible for those other things.
rossg876 t1_j2chrsz wrote
Buy an ev then? Report them for tax fraud?
polchickenpotpie t1_j2dgjmt wrote
The government is stealing my money every paycheck, not some random guy who got a few thousand bucks in a tax break. Which, if they bought a Tesla, is money they've already paid in taxes from working.
Maybe direct your anger at the politicians and upper class who weasel their way out of paying the amount of taxes they should be paying
Longtermthrowaway5 t1_j2fau53 wrote
Would this not be an example of someone weaseling out of paying taxes they should be paying if the idea is they write off the cost of the vehicle on their taxes? Would someone who has money to flip cars not be in the upper class?
colonel_batguano t1_j2dsdtk wrote
This is how government tries to effect change for things they don’t have the legal authority, or legislative will, to regulate.
Outlawing gasoline cars would not pass the legislature in NJ, and isn’t practical with the current state of the charging network. So tax incentives are used to encourage more electric cars, which will cause more demand for a better charging network. This is simply good policy, and is done for many other reasons as well.
What is ridiculous is how Tesla owners think they are somehow special and shouldn’t need front license plates like the rest of us, just because they drive an iPad controlled by a megalomaniac billionaire.
rxbandit256 t1_j2ebzi4 wrote
Don't be mad at people beating the system, be mad at the system.
Obvious_Ad9670 OP t1_j2edc89 wrote
Not sure they are beating the system any more. I ride an e- bike, no insurance, no registration. Added bonus of lowering cars speeds to 25mph as well.
rxbandit256 t1_j2eef37 wrote
If they're making money because of the way that system is set up, they're beating the system.
sg3707 t1_j2ck6cg wrote
Looks like some on is salty because of their coal burner.
max_johnson34 t1_j2a8hp7 wrote
It’s ridiculous they don’t get taxed but gas cars do and you also have to pay the extra tax at the pump as well.
jurzdevil t1_j29xat9 wrote
I find it ridiculous that big fuck off pickup trucks aren't taxed more