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pegothejerk t1_jd4lpl4 wrote

Man, that’s a lot of wives that are gonna have a bad time unless they get to a shelter or friends house with the kids.

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Velkyn01 t1_jd4nlmn wrote

It's not a site for showing off the watchdogs, ya dummies.

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jaydpuppycat t1_jd4s1rb wrote

There might be a lot of deaths soon because of it. Anyone undercover might be blown, and all it takes it one seedy guy to remember a face. Also, their family could be targeted as well.

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HappyFunNorm t1_jd4szu1 wrote

There's no way it's a way to get rid of some of the enemies of the LA cop gang. Oh, there's NO WAY they would do something like that... I'm sure it was all a total accident.

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thefanciestcat t1_jd4zhin wrote

Finally, police stupidity that won't cost us money.

On second thought, those cops are going to sue.

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onarainyafternoon t1_jd57wo7 wrote

Replying to HappyFunNorm (#2,295,386)

This is a terrible take. Police incompetence/laziness is an enormous problem, and accounts for most of the biggest problems we see with police organizations. Like, Police malice is a really big problem. But it pales in comparison to the incompetence and apathy many organizations exhibit. If you're a True Crime fan, you know how bad and rampant the incompetence can get.

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onarainyafternoon t1_jd58b3h wrote

Replying to AwTekker (#2,296,371)

Probably, yeah, because malicious people aren't that common. Most people fuck-up out of laziness or genuine incompetence; most people are not trying to deliberately hurt other people. They hurt people with massive incompetence and apathy.

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Witchgrass t1_jd5dk0f wrote

Replying to onarainyafternoon (#2,296,503)

I post this a lot but there’s a billboard in my town the cops put up that has a thin blue line and it says STOP THE WAR

As in stop the war against cops? You know, the armed branch of the state? Which makes all of the rest of us non leos (you know, the ones who don’t get paid vacation time for murdering people or shooting poodles) aggro enemy combatants I guess?

The billboard underneath that one is still available for rent and I’m still taking suggestions on what we should put there. It infuriates me every time I see it. My point is that cops absolutely hate non cops and that makes up the biggest part of their problem. 95% malice, 5% incompetence

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MGD109 t1_jd5s8x2 wrote

Replying to Witchgrass (#2,296,888)

I mean that's a terrible billboard and suggests your local police aren't particularly good.

But its kind of a reach to take that as evidence that all the cops throughout the country hate everyone who isn't a cop don't you think?

Still even if your right, how is that applicable in this scenerio? Everyone involved was also a cop.

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MGD109 t1_jd5smn3 wrote

I mean I get the desire for transparency, but surely they realise why publishing information about undercover officers could go horribly wrong right?

Either way it looks like they've effectively crippled the LAPD's entire uncover branch. I wonder what repercussions that will have.

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impy695 t1_jd5xcoo wrote

Replying to onarainyafternoon (#2,296,503)

Yes incompetence is a huge issue, but there have also been a lot of stories recently about the problems with la cop gangs. An intential leak to intimidate people into not talking is a very real possibility.

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LackingUtility t1_jd671au wrote

Now match those photos against the photos of violent instigators during BLM protests.

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dashinny t1_jd69fs2 wrote

Replying to onarainyafternoon (#2,296,503)

There is a big issue with cop gangs in LA right now and the current head of the LAPD has actually made a force to combat these gangs. I would say the commenter is speculating, but he is right in that there is a issue with gangs in police

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NotADeadHorse t1_jd6htpo wrote

Replying to slipsect (#2,296,475)

I used to wanna be a cop for years.

My reasoning was "drive around in a decent car you don't have to pay for, maybe write a ticket for someone going too fast, and do some paperwork all day"

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fvb955cd t1_jd6o2tz wrote

Replying to girlfreddyf (#2,295,105)

I've never worked for a police department but I have worked in various government agencies. Foia/public records work is absolutely soul crushing work. It's regularly used as a dumping ground for people agencies can't fire but want to get rid of, and promising managers (if you can make it here, you can make it anywhere). You have to herd cats to get every office and division that touched something to propose redactions based on their specialized knowledge, and the person ostensibly leading the collection is probably like a 60 year old man who sleeps at his desk half the day and spends the other half posting political Facebook memes, but he's buddies with various muckity muck senior career managers or union stewards so he's untouchable.

When it's all said and done, and records are sent out the day before the judge is getting ready to sanction everyone involved, you get a call from angry officials upset that no one redacted such and such thing that was super sensitive. But those fuckers signed off on it as being fully redacted.

Its a problem of attitude, unpleasant conditions (at the federal level, the time lines are from the pre-digital era), and borderline abuse by politically aligned groups that shift based on the administration, to fish for any sort of juicy dirt and otherwise just Gum up agency resources.

I would quit before having to deal with the process again. I'm all for accountability but the sausage of it is terribly unpleasant to grind and pack.

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YomiKuzuki t1_jd6qb6w wrote

Replying to MGD109 (#2,298,541)

You mean at all right? I suggest you take s quick pit stop to r/protectandserve to see part of why people on reddit beat point in like how they beat their wives.

Because maybe one day it'll stick to actually hold them fucking accountable for their shit.

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21redman t1_jd77w90 wrote

Good. Maybe we can actually do something useful with the undercover dept funds

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Cfp0001-Iceman t1_jd7ccls wrote

Replying to MGD109 (#2,298,160)

Comedy doesn't discriminate. Gilbert Gottfried did a 9/11 joke two weeks later.

Yeah, some jokes are dark and it's a way for some to cope with horrible things in life. Only by making it something we can laugh about does it become something not so overwhelmingly bad that you can process a bit of it little by little. Can't do something about something you're too afraid to deal with.

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MGD109 t1_jd7igv5 wrote

Replying to Cfp0001-Iceman (#2,301,982)

Well I suppose that's fair enough. I understand the value of dark humour.

I don't know I guess its just when you keep saying the same jokes over and over again, you start to feel its more your mocking the people suffering rather than anything else. A few responses I've got certainly haven't helped with that perception.

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MGD109 t1_jd7ioqz wrote

Replying to YomiKuzuki (#2,300,760)

Yeah I wouldn't hold your breath, shockingly jokes on social media don't usually do much to actually make meaningful change.

That usually requires actual effort.

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NarcissusCloud t1_jd7oa4r wrote

Replying to MGD109 (#2,302,446)

Well as much effort as you've put in to complaining about people joking, I'm sure you've also done actual work to help with the problem as well? Link me the site you've built to raise awareness? Or show us the evidence of donations to the cause? I mean there has to be more to helping than just shit talking people who make jokes.

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mlc885 t1_jd7orko wrote

Replying to AwTekker (#2,296,371)

There is no way that it is more likely that this waa intentional and not a crazy mistake. Leak the information in a less public way and have the cops either moved, fired, or killed, and then it probably wouldn't even make the news.

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NarcissusCloud t1_jd7pe2i wrote

Replying to MGD109 (#2,302,949)

Nah, I want you to show us something that indicates you're out here doing the good work. I'm sure you've done something worthy that wouldn't require your personal assets to be shared.

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NarcissusCloud t1_jd7qo15 wrote

Replying to MGD109 (#2,303,009)

None of it matters because clearly you've missed the point. The point is, I have absolutely no clue what you do or don't do to support any given cause. The most I could do is search your reddit comments if I cared enough. Just as you have no clue what anyone here has done outside of their comments. Yet here you are calling everyone out for not doing enough to raise awareness. Just because all you see are the jokes, that doesn't mean they aren't doing more.

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MGD109 t1_jd7rjcg wrote

Replying to NarcissusCloud (#2,303,106)

I mean your right I don't know what these people do. For all I know they could be dedicated social activists. If they are good for them.

My overall point though wasn't that they weren't doing enough to deal with the issue, more that I felt the jokes were in bad taste and didn't buy the justification that they were "raising awareness."

When its a joke guaranteed to appear on any thread that even mentions the police at least six times, then its safe to say people are already aware.

This is just blatant upvote farming.

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MGD109 t1_jd7s7y5 wrote

Replying to Northman67 (#2,303,186)

Right cause everyone who ever questions the logically fallacies must be part of the enemy.

If you must know I personally think the American police force is both institutionally and personally corrupt, racist, overpaid, overmilitarized and an embodiment of all the countries failures (or if your more cynical, a reflection).

I just don't think them putting up a billboard is the best argument you could make to prove it or that it has much to do with this story.

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TrueDove t1_jd7sg92 wrote

Replying to Witchgrass (#2,296,888)

Have an arrow pointing up and a caption interpreting it.

STOP THE WAR

"In other words: STOP trying to hold us ACCOUNTABLE for our actions."

Then, have a bunch of photos of innocent people wrecklessly killed by police.

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NarcissusCloud t1_jd7t4zc wrote

Replying to MGD109 (#2,303,174)

Ok, I would definitely agree with that. I highly doubt any of these jokes are being made with the explicit goal of raising awareness. I would argue that unless you have a large dedicated audience, you're never actually joking to raise awareness. My apologies, I misunderstood what you were going for.

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goldsax t1_jd88sft wrote

Why reddit links sites with pay walls I will never understand

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Pazoll t1_jd89p01 wrote

Were are the names from Jeffery Epsteins black book?

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ButtMilkyCereal t1_jd89pmo wrote

Replying to RamonaQ-JunieB (#2,294,987)

You don't have your police consequence scale calibrated correctly. They usually get paid vacation for outright murder caught on camera, so by my calculations, this is a Caribbean cruise while getting blown by supermodels.

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peterkeats t1_jd8eqxf wrote

Replying to MGD109 (#2,298,156)

The watchdog website knew what they got. They aren’t publishing the info.

They may be suspicious of cops, but don’t try to get them killed.

In fact, if their job is questioning police intentions, they would be very suspicious why they got this info.

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MGD109 t1_jd8flu8 wrote

Replying to Pazoll (#2,304,615)

You can look it up here: https://epsteinsblackbook.com/

Trouble is it turned out the "black book" was just a media story that they blew up for ratings, and its really just a mundane address book that even has the phone numbers of his family, cleaners and contractors he hired for his events and restaurants he liked to eat at.

In other words, utterly worthless.

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jonathanrdt t1_jd8hoeb wrote

Replying to TrueDove (#2,303,246)

OP, if you do this, make sure a lawyer creates insulation between you and the billboard contract. If they paid for that billboard, they're going to work to discover who paid for its criticism.

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Mycide t1_jd8lulk wrote

Maybe if they stopped playing police gangs, and worried about doing their jobs, shit like this wouldn't happen.

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MGD109 t1_jd9zlm1 wrote

Replying to Pazoll (#2,305,383)

Just to clarify do you disagree with me, or do you think their is another black book their keeping secret.

If its the former why? If its the later, ask yourself why exactly would such a thing even exist in the first place? What possibly benefit to Epstein could it have possibly given?

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MGD109 t1_jd9zrxc wrote

Replying to DeutschlandOderBust (#2,306,676)

If you say so. I mean I can understand that argument, but when its gotten to the point that literally everyone does it multiple times, it becomes a bit hard to believe their is any light left to shine.

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Daripuff t1_jdiks9m wrote

Replying to Saul_Firehand (#2,337,306)

And you’re assuming that malice can’t pretend to be stupidity.

If there’s pattern of “stupidity” that just so happens to benefit the “stupid”, it’s very safe to assume malice.

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Daripuff t1_jdj5w7y wrote

Replying to Saul_Firehand (#2,340,899)

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

A pattern of apparent stupidity that benefits the “stupid” is not adequately explained by mere stupidity.

The fact it benefits the “stupid”, and the “stupid” keeps doing it, despite the harm it’s going to others (because malice wouldn’t even be a question if there were no harm happening) is all the evidence you need to assume malice.

Even if they are truly ignorant of the harm that’s happening, willful ignorance is malice.

Additionally lying and claiming stupidity is a common defense for the malicious who get caught. The intelligently malicious will make sure that their actions can appear to be explained by stupidity.

No, the variables of “The stupidity is a pattern” and “The stupidity benefits the one being stupid” change the equation enough that you’re the stupid one if you think that “they don’t know that they’re doing, they’re just dumb” is sufficient explanation.

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