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TupperwareConspiracy OP t1_j0z906l wrote

Gist (I think?) is he drove from Georiga to Orlando on something of a whim with his gun and got pissed off when he couldn't book a room at a hotel; went to ammunition store - buys ammunition - comes back to resort and starts shooting...goes to another resort starts shooting...leaves / crashes his car / and gets picked up by the cops and confesses to crime

This coulda been about 1000x worse

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yadda_yadda_yadda_ha t1_j0z9ifj wrote

should've spent his time on Expedia rather than buying bullets and hurting people, idiot.

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FruitcakeAndCrumb t1_j0zde4z wrote

Why couldn't he do what none-attempty-murdery people do a write a 1* review on Yelp?

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fight_your_friends t1_j0zheou wrote

Not saying we should, but it's been very apparent that all of these shooters had prior red flags that were ignored. When the investigation into this guy gets going, how many friends or family members are gonna be saying they saw this coming?

So, aside from saying "just enforce the laws", how do we get the laws enforced?

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JazzlikeScarcity248 t1_j0zjr3u wrote

Why was he able to purchase ammunition so late in the evening?

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Drturner23 t1_j0zuonb wrote

He’s black. May change some shit now.

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Dreamincolr t1_j0zv6oc wrote

Dude looks like the one dude from Percy Jackson.

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SsurebreC t1_j100yto wrote

Yes but for the US that's just a Tuesday. If you mean Nice, France shooting then are you referring to the 2016 [incident]? Do you know how many shootings of the same caliber (pun intended) have happened in the US in Florida alone and just this year?

Here's school shootings alone.

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Freedom11Fries t1_j101ika wrote

Firearms are literally the leading cause of death for American children right now, eclipsing all other causes.

America saw more children killed in school shootings this fall than Nice has seen in the last fifty years put together.

Comparing these things just reminds us all how much better the rest of the first world has it than we do. Any kids growing up in Nice have a lot better chance at actually growing up than they do in a country where mentally ill people can easily and affordably buy assault rifles and ammunition in near unlimited quantities.

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Banea-Vaedr t1_j101t0z wrote

That doesn't change what kind of devastation is possible with a firearm vs, say, a truck.

And most kids dying to firearms shoot themselves or their siblings on accident. Mass shootings generally don't target them (unless they're gang-affiliated)

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LordFluffy t1_j102v1g wrote

Black Americans are one of the fastest rising groups for gun ownership in the US, have been for a while now, and I haven't heard about any RWNJ's changing their stance.

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Lastguyintheline t1_j104qkj wrote

Another responsible American gun owner. So many of them are in the news these days. Must make the NRA proud.

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Banea-Vaedr t1_j1050q9 wrote

>At least a truck can carry some groceries.

And a rifle can make some. Venison is delicious jf it's been tenderized on a car hood.

>We are really really familiar with how deadly these weapons are, and what effective mass-killing tools they were designed to be.

The rifling on an AR-15 isn't anywhere near the gold standard.

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Talmaska t1_j107gnl wrote

Getting a hand-gun in Canada is very difficult. My uncle got one in the '80's. The RCMP came to his house, checked out his bookshelf's, to see what he reads. Checked out his VHS tapes. Interviewed his neighbors and employer. When he got the licence he was only allowed to take it to the gun club and back home. That's it.

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ThaScoopALoop t1_j10ai80 wrote

As a business owner, I might prefer someone shooting up my business to answering a sniveling, insipid 1-star yelp review. Either way, it is some entitled moron just blasting away. At least put me out of my misery. /s

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dlc741 t1_j10dp73 wrote

Just another typical American gun owner... and the NRA and conservatives fought for his right to have an AR-15 because "reasons".

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calguy1955 t1_j10ewms wrote

Can we just call them assault type weapons? AR is a brand name and there are lots of models (more than 15). There are other manufacturers also.

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Isord t1_j10io0d wrote

The original post was comparing America to the rest of the developed world where car accidents are also much lower than America because America is a shithole.

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dofffman t1_j10js9k wrote

just watching coverage on the wisconsin active shooter. they are literally overlapping now.

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ArkyBeagle t1_j10k4sx wrote

That too. But the traffic death ratio has simply declined a bit faster and I (arbitrarily) picked the leading statistic. Peak traffic deaths US was 25.51 ( edit: per 100,000 ) in 1973 vs 2013's 10.40. 2.5ish is just a tad over <2.0 .

Traffic deaths are rising again as well :(

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Toaster_bath13 t1_j10l3em wrote

Does changing the name mean anything? Will gun nuts suddenly allow gun regulation because the correct term was used?

No?

K then.

Pointing out an irrelevant technicality shouldn't matter more to you than solving the problem.

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NoblePotatoe t1_j10pfj3 wrote

Compare 2000 to 2022, that will be a more fair comparison. The gains in road safety were alot less after 2000, most of the low hanging fruit was plucked in the 70s and 80s.

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ArkyBeagle t1_j10srss wrote

Oh, absolutely. I'm using the smallest number as a "we can do at least this well." A baseline.

I have to wonder if some of the increase in both gun deaths and traffic deaths has a common cause.

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ashlee837 t1_j10vumb wrote

Firearms are literally the leading cause of death for American children right now, eclipsing all other causes.

America saw more children killed in school shootings this fall than Nice has seen in the last fifty years put together.

Comparing these things just reminds us all how much better the rest of the first world has it than we do. Any kids growing up in Nice have a lot better chance at actually growing up than they do in a country where mentally ill people can easily and affordably buy assault rifles and ammunition in near unlimited quantities.

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Leering t1_j10wj7y wrote

I for one love having the government entering my home and judging what I read and watch. Just hope you don't get a racist or homophobic cop. Ahhh freedom

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eightNote t1_j10xehd wrote

I don't think you need the /s

The business owner gets big props when somebody shoots up their business.

Both in terms of donations and marketing. That Colorado brewery I'm sure gets tons more business now that the owner was involved in a mass shooting.

Vs getting a bad yelp review, which is likely to reduce your business

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eightNote t1_j10xn2j wrote

Plenty of the world has disease as the leading cause of death for children, and as a result, most parents have much less certainty that their kids will survive to adulthood.

America's isn't the worst problem to have, and really points at how much better Americans have it than most

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kuroimakina t1_j10yjbq wrote

And if it wasn’t cars it would be something else. It doesn’t stop this from being a stupid bad faith argument. Cars are meant to get you from point A to point B, require a permit, then practical training, then a license, plus insurance (in most states).

Guns are literally meant to destroy things. The vast majority are constantly engineered to be more and more efficient at killing. That is the entire point of their existence. Call it “defense” all you want, guns are literally built to kill, and it takes much less effort to get a gun than it takes to get a car.

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Rogendo t1_j113sql wrote

Two women in their twenties were shot. Sounds like an incel entered baby rage mode after getting rejected

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jumpyg1258 t1_j114cum wrote

"AR-15 style"... Can't you just say the weapon name instead of labeling these all after one type of model? There's a reason they have names, you know so people can describe what they are talking about aka the fundamentals of language.

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xAtlas5 t1_j116dpf wrote

Hardly a bad faith argument. If you care about banning so-called 'assault weapons' because of the number of children who die, then it tracks that you should also feel similarly about cars. Judging from your response, that's very clearly not the case. The means shouldn't matter if your goal is to reduce the number of children killed per year.

The entire point of a motor vehicle is to get from point A to point B. That's it. Whether it's driving down a road or plowing through a crowd, it's fulfilling its purpose. Both guns and cars require a human operator to use or misuse.

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xAtlas5 t1_j119f2y wrote

While it's bad, it isn't necessarily worse. I wonder if something happened in 2020-2021 which would result in fewer people driving places...

People use it as a convenient argument against firearm ownership and don't actually think about what the data means.

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kuroimakina t1_j11anka wrote

Did Tucker Carlson make this argument recently, because suddenly I’m hearing it nonstop from every frothing state the mouth gun nut.

But sure if you want to compare completely unrelated things, mosquitos kill a lot more people than both so let’s ban them right? And before you say “THATS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING” well so are guns and cars.

Get back to me when a gun requires taking an exam, getting a permit, then shooting only with a licensed instructor or firearm owner, then taking a practical test, then carrying liability insurance, with a license that can be revoked if you prove not responsible enough to handle it.

And don’t go pulling a “shall not be infringed.” Because the very first part of that amendment is “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State…”

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celtic1888 t1_j11b1gh wrote

Firearms have no utility aside from hunting or warfare. Anything not used for that is strictly a hobby

Cars on the other hand have a ton of utility

Also there are many more cars being used per minute than guns so they will obviously have a higher rate of fatalities

We also license, register and have compulsory insurance on motor vehicles. Those motor vehicles are also taken away from individuals who are not using them in the prescribed manner

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Maynard078 t1_j11ce44 wrote

Just another responsible American gun owner out there bein' all responsible 'n' shit.

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xAtlas5 t1_j11d100 wrote

I wouldn't know, I don't watch Fox or Tucker. I mean I'm not "frothing state" but you believe whatever you want to lol.

> mosquitos kill a lot more people than both so let’s ban them right?

Fuckin A, how can I help? Mosquitos not only are fucking annoying they kill ~700k people worldwide.

> Get back to me when a gun requires taking an exam, getting a permit, then shooting only with a licensed instructor or firearm owner, then taking a practical test, then carrying liability insurance, with a license that can be revoked if you prove not responsible enough to handle it.

Then I guess I'll never be getting back to you as you can't and shouldn't one to pass a test in order to exercise their rights. That is a very, very dangerous precedent. You remember Texas' abortion ban, and the way they effectively skirted a constitutionally protected right? That opened up a whole-ass can of worms that people can now use to attack other rights.

> “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State…”

Well regulated meaning functioning, in working order.

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xAtlas5 t1_j11e6fn wrote

> Firearms have no utility aside from hunting or warfare

Self defense is very much a valid reason. During the civil rights era firearms were used to defend against racist groups/lynch mobs by black communities. Fun fact: in some cases the police themselves even participated in the lynch mobs.

> Also there are many more cars being used per minute than guns so they will obviously have a higher rate of fatalities

And because of that, for literal decades motor vehicles have been the leading cause of death in children.

> Those motor vehicles are also taken away from individuals who are not using them in the prescribed manner

Vehicle ownership isn't a protected right, and one is only required to get insurance and licensing if operating on public roads. Registration, licensing, insurance, none of those things prevent people from misusing their cars to intentionally or otherwise harm others.

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Tentapuss t1_j11eb9c wrote

The way he reacted, I expect he’ll be in a psych ward for the rest of his natural life.

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IrishRage42 t1_j11hsrp wrote

If it's the source I saw I think it counted "children" to age 21 or 25. So if you count a child as someone up to 21 then yes firearms are the leading cause of death. I personally think that's disingenuous. A majority of that number are probably 16-21 year olds in gangs who are killed and not school shootings as a lot of people want to make it sound when they use that statistic.

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happyscrappy t1_j11whio wrote

There are a LOT of guns which are exactly AR-15s but not from Armalite/Colt. So they aren't AR-15s. They are AR-15 style guns.

I don't really think it's more communicative to say PA-15 if it's one particular brand. Then many people won't know what it was at all.

I don't see what's wrong with this.

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Divallo t1_j12lzjh wrote

Self defense have you heard of it?

Do you expect people to just call the police so america's notoriously violent and undertrained cops can use their firearms instead?

That is if they even show up. Fun fact they have zero legal obligation to protect or save anybody.

Which role do police fill in your opinion hunting, warfare, or hobbyist?

So you want to just pacify everyone in a society where healthcare costs a fortune and the police don't give a shit?

Or better yet just make citizens jump through countless financial hoops so that only rich people can have firearms because the poor just weren't oppressed enough as it is.

License (fee). Registration (fee). Insurance (huge expense)

Yeah I feel safe already...

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SohndesRheins t1_j12t3mk wrote

It's very easy to buy a car because you do not need to be licensed, insured, or much of anything just to own a car. A blind 14 year old can drive a car around on private land all they want.

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ZY_Qing t1_j12zcny wrote

Well now he has a room booked in jail

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-Cheezus_H_Rice- t1_j13ri6u wrote

Let’s talk about the typical American parent. Or the typical American alcoholic. Or thr typical American businessman. Or the typical American politician.

Read the news. We have socioeconomic, cultural, and health care problems in this country. Yes gun get involved, and the NRA is a shitty organization, but that’s not our “big problem”.

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dlc741 t1_j13v2i6 wrote

and yet, so many of these issues manifest themselves through gun violence -- but sure, let's just ignore mass shootings happening on an increasingly frequent basis because "guns aren't the problem"

I'm sure you believe that traffic problems aren't caused by cars.

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EsotericAbstractIdea t1_j13yyx8 wrote

That’s exactly what it is. They are lying about the definition of children for emotional manipulation. The number one killer of teens and young adults is suicide and gang violence. They lumped all 4 of these together so that they could say the number one killer of kids is guns. So evil.

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EsotericAbstractIdea t1_j13zptj wrote

Getting one legally is difficult. It’s easy to get a gun illegally anywhere in the world with an internet connection now, if you have like $500 USD total in disposable income. Ammo may be trickier in some places.

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EsotericAbstractIdea t1_j141cm8 wrote

We were born with the right to keep and bear arms. AR-15s have existed since the 1950s and were only banned from being manufactured during a 10 year period between 1994 and 2004. The pre-existing weapons were grandfathered in. Analysts have determined that the assault weapons ban had no effect on crime. We have always been fighting to keep that right, with or without the NRA.

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EsotericAbstractIdea t1_j143ycc wrote

In the gun world we do call them MSR’s. Some of the problem is that news media and entertainment media do not want to hear anything from us, and basically put forth a very warped view of everything involving guns. After becoming an ammosexual, I started noticing crazy shit in both the news and movies. Almost nobody follows gun safety rules in the movies, police routinely break gun safety rules, nomenclature is misused, mechanics are practically invented. It’s no wonder we have so many accidents, and ineffective laws, if that’s where you get your gun knowledge from.

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uglybudder t1_j144dfi wrote

I love how the media just latched on to ar-15 style rifle in every gun story involving a rifle. Gotta get those key words in for the algorithms

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SohndesRheins t1_j148ykf wrote

The stats in that article are nuts when it breaks it down by ethnicity and sex, especially when you compare black males to Hispanic or white females. Being a young black male child in the US is like being a refugee in Yemen, can't imagine what those neighborhoods look like.

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Divallo t1_j1498dt wrote

I'm stating how things already are. If people want a disarmed society they need to lay down groundwork for society to function that way and stop pretending it will be totally just like Europe overnight.

The order in which you handle America's gaping wounds matters because citizens need a real guarantee of their safety first before disarmament.

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EsotericAbstractIdea t1_j14iblk wrote

I'd like to believe in humanity's ability to remain civil in a situation of extreme scarcity, but history has already spoken. Yes, you're going to have to defend against thieves in hand to hand combat. As the aggressor, they will choose the time and place. It will begin with them having the upper hand.

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mtarascio t1_j14iq98 wrote

Gun control proponents are about control, not removal.

A situation like you said would not happen overnight and in times of end times, I would see a legitimate need. Right now there is not one and if you go for gun control such as what is in the rest of the developed world. You can still own one if you want, you just need to go through extra steps.

I'm a big fan of Australia's laws and have been hunting in Australia for pest wildlife just fine.

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EsotericAbstractIdea t1_j14jsxb wrote

When I hear someone say they don't want to take them, just make it a little more organized/civil/modern whatever, I always remember Canada, Australia, England. All of them started with registration, then piece by piece they banned and confiscated everything, one by one. They just recently ran an article demonizing and doxxing every owner of a bolt action hunting rifle in a state in Australia. Even if most gun grabbers only want a little gun control, there's always someone tomorrow who will want more. We've already lost too much, therefore, shall not be infringed.

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mtarascio t1_j14kj0z wrote

> then piece by piece they banned and confiscated everything, one by one

I lived Australia mate.

They had a single buyback of semi-autos. Nothing else really happened since then. There is no piece by piece.

You can own all the hunting weapons you desire.

Edit:

>They just recently ran an article demonizing and doxxing every owner of a bolt action hunting rifle in a state in Australia.

Wow, an article. As much credence as your post dude.

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mtarascio t1_j14m59c wrote

There was one more wholesale change in Hangguns in 2002 but the laws pretty much stayed stable with only minor changes to facilitate the initial intent.

Amnesties are not buybacks, just opportunities to comply with laws on the books.

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EsotericAbstractIdea t1_j14mfnv wrote

I didn't call it a buyback, because that is a misnomer. I called it a confiscation, which is what it is. The government didn't own the gun in the first place, so they can't buy it back. It's mandatory so it isn't a sale. It's a confiscation with a distraction.

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EsotericAbstractIdea t1_j14nmf8 wrote

con·fis·cate

/ˈkänfəˌskāt/

verb

take or seize (someone's property) with authority.

"the guards confiscated his camera"

Similar:

impound

seize

commandeer

requisition

appropriate

expropriate

take possession of

sequester

sequestrate

take away

take over

take

annex

distrain

attach

disseize

poind

Opposite:

return

take (a possession, especially land) as a penalty and give it to the public treasury.

"this land was confiscated after the Second World War"

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mtarascio t1_j14phz2 wrote

Which they do the same in the US when they find an illegal gun.

You don't say the US confiscates guns, you're trying to avoid that.

Confiscation would be cold knocking doors and conducting searches and seizing. None of that happened.

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EsotericAbstractIdea t1_j14pwhv wrote

That's exactly what I'm saying. Sure, here it's usually required to commit some other real crime for them to confiscate your guns. But it clearly definitely happens. I must have edited my previous post after you clicked it. Please check it.

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JazzlikeScarcity248 t1_j14qk9s wrote

But you brought up the sale of alcohol when we were talking about guns. You brought up all that stuff, so should i have just not addressed it, called you a straw man, and shut down the conversation like you have done? Probably lol. Also Florida is a nanny state, the "don't say gay" bill and the crusade against CRT are only things a nanny state would do. Anyway I still don't understand why a suggestion for a time limit for ammunition purchases offended so many of you.

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EsotericAbstractIdea t1_j14roxw wrote

The liquor store thing was an analogy. A commonly held belief is that drinking before noon or 2pm signifies a problem. If you had a 9-5 job and a sleep schedule that matched, I would probably agree. Being day drunk is weird. But there's people with different schedules. What if dude got off work at 2 am, and felt like going hunting at 4 am? A lot of animals are crepuscular, and the break of dawn is a good time to get a LOT of different species. I thought that no ammo time idea is super strange. As if anything you think of after dark is by default more evil than what you think of during the day.

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dlc741 t1_j14u06e wrote

"Analysts have determined that the assault weapons ban had no effect on crime."

What analysts? Which crimes? Are you saying that banning assault weapons had no effect on car theft? Why are you making up imaginary studies comparing apples and oranges?

It's clear that you simply have no honor.

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-Cheezus_H_Rice- t1_j15p2ck wrote

So from your analogy we should get rid of cars to reduce traffic?

It’s a fantastic demonstration that problems are complicated, and thus so are solutions. Sure ban cars to reduce traffic, that will go over well. Or we could look at what problems actually cause traffic? Poor alternative methods of commuting? COVID’s affect on carpooling and public transportation? Poor road infrastructure and city planning?

I’m not saying there aren’t gun control problems, but let’s address those along with the other things that are at play here. In this case, the guy obviously had a screw loose, as do so many others that act out. How do we identify and treat these people before they snap?

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Freedom11Fries t1_j15u1ii wrote

>can't imagine what those neighborhoods look like.

They look like your neighborhood. Or my neighborhood. There's no "look" for gun violence or people shooting kids in America. It's as close as Uvalde or Parkland, or the Mall, the movie theater, your church, your synagogue, your women's health clinic, or your grocery store.

People naturally want to look for patterns to make themselves feel better, to say "well it can't happen to me, because I live in a "safe" place." But in the US, random shootings, domestic violence, and mass shootings happen everywhere. We've literally got more guns than people.

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SohndesRheins t1_j16meux wrote

No, these things do not happen everywhere, it's actually rather easy to see exactly where they happen. All those Chicago shootings only happen in certain areas. Saint Louis' shootings happen in very specific areas too.

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SohndesRheins t1_j16xoaq wrote

Not sure why you are mentioning Boulder and Colorado Springs. Boulder doesn't have a high violent crime rate, but its property crime rate is 50% higher than thebrest of the country and it's not surprising that violent crime will happen there. Colorado Springs has a high property crime rate, but it also has a very high violent crime rate, so no shit you have a lot of shootings there. Colorado Springs has a violent crime rate 50% higher than the rest of the country combined, so how you count that as being evidence that shootings happen everywhere is beyond me. No, shootings don't happen everywhere, they happen in places with lots of property crime and violent crime, and Colorado Springs has both of those.

As far as Chicago, go look at a map of the shootings and see what areas they happen in. Those shootings don't happen in the areas with low crime rates.

I live in the country near a small town of 12,000 where the only crime issues are drugs and bad checks. A week ago there was a homicide here that was ruled as a self-defense shooting, and it was huge news because no homicide had happened in the county in a couple years. Shootings are not a problem here because we don't have many people, don't have many breaking and entering or robbery crimes, and we don't have many assaults either. No mass shooting has ever happened in my county as far back as anyone has kept data. Again, shootings do not happen everywhere, they happen in highly populated areas that also have high crime rates. You can claim that Boulder and Colorado Springs are quiet, rich cities all you want but the stats say that lots of crime happens there.

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