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ithaqua34 t1_jdo40zx wrote

I assume his pension is alright now though. Nice of them to let him wait.

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JustZonesing OP t1_jdo5zxw wrote

Right?? The reporter had been investigating for months. Wouldn't be inconceivable he had been protected. Particularly after the condescending remark by the City spokesperson. Note the charges were announced during Friday news dump. Just my opinion. One other thing - City Manager a regular Barron Von Fiefdom. IMHO.

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GraDoN t1_jdq1qsm wrote

> Wouldn't be inconceivable he had been protected

Given that it's the norm to secure their pension when they break the law I'd change that to "it would surprise me if they didn't protect him".

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Dro1972 t1_jdo5vwj wrote

Here, have a pension. In fact, no brotherman here, have two.

Two pensions means a snack for me, But it means a big deal to you.

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shaidyn t1_jdpv960 wrote

That is a deep fucking reference. I approve.

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Acidflare1 t1_jdq11v4 wrote

He just kept saying “I’m too old for this shit”

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isadotaname t1_jdqzfu8 wrote

Based on the world ng of the article he made the choice to retire that day because he knew he would be charged.

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Artanthos t1_jdpaonp wrote

Should we take away your social security if you are accused of a misdemeanor?

Not convicted, accused.

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Zeronaut81 t1_jdpbsc5 wrote

No, because social security is a taxpayer-funded retirement plan that all Americans pay into. A city pension is a further tax burden on the citizens of a city or county. Why should they pay for the retirement of a criminal if he or she was posing as a cop while engaging in crime?

The former cop would still get SS payments, and the citizens of the city/county wouldn’t have to continue to pay money to someone who betrayed their community’s trust.

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Realeron t1_jdpem03 wrote

That's my beef with Republicans. If social security is taxpayer-funded, why is it labeled an entitlement that should be eliminated?

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christhomasburns t1_jdpromt wrote

Because it's a ponzi scheme where the beneficiaries are receiving multiples of what they paid in by taking what the current payers are putting in. It will be insolvent within 20 years.

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Thr0waway3691215 t1_jdsrqnh wrote

It's not a Ponzi scheme, Social Security actually has your money in an interest bearing investment.

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christhomasburns t1_jdtgf7c wrote

No, they promise to pay you interest, they do not hold it in any way. Current recipients are being payed out by current payers.

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Thr0waway3691215 t1_jdtmej7 wrote

Yes and no, a good chunk is disbursed, but the remainder is put into Treasury bonds. But even if all of the money went out to current recipients, that's still not a Ponzi scheme. At best, you could call Social Security underfunded in that case, but there's no attempt to defraud anyone.

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christhomasburns t1_jdyixdz wrote

That's the literal definition of a ponzi scheme, but you do you. Doesn't matter anyway. If you were born after 1980 it'll be insolvent by the time you retire.

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Thr0waway3691215 t1_jdyk21k wrote

No, it's really not, it's been paying out its obligations as promised. I get what you're trying to say, but that just makes it underfunded. There's nobody running off with all the money, it's going to people it's supposed to, so that immediately eliminates it being a Ponzi scam.

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Artanthos t1_jdr2lwq wrote

So, take away something that a police officer has been earning for a lifetime after being accused of a misdemeanor, but be damned if you can apply the same standard to me.

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Zeronaut81 t1_jdsc6ph wrote

If that officer is found guilty of a crime, yes. Why is that so hard to understand?

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Artanthos t1_jdsgvfx wrote

Glad you acknowledged the double standard.

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Zeronaut81 t1_jdshc5e wrote

It’s a double standard to not want to pay for a criminal who betrayed the public’s trust?

Why shouldn’t these people be held to a higher standard? Cops uphold the law, they shouldn’t be allowed to be above it.

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Artanthos t1_jdskh2e wrote

It’s a double standard to expect someone else to lose a retirement the have spent a lifetime paying into for a minor offense while everyone else gets to theirs.

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Zeronaut81 t1_jdskrsm wrote

This doesn’t sound like a minor offense.

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Artanthos t1_jduqk9v wrote

He was sharing information.

No information provided about what information or to whom.

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Zeronaut81 t1_jdus631 wrote

Well, it’s enough to know that whatever information he shared merits a criminal investigation. It’s super weird how some people just go to bat for the worst of us. It’s also weird seeing people rush to lick boots.

If this guy did nothing wrong, cool. But the fact that a criminal investigation has been opened on this guy immediately after retiring says that his pension should likely be at risk if he in fact did some crime.

We should expect better from those who wear the shield. Simple as that.

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Artanthos t1_jduu0fz wrote

It’s weird that you automatically assume it’s something major without any supporting information.

It could just as easily be leaking information to the press or something else minor. We don’t know, nothing has been divulged.

An investigation could find a potential crime, or it could clear him. We don’t know because the investigation has not happened.

Even if the investigation finds a potential crime, it still has to go to trial. You would impose punishment without a trial? Imagine the outrage if this was the other way around.

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Zeronaut81 t1_jduvjr0 wrote

Nope, I would just expect a person, regardless of their profession, would go to trial and defend themselves against a criminal accusation. If that person is found guilty, go from there.

All that I’m expecting is for this person to get treated like any other. And if this is being treated as a criminal investigation, that means that a crime has been suspected. This person possibly chose to act outside of legal areas in sharing that info. That info could have been used to harm others. Who knows what it was shared for, but it was deemed inappropriate enough to raise a criminal investigation.

A god-damned police captain shouldn’t be playing cute games. But let’s see what the investigation has to say, and what a trial in front of a jury of his peers would find.

That’s all that I want, no more people above the law.

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Artanthos t1_jdwyhd6 wrote

And a trial may, or may not, happen, depending upon the investigation results.

If so, he will answer for anything he may have done.

But that’s not the same thing as taking away a retirement he worked a lifetime for over an allegation.

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Muvseevum t1_jdqjc69 wrote

If you pay into a pension, you probably don’t pay into Social Security.

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Artanthos t1_jdr2uhz wrote

Depends on the pension.

I pay into both plus a 401k.

I have older coworkers with much better pension plans and no Social Security.

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ShyElf t1_jdo7z4c wrote

Brief writeup, but it sounds like he's being prosecuted for whistleblowing on police abuses.

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WestwoodRK0 t1_jdo9yfi wrote

Questionable since it doesn't mention the recipient

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EntertainedRUNot t1_jdp3x13 wrote

> The “property” listed with the counts include WPD DEA KNR reports, gang bulletins, WPD morning reports, WPD shooting reviews, WPD emails, an AXON (body cam) recording, a WPD information bulletin and a WPD Professional Standard Bureau document.

Doesn't seem questionable. Why else would he take or share information like this?

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christhomasburns t1_jdprs10 wrote

Probably to destroy evidence and cover up police abuses.

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SoftwarePatient5050 t1_jdq2rdq wrote

Bruh, are you under the impression that these are the only hand-written copies of these documents or something? You can't destroy a digital document by taking it.

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typing t1_jdqjjvh wrote

Separte from this, I think there are unfortunately a lot of older people who may not realize this.

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Tarroes t1_jdqpma6 wrote

>Separte from this, I think there are unfortunately a lot of older people who may not realize this.

Worked IT, can confirm

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HotSpicyDisco t1_jdqjnw2 wrote

I'm not a forensic computer expert... But wouldn't making copies of a thing make it harder to cover up?

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ForgetfulFrolicker t1_jdp4zw7 wrote

Why would he be prosecuted for that?

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tremere110 t1_jdpdmu8 wrote

Ask Edward Snowden

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Yitram t1_jdpsycw wrote

Because he also gave shit to China and Russia. Both countries likely picked his brains for everything he knew.

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NerveOk6614 t1_jdptwlm wrote

Snowden gave everything he had to American journalists and there is no evidence he gave anything to China or Russia.

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Yitram t1_jdrfo0n wrote

So you're telling me that the Russian and Chinese intelligence services didn't take advantage of an on the run former employee of the US IC on their territory? Cute that you think that.

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VoDoka t1_jdqe31n wrote

Ah... I had my hopes up for a second but should have known better...

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Ok-Ease7090 t1_jdq0aae wrote

Too little info to be sure but I think it’s going more corrupt than that.

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gdgriz t1_jdocaiv wrote

In most places charges are delayed so cops can retire and not lose benefits.

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Flexo-Specialist t1_jdohu5j wrote

Well that's disgusting

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gdgriz t1_jdoi83f wrote

Most of the time they don’t really have to. Because they are invariably found not guilty on reason of that they were a cop, and have privilege. So they sue, get their backpay plus money for mental anguish, pain and suffering. If they reach a deal with the town to keep their benefits they just go to another town and get a new job there.

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MakionGarvinus t1_jdoyq61 wrote

Yes, but if they 'retire' they are eligible for benefits. If they're 'fired' they aren't.

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SoftwarePatient5050 t1_jdq2xs6 wrote

That's not how pensions work. You don't lose it if you get fired. You're legally entitled to whatever you had vested in the system at the point you leave your employer. So whether he retired or was fired, he'd still get his pension.

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MakionGarvinus t1_jdqpug3 wrote

You're right. What am I thinking of, that cops get extra pay for if they quit/retire instead of being fired?

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bigFnNope t1_jdpqe0z wrote

In this case it is likely he is being charged for whistleblowing / sharing internal police information on police (likely to be bad behaviour) activities. So wise to not judge this case fully until the facts are in imho

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statslady23 t1_jdpz11d wrote

If he's retired, the police's attorneys may not have to defend him, where in retirement he'll have to pay for his own attorneys.

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gdgriz t1_jdqb3e9 wrote

There is also the union and the PBA which is their real strength. They handle media propaganda and political donations

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Morgenstern20 t1_jdpqz5b wrote

Considering what he was arrested for, I will reserve judgment for now.

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mattchinn t1_jdpu4s7 wrote

This sounds like he has information on someone and they want him punished for it.

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Takir0 t1_jdp92bu wrote

Damn...he was just one day into retirement too..

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jetbag513 t1_jdp0cph wrote

Full pension and bennies, of course.

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itsthreeamyo t1_jdpnusd wrote

That's insane. Don't they realize that once a LEO retires it basically absolves them of any crimes they committed while employed as a LEO?

Oh /s because it's probably needed there.

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bettinafairchild t1_jdr1oje wrote

The beauty is that being a non-retired LEO basically absolved them of any crimes they committed or will commit while employed as a LEO.

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Michblanch t1_jdq5ad4 wrote

This was a forced error. They didn’t want to arrest him.

If they wanted to then he would have been arrested before retirement. Now he keeps his pension.

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shewy92 t1_jdqoke4 wrote

Damn, he was -1 days from retirement.

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PreslerJames t1_jdrdxcv wrote

I had to stop reading this after the 10th mention of Fact Finder 12

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Cryonaut555 t1_jdqvte3 wrote

Should have left the country first.

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uofwi92 t1_jdo3zsl wrote

Good. Too many cops evade accountability by retiring.

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macross1984 t1_jdo35ju wrote

The former captain probably thought he got away. Surprise!

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