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weaselpoopcoffee1 t1_j5q0r5n wrote

That's really cool. Should be in the Smithsonian.

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TriggerTough OP t1_j5q1o4k wrote

Thanks!

It's currently in my closet now though. Doubt I'd ever give it up.

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celcel t1_j5qfxe2 wrote

Plenty of art collectors loan their art to galleries and museums. Could do the same.

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TriggerTough OP t1_j5r0ko7 wrote

Good to know. Thanks!

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ClaymoreMine t1_j5tfcv9 wrote

To expand on this. You can work with the museum to create the loan terms.

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TriggerTough OP t1_j5tikg6 wrote

I'm not in it for the money, just the memories.

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ClaymoreMine t1_j5u2ghl wrote

So the loan terms are not monetary. It’s how it’s displayed, cared for, yours and your families access to it, the duration of how long you want it on loan to the museum and so on.

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NJRoadfan t1_j5vuen4 wrote

Ask InfoAge down in Wall NJ about exhibiting. Its a local NJ venue with tons of early computing and telecommunications exhibits.

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the_last_carfighter t1_j5qnpqt wrote

This, but they do it mainly for the tax write offs.

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cookedsushi t1_j5s8p8c wrote

... go on..

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the_last_carfighter t1_j5sbpkx wrote

You can claim your seaside mansion is a "farm" and get subsidies and write-offs just by having a few animals on it. Alpacas for instance are ideal for that grift.. i mean totally legitimate operation.

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HydratedMemes t1_j5q6o5m wrote

At least get it in a box or something so your dog can’t eat it.

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ThePopeJones t1_j5slimm wrote

Tell the Smithsonian you'll loan it to em, but they have to let you have your picture taken riding the dinosaur of your choice.

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Draano t1_j5qhwgg wrote

Not OP, but my guess is it's similar to the company that "started in a garage". Built/assembled in the basement, and shipped by the person in the company who happened to have the job of running to the post office, UPS or FedEx. Probably picking up lunch from McDonalds on their way back to the basement/office.

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hopopo t1_j5q0n7d wrote

Your dad is Al Gore?

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RafeDangerous t1_j5t9cal wrote

Fun fact...what Al Gore said about his role in the internet is largely correct. The actual quote that people turned into "I invented the internet" was:

> "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system".

This is true. He was the first major politician to publicly recognize the potential of a large interlinked network, and he pushed hard for the expansion of ARPANET and public access to it. Would we have the internet today without him? Probably, but arguably it would be a number of years behind where it is and might not look like it does now since the drivers very well might have been the large "walled-garden" systems like CompuServe and America Online rather than public infrastructure. Without the expansion of ARPANET into the Internet, there would have been no common infrastructure for the World Wide Web.

Vint Cerf, co-creator of TCP/IP which makes him one of the actual original "inventors" of the internet, wrote a piece defending Gore on this topic. This part gets pretty much to the point:

> "Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the Internet and to promote and support its development.

>No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among people in government and the university community. But as the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time."

Basically, right-wing radio took a significant accomplishment that Gore made and turned it into an insult. It kind of reminds me of the McDonald's "too hot coffee" lawsuit in that way.

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dethskwirl t1_j5r6t4s wrote

it always comes back to New Jersey.

I've been to a lot of places and seen a lot things in this world so far, and there's always someone or something that links it back to New Jersey.

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Pcakes844 t1_j5rqdy2 wrote

Fr. YooHoo, the electric guitar, the light bulb, the motion picture camera and the whole modern movie industry as we know it today, Campbell's soup. Just a tiny bit of all the things that were created here in New Jersey.

Like the bridge says "Trenton makes, the world takes"

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Funkit t1_j5s0mmv wrote

New Jersey Statue of Liberty

New Jersey Giants

New Jersey Jets

NJ style pizza.

NJ bagels

Just to name a few

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FordMan100 t1_j5s1a55 wrote

You forgot NJ Pork Roll

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TwinsTwice t1_j5t64zu wrote

You misspelled “Taylor Ham”

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raichiha t1_j5txnft wrote

“Taylor” is the BRAND. “Pork roll” is the actual product.

Its pork roll.

You don’t say your having a bowl of General Mills for breakfast, you say your having Frosted Flakes, because thats the product and GM is the brand.

Also note, you don’t see the words “Taylor Ham” next to eachother, anywhere on the Taylor brand packaging.

Also Also note, the store brands will call it, for example, “Shoprite Pork Roll” because Taylor is a competing brand, not the actual product, which is pork roll.

Are we clear? This really can’t be that difficult to grasp.

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TwinsTwice t1_j5u5m42 wrote

I’d agree with you, but then we’d both be wrong.

Long live Taylor Ham

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raichiha t1_j5ubow4 wrote

With absolutely no counter argument. Enjoy being wrong, and have a great day.

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NJSkibum t1_j6a3jao wrote

It was originally Taylor's Ham until government regulators made him change it. Not a fan of cowering to the government so it'll always be Taylor Ham for me. ✊🏼

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raichiha t1_j6a7w71 wrote

Because it literally didn’t and still doesn’t qualify to be called ham at all lolol

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Dyljam2345 t1_j5trsvt wrote

> New Jersey Statue of Liberty

Glad we all agree on this one

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jerzyrailz t1_j5t9dr3 wrote

how are you gonna forget the new jersey devils? :(

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Funkit t1_j5tf7e4 wrote

They’ve always actually been labeled NJ though. I’m talking about all the things NY stole from us. NJ nets too they also took.

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TriggerTough OP t1_j5yfjt3 wrote

Actually they were originally the Kansas City Scouts before they were the NJ Devils.

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njstein t1_j5qkmkf wrote

OP really went to go get this after people called his comments fake in the backyard thread lol.

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imMakingA-UnityGame t1_j5q42s3 wrote

That is AWESOME! Please take good care of this, you’ve got a real piece of history here.

Should consider loaning it to a museum temporarily or something but I do understand the personal value to you so can’t blame you for not wanting to.

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ministryofmayhem t1_j5r85yz wrote

Was wondering about that lowercase 'c' in cisco, so I looked it up. From Wikipedia:

>The name "Cisco" was derived from the city name San Francisco, which is why the company's engineers insisted on using the lower case "cisco" in its early years. The logo is intended to depict the two towers of the Golden Gate Bridge.

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Professional-Error58 t1_j5q35ku wrote

who would have known Nj played a key role in the establishment of the worlds internet

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imMakingA-UnityGame t1_j5q460m wrote

NJ played a HUGE part in computing in general, Bell Labs is responsible for creating a LOT of the stuff still used today.

To name a few:

The transistor

The Laser

The solar cell

The fields of radio astronomy and information theory

The GUI

UNIX operating system (still at the core of most machines running today, even new ones)

The C programming g language (still at the core of most machines running today, even new ones, countless programming languages abstracted ontop of/out of this)

There are many im forgetting I’m sure. It has had like 9 Nobel prizes come out of it i think. Today it is a shell of its former self but Bell Labs is more or less to thank for the modern world of computing. Without C and Unix, computers being so accessible to the masses wouldn’t have happened.

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SchAmToo t1_j5qd9es wrote

Fiber optic communications

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beachmedic23 t1_j5r1wg7 wrote

I remember my grandfather taking me to Bell Labs as a kid. He was on the fiber optic team. That place was so cool even back then, I'm glad Bellworks was able to repurpose the building instead of knocking it down

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vabello t1_j5r5ir4 wrote

My dad worked at Bell Labs in Whippany. I remember going there in the 80’s and seeing a lot of Apple II computers with all sorts of crazy custom boards and ribbon cables running everywhere. I recall a co-worker of his gave us a custom Apple II floppy controller with a toggle switch to change which ROMs were active, changing from something being 3.2 to 3.3 versions. More interestingly, I remember that my dad said Bell Labs frequently had employees who built technology that had no current application. He said they kept a lot of it locked away until the rest of the world caught up and had a use for it.

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Paul_S_R_Chisholm t1_j5qgjw9 wrote

Yep!

A few nits:

>The Laser

The laser was "invented" by many people at many organizations.

>The GUI

The early ground breaking work was done at SRI and Xerox PARC. Bell Labs did invent the Blit.

>The C programming language (still at the core of most machines running today, even new ones, countless programming languages abstracted on top of/out of this)

And C++ (nobody's favorite language but hugely influential).

Also:

  • communications satellites (Telstar series)
  • touch-tone phones (back when you really would "dial" a telephone number)
  • Digital Signal Processors (DSPs)
  • transatlantic telephone cables
  • charge-coupled devices (CCDs), the heart of every digital camera

And so much more.

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nadeemon t1_j5rag82 wrote

You're also forgetting neural networks, which power alot of AI today. They were invented by yann lecun at bell labs, his manager was Rich Howard, who was involved with WINLAB at Rutgers.

Then there's also Thomas Edison and all the advancements his company made.

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roytay t1_j5twf4m wrote

I worked with Yann in Bell Labs, back in the day. He may have invented convolutional neural networks -- he's cited as a 'founding father' of them. Neural networks in general pre-date him a bit.

Edit: Don't get me wrong. Yann's work in that field was huge and he's a big deal at Meta now.

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nadeemon t1_j5v39m4 wrote

Yup thanks for correcting me.

Also that's pretty cool you used to work with him.

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22marks t1_j5rfsy2 wrote

Also Blockchain. Including several of the patents listed on the Bitcoin whitepaper.

EDIT: As answered below, the idea of blockchain was conceived in the Friendly's in Morristown. Three of the eight technical references in the Bitcoin whitepaper are from these NJ inventors at Bell Labs.

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gotMUSE t1_j5rp0kn wrote

For real? What patents?

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22marks t1_j5rpx1j wrote

Here's the whitepaper: https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

Go to the last page and the references are listed, but these three of the eight are from Bell Labs and were conceived at the Friendly's Restaurant in Morristown:

S. Haber, W.S. Stornetta, "How to time-stamp a digital document," In Journal of Cryptology, vol 3, no2, pages 99-111, 1991.

D. Bayer, S. Haber, W.S. Stornetta, "Improving the efficiency and reliability of digital time-stamping,"In Sequences II: Methods in Communication, Security and Computer Science, pages 329-334, 1993.

S. Haber, W.S. Stornetta, "Secure names for bit-strings," In Proceedings of the 4th ACM Conferenceon Computer and Communications Security, pages 28-35, April 1997.

One of the actual patents can be found here:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5136647A/en

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gotMUSE t1_j5rrero wrote

At a Friendly's? Unreal. Much thanks.

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SursumCorda-NJ t1_j5r46rs wrote

> UNIX operating system (still at the core of most machines running today, even new ones)

What runs on Unix in modern machines? If you have a Windows computer I thought Windows is what the computer used.

I'm very computer engineering ignorant.

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AidanAmerica t1_j5rmorr wrote

Windows is the 800 lb gorilla exception, but the vast majority of operating systems are derived from Unix. Here’s the short explanation:

AT&T’s Bell Labs invented Unix in the late 60s. They funded research related to all kinds of communication projects. Because of an antitrust decree, AT&T wasn’t allowed to sell computers or computer software until after 1982, when the Supreme Court broke them up.

So, during the 70s, AT&T had this great OS, but they couldn’t sell it. They could, however, license it as a trade secret. So universities and companies bought a license, and they’d get the UNIX source code — think an Ikea chair that’s sold disassembled, but which comes with instructions on how to turn those parts into a working chair.

During that time when AT&T was licensing out those instructions, people studied them and learned how the system works. Returning to the chair analogy: after you assemble it, you could study it and figure out how it distributes the force through the chair to support a person. Then, after you learn how that chair works, you could use that knowledge to go build your own chair from scratch.

After AT&T was split up in 1982, they could start selling the OS as a finished product, but it didn’t matter as much anymore: the secret was out. People could build their own chairs. BSD and Linux* are two examples of UNIX-like operating systems that came about that way.

Modern day UNIX derivatives contain none of that original AT&T- authored code, but they are based off of a clone of AT&T UNIX.

So, because AT&T did all the hard work 40 years ago, and now you can reap the benefits for free, most people and organizations that need an operating system just use one of those free UNIX-derived clones. Apple’s operating systems, Android, FreeBSD (Netflix’s OS of choice for their server infrastructure) all come from that gene pool.

The one major exception is Windows, because Microsoft built their own OS from scratch back when it made a little more sense to do so, and now if they tear it up and start from scratch, they’ll break 37 years of third party software. It’s possible to put together a fix, but then they’d end up in an even more precarious situation of trying to support decades of software plus this new variable. Microsoft has always been hesitant to do that type of thing. Apple, by contrast, is willing to just break old things in the interest of progress and tell their users to suck it up.

Hey, that didn’t end up being short at all.

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SursumCorda-NJ t1_j5vj1wu wrote

> Hey, that didn’t end up being short at all.

Haha Nope but it was a fascinating read and really broke it down to make it easy to understand. Even though I don't know shit about computer engineering I still find this sorta stuff fascinating, the history of early computing that is. Is there a universal language that works for Unix derived systems or does each derivative system use their own special language?

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AidanAmerica t1_j5x6ex7 wrote

I’ve always been interested in this type of thing as a type of modern day history. It’s fascinating to see how people solved all kinds of little problems to put together the modern world. The history of Unix has as much engineering effort for multiple moon landings, along with b-plots of intense business pressures, a weirdly large amount of government influence, and intense interpersonal political intrigue.

The closest thing to a universal language for Unix would be the Single Unix Specification. I’m not familiar enough to say if there’s some programming language that can be turned into a compatible app for any Unix-derived system, but the practical answer is more political than technical. That specification came about because there were multiple similar, but different and incompatible versions of Unix on the market. The US government adopted a regulation that they would only buy software that met this new standard, so anyone who wanted to go for a lucrative DoD contract needed to meet that standard. (In a surprise twist, though, Microsoft talked the government into buying their software that was a totally different breed from anything that would meet the standard). That standard still exists, though, and it’s regularly updated. A consortium that acquired the legal rights to Unix from AT&T is responsible for maintaining that standard, and they certify operating systems as compliant. If an OS is derived from the Unix lineage, but not compliant with the SUS[^sus], then they can’t use the Unix name since it’s copyrighted. Those are usually described as Unix-Like, because for some reason that’s legally distinct enough. A few years ago, Apple made a few changes macOS so it could get Unix certification. I assume they also had to pay for that.

Working developers likely know a few popular programming languages. If they want to write software for an OS, they need to find a “compiler,” an application which takes the code, written in the language of the programmer’s choice, and outputs a finished, functional application.[^I don’t code, so if there’s any place I’m getting a small detail wrong, it’s here. ] If you want that application to run on an iPhone, for example, you need to follow Apple’s rules and go through their approval and certification process. Apple made the iPhone’s operating system by building it on top of a Unix-derived free operating system, but they’re allowed and able to put their non-free licenses and terms on top of that free foundation.

A totally free operating system — for example, Debian Linux — isn’t made by a group that uses their legal rights to keep their software locked down in that way. What’s interesting about projects like those is that they’re equally, if not more, innovative in their legal and social philosophy as they are in their technical design. These are projects run by volunteers online who vote democratically to decide how the project should be run. It’s guided by a constitution and social contract that outline, among other things, the process to propose and approve changes to the OS, a stipulation that the OS will always be free, that they’ll always make both the source code (the kit with parts and instructions) and the final product openly and freely available, and that it won’t come with any software that doesn’t abide by those same open and free terms. These Unix-derivative projects compete more on licensing terms, philosophy, and what to prioritize as their focus than on technical differences. People debate these things online in their free time like software rabbis. There wouldn’t be room to debate those types of questions if the most important technical questions hadn’t largely been answered by AT&T (and all the other contributors) over the last few decades. If someone doesn’t like the way the Debian project is answering the philosophical questions, they can go look at some other group’s Unix-like OS, or even take the source code and make their own.

So, to answer your question: there are many standard and well-known languages that can be used to write software that is technically capable of being run on any Unix-derived operating system, but whether or not it does run is more a question of whether or not the people who make the operating system decide they want to let it run.

And, again, Windows is its own lineage. A developer who knows one of those common programming languages can find a compiler to make a working app for Windows just as they could for any other OS, but that’s because Microsoft puts its significant resources behind making it easy to make software for Windows, and easy for users to get a computer that runs Windows. Apple does the same for their operating systems. Microsoft (like Apple or any company in a similarly market-dominant position) has a sales staff that convinces companies to buy their software because those companies know it’ll be warrantied by Microsoft, a big name they trust. If you’re the one tasked with buying new software for the whole company, are you going to have the company spend a few thousand dollars to buy Microsoft’s offering, or are you going to gamble your career on the free option? If that turns out to be a dud, even if only because the new software looks scary and different, you’re to blame. That’s essentially why Windows still exists as a distinct breed: Microsoft is the only company uniquely positioned so that it’s cheaper and less risky for them to stick with their own thing than to build off of what’s long been freely available.

Oops, I wrote a blog post again.

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playdohplaydate t1_j5s7gmj wrote

The greatest part of the UNIX story is it’s development being fostered by the Space Travel game Ken Thompson tirelessly developed.

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SemiEmployedTree t1_j5uogw2 wrote

The one part of the OS saga you left out is the role played by Dave Cutler. Cutler was a key guy at DEC responsible for RSX-11M and then VMS. He left DEC and joined Microsoft where he led the NT team. The whole NT architecture has his fingerprints all over it and in some ways was a VMS clone.

Never met the guy but I hear he had a real low opinion of UNIX.

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Mysticpoisen t1_j5r5yue wrote

That's true. Though new versions of Windows have a Linux subsystems(WSL) that does use Unix. Linux, Android, and MacOS are all unix based, so pretty much everything aside from windows.

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nadeemon t1_j5r98gq wrote

Essentially all servers run in unix, mac os is unix, and Android phones are unix.

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RafeDangerous t1_j5tbiwj wrote

> Essentially all servers run in unix, mac os is unix, and Android phones are unix.

Not quite. MacOS is a certified UNIX system, but Android is Linux which is a UNIX derivative clone. At this point, in sheer numbers there are more Linux servers than there are UNIX ones.

Linux was built to be a UNIX clone by Linus Torvolds and a host of open-source developers, and has no direct links to UNIX, which was developed originally by AT&T. Linux is a fully open-source OS, while UNIX is a mix (BSD is partially open-source, but as far as I know none of the others are).

Edit: Okay, this isn't a debatable point. Only systems certified by The Open Group are UNIX. Others can be similar to UNIX, or clones of UNIX, but they are not UNIX. Linux has never been certified as UNIX, and even if they requested certification they would not pass the requirements because while Linux is very similar to UNIX, it doesn't meet the benchmark requirements. Downvoting me doesn't change reality.

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craywolf t1_j5uqr4p wrote

To further drive your point home, Linux is technically just the kernel which is pretty useless by itself, because there's no built-in way to interact with it.

The standard set of tools for interacting with the Linux kernel are the GNU utilities.

GNU stands for "GNU is Not Unix."

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imMakingA-UnityGame t1_j5tgyqv wrote

Linux is UNIX based and uses POSIX, it’s essentially a. GUI extension ontop of UNIX. We wouldn’t have it without UNIX. *NIX machines perhaps is more accurate than UNIX, but that’s just semantics. At its core LINUX is UNIX on crack. Obviously it’s come leaps and bounds away from UNIX in this age but it’s built ontop of it.

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RafeDangerous t1_j5tiei1 wrote

It's really not though. It shares no actual code from proprietary UNIX, and UNIX is an actual certification which Linux doesn't have. If anything, calling Linux UNIX takes away from all the work that Linus and the others did; they didn't simply repackage UNIX code, they wrote it from scratch and did an amazing job.

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imMakingA-UnityGame t1_j5tgq1m wrote

Yeah, so it’s either MS-DOS based systems or UNIX based. If it’s not a windows machine its 99% likely its UNIX based. This would lead you to think the vast majority of computing things are windows as it’s the most popular OS, however you need to consider ALL computers. Not just Laptops/PCs.

Think phones, tablets, smart watches, cars, “smart” anything’s, TVs, rockets, servers, anything running Linux, basically anything running a computer chip which is….a lot of shit now.

That being said, even windows has been in the last few year implementing more and more of the UNIX/POSIX type shit for developers.

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SursumCorda-NJ t1_j5vhbvd wrote

Very cool. Thanks. What computer language does UNIX use?

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imMakingA-UnityGame t1_j65qdvb wrote

The C programming language was created to facilitate the creation of UNIX, im sure it has assembly code all over the place too.

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Fryceratops t1_j5q3xsj wrote

AT&T had a ton of employees here. Bell Labs was in Murray Hill.

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TriggerTough OP t1_j5q8an0 wrote

My dads main client at the end was Lucent Technologies in Holmdel.

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Zhandaly t1_j5qjii2 wrote

My dad went through a similar gauntlet in Holmdel... Intel, Lucent, Avaya... haha, this brought back some nice memories, thanks.

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Paul_S_R_Chisholm t1_j5qh3cs wrote

Cool. I started my career in Holmdel at Bell Telephone Laboratories in 1981. I met my wife there (we're still happily married), and our oldest worked there for awhile as a contractor.

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Waka-Waka-Waka-Do t1_j5qh720 wrote

That building has been converted to co-op space. It's amazing.

At one point it was in such disrepair that deer and other wildlife were living in it.

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mdp300 t1_j5rkn7f wrote

Goddamn! I didn't know it was actually abandoned like that!

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Spectrum2700 t1_j5t9nxg wrote

Yup, NJN did a whole documentary after the 1984 Bell System breakup, explaining that they'd chose to move from NYC to NJ simply because there was plenty of space for use in all sorts of areas --- they had some field in Chester for testing phone poles and lines outdoors, a Western Electric facility in Springfield near Union (now the HQ of Bed, Bath and Beyond for however long they last)...

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Mr_Matt_K t1_j5tj1rq wrote

There's also that one guy, I think Eddie's son or something like that?

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watudoinstepbrah t1_j5q5cfn wrote

Where in rahway

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TriggerTough OP t1_j5q8f1q wrote

Central Ave. 3 houses from the HS. Right around the block from the hospital.

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Staff_Infection_ t1_j5qn5gs wrote

Mr. Deblasio put it best... there's a right way, a wrong way and a Rahway.

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TriggerTough OP t1_j5r1exh wrote

lol!

I wrestled for Stueb back in the day.

Small world!

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Tobar_the_Gypsy t1_j5rj9x1 wrote

I went to school with a Steuben that came from a wrestling family….same family? From Bergen county.

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TriggerTough OP t1_j5snmhl wrote

That was Fred Stueber from Rahway. He was the wrestling and football coach when I was at RHS.

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murphydcat t1_j5tl7wi wrote

I used to deliver the Elizabeth Daily Journal to that block in the 1980s (yes I am OLD!!).

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TriggerTough OP t1_j5ygmk2 wrote

Very cool.

My dad made me deliver papers as well on my BMX bike. Wanted to teach me "work ethic."

I hope all is well and thank you for the paper delivery back then!

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KillerKPa t1_j5rjsh2 wrote

So Cisco started in a basement in Rahway NJ?

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TriggerTough OP t1_j5snzfm wrote

The basement of the home I grew up in was Ciscos first sales office on the east coast.

In 1989 they weren’t public yet. Just a small startup.

My dad was working for Wang Computers in sales in the 1980s. A venture capitalist met with him to see if he wanted to take a risk with a company who had a new technology no one had used yet.

My dad decided to do it. We had the basement of the home we lived in as the sales office since it was such a small startup.

It’s crazy thinking back to see where it’s at now.

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Sudovoodoo80 t1_j5qzyha wrote

You fool! You've doomed us all!!!!

lol Just kiddding, that's really cool.

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TriggerTough OP t1_j5r2157 wrote

Thank you.

On a side note, for the first 3 years no one wanted to buy it. They thought it was a joke. My dad was so frustrated every day at dinner time.

Then the World Wide Web came out about 1993 and it was more "user friendly" so companies started buying it up.

Look where we are at now! Crazy IMO.

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SursumCorda-NJ t1_j5r4t64 wrote

So, your dad created the first router?

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TriggerTough OP t1_j5sneds wrote

No. Back in the late 1980s and 1990s he sold the products that made the internet possible.

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SemiEmployedTree t1_j5qht2x wrote

Can you post a picture showing the names better? I’m wondering if anybody I knew back then is there.

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small_e_900 t1_j5qidp1 wrote

In 1989, I lived on St. Georges Ave, a few doors down from Bachman's tavern. Hi neighbor.

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mcgeggy t1_j5q7gmb wrote

What does it mean “sold out of a basement”? Who was selling it to who?

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TriggerTough OP t1_j5q8ccq wrote

My father to the world.

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onemm t1_j5qmzn5 wrote

Ok so was the first internet connection sent from NJ to Tokyo? Or NYC to Tokyo?

Cause as a Jersey boy I know New Yorkers love taking credit for a lot of our shit

Edit: just realized what sub I’m on and don’t need to clarify I’m a Jersey boy

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SemiEmployedTree t1_j5urnuz wrote

Depends on what you mean by "internet". Since you used a lower case "i" the correct answer is that the first successful host-to-host connection on the ARPANET was made between Stanford Research Institute (SRI) in Menlo Park CA. and UCLA at 10:30 pm PST on 29 October 1969 (6:30 UTC on 30 October 1969).

The term "internet", which refers not to a network but to the technology, wasn't used I believe until ~1974. The capitalized form "Internet" is usually used to refer to the actual network (i.e physical implementation) but whether that is correct usage and, if so, when the Internet came into existence, is a topic best left to drunk engineers to argue over.

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HeyItsPanda69 t1_j5qlxam wrote

Tell your dad thank you and I hate him.

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TriggerTough OP t1_j5yh4j8 wrote

Hate social media. That's what wrecked it all IMO.

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playdohplaydate t1_j5s3xhz wrote

It’s so amazing how much of the modern world was developed in NJ

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greensocks77 t1_j5t00e5 wrote

AT&T had an opportunity to buy Cisco products early on and sell them as their own. A “Brouter”. Worked with engineers on the evaluation team. They gave the thumbs up but the opportunity never came to fruition. Go figure. This was before they bought NCR. Bet they would love to change those choices.

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TriggerTough OP t1_j5t4nin wrote

My dad worked with them along with Lucent Technologies when he was with Cisco.

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greensocks77 t1_j5yeb07 wrote

This was WAY before Lucent. I got to travel out to Cisco when they were still in Menlo Park. lol still kick myself that I didn’t take a job with them.

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TriggerTough OP t1_j5yepro wrote

I bet.

My dad was with Cisco before they went public.

Honestly, the 1st office on the east coast for Cisco was in the basement of the home I grew up in, Rahway NJ. No joke. I was there to witness it. lol

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murphydcat t1_j5tm8i3 wrote

Alexander Shipley, who is the Rahway historian, may be interested in that router.

He doesn't use email much but he is the director of the Merchants & Drovers Tavern Museum on St. Georges Ave. Give him a ring at (732) 381-0441.

Did you know that Rahway was also home to the first lab of inventor Nikolai Tesla? There is a statue of him in front of the Rahway Train Station.

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philosteen t1_j5r3elb wrote

Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to present to you... the internet!

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ssSerendipityss t1_j5s43kz wrote

I’m from Rahway! In PA now. Now I have something to mention besides the prison!

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murphydcat t1_j5tlcgn wrote

The prison is in Avenel, not Rahway. Everyone from Rahway know that.

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TriggerTough OP t1_j5yftyu wrote

Yeah, but we got the bad rap for it.

SCARED STRAIGHT!!! There's a throwback there...

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namean_jellybean t1_j5td7ld wrote

Omg my dad worked for bell / nortel during that time period and told me about the cisco systems team! I remember being the only kid in school with internet at home (what was before 56k, 14kbps?) in like 1991 but it was just ‘message boards’ and was not interesting to any regular people.

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TriggerTough OP t1_j5tdthp wrote

Correct!

I had the internet from 1989 as well. All green screen stuff with commands. No real "websites" either. No one wanted to use it. It wasn't "user friendly." It was a "joke" at the time.

Then about 1993 when the WWW hit everyone wanted it. It was not for just "computer nerds" anymore. It sold like hotcakes!

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namean_jellybean t1_j5v8qsq wrote

Yes!!! I remember having ‘internet’ at home for a couple years before our school got it. A teacher told me I was lying when I said I had already been had that at home for a while. Didn’t matter to me, it was only him using it anyway (for work? For dorky telecom things? 16 bit naked ladies?) so it’s not like I knew what it was.

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pnerges t1_j5rtj5u wrote

It is famous! They even made an episode of South Park about that router.

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haunted_star t1_j5s91z5 wrote

what the fuck is the internet?

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Stark21 t1_j5sbt2c wrote

It's a place where people can get together, trade pornography, and bitch about movies!

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Mr_Matt_K t1_j5tjfk0 wrote

It's not a big truck, it's a series of tubes!

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marymonstera t1_j5tnova wrote

Damn I’d love to see this featured on antiques roadshow when they have cool stuff from the local places they hold the show

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NachoFries2020 t1_j5ukjfq wrote

Very cool, good old Rahway NJ !! 07065 !!!! Get some Munce's hot dogs by the park on St.George Ave back in the day !

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sect0r_9 t1_j5q4u83 wrote

Igor Klener is a narcissist.

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-686 t1_j5ro8de wrote

Awesome!

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slapstick15 t1_j5ro8r5 wrote

What a neat piece of technological memorabilia! Thanks for sharing.

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marialfc t1_j5rztjc wrote

So freaking amazing!

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mattemer t1_j5s6ebg wrote

You're dad is Al Gore?

Of course kidding.

This is really awesome. What a cool piece of history to have and to be a part of.

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TodayTimeDeux t1_j5sapof wrote

mmuseumm in nyc would love this for an seasonal exhibit

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suarezd1 t1_j5tvzut wrote

To think, the idiots went West.

"We're gonna head west. There's a rumor goin' around there might be some Internet out there. So we're headed out Californee Way."

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UnableAdagio4166 t1_j5x5qq9 wrote

Calling bs on this one. EVERYONE KNOWS it was AL Gore who started the internet. Geesh, the nerve of some people.

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BigStinkyMeat t1_j5qpzyt wrote

This is so lame.

No one actually gives a shit except introverted dorks on Reddit.

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