Comments

You must log in or register to comment.

totallyclips OP t1_j1cm6wf wrote

here's a digest of the 1/6 report so you don't have to read the whole 845 pages - conclusion in real terms trump is a traitor

72

macross1984 t1_j1cmuv5 wrote

Trump committed so many criminal acts that surely he will be ranked the worst president elected.

100

UrbanIndy t1_j1cnkgy wrote

Replying to totallyclips (#1,019,875)

Real test for the U.S. on what do with trump, if it's treason doesn't that mean death penalty? Or would they haul him off to Colorado Supermax prison. As well what about his buddies and enablers, surely they don't get off with a warning.

20

fantasypingpong t1_j1cxg0g wrote

Damage is done, which is denial by 30% of the country and apathy from another 30%.

I don’t know how we recover unless there are actual, harsh consequences.

28

yun-harla t1_j1cye5e wrote

Replying to UrbanIndy (#1,019,946)

Trump isn’t going to be charged with treason. It’s not one of the charges the J6 committee recommended, and it’s unlikely to apply in this circumstance. (But treason doesn’t have to be punished by death.)

17

I_PULL_LEGS t1_j1d0sdx wrote

Woah. Those bullet points are extremely damming.

Edit. I'm not sure how much of this is editorialized/paraphrased feom the actual report but here is a copy/paste for those who don't follow the link:

>1. Beginning on election night and continuing through 6 January and thereafter, President Donald Trump purposely disseminated false allegations of fraud related to the 2020 presidential election in order to aid his effort to overturn the election and for purposes of soliciting contributions. These false claims provoked his supporters to violence on January 6.

>2. Knowing that he and his supporters had lost dozens of election lawsuits, and despite his own senior advisers refuting his election fraud claims and urging him to concede his election loss, Trump refused to accept the lawful result of the 2020 election. Rather than honor his constitutional obligation to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed”, Trump instead plotted to overturn the election outcome.

>3. Despite knowing that such an action would be illegal, and that no state had or would submit an altered electoral slate, Trump corruptly pressured vice-president Mike Pence to refuse to count electoral votes during Congress’s joint session on January 6.

>4. Trump sought to corrupt the US Department of Justice by attempting to enlist department officials to make purposely false statements and thereby aid his effort to overturn the presidential election. After that effort failed, Trump offered the position of acting attorney general to Jeff Clark knowing that Clark intended to disseminate false information aimed at overturning the election.

>5. Without any evidentiary basis and contrary to state and federal law, Trump unlawfully pressured state officials and legislators to change the results of the election in their states.

>6. Trump oversaw an effort to obtain and transmit false electoral certificates to Congress and the National Archives.

>7. Trump pressured members of Congress to object to valid slates of electors from several states.

>8. Trump purposely verified false information filed in federal court.

>9. Based on false allegations that the election was stolen, Trump summoned tens of thousands of supporters to Washington for January 6. Although these supporters were angry and some were armed, Donald Trump instructed them to march to the Capitol on January 6 to “take back” their country.

>10. Knowing that a violent attack on the Capitol was under way and knowing that his words would incite further violence, Trump purposely sent a social media message publicly condemning vice-president Pence at 2.24pm on January 6.

>11. Knowing that violence was underway at the Capitol, and despite his duty to ensure that the laws are faithfully executed, Trump refused repeated requests over a multiple-hour period that he instruct his violent supporters to disperse and leave the Capitol, and instead watched the violent attack unfold on television. This failure to act perpetuated the violence at the Capitol and obstructed Congress’s proceeding to count electoral votes.

>12. Each of these actions by Trump was taken in support of a multi-part conspiracy to overturn the lawful results of the 2020 presidential election.

>13. The intelligence community and law enforcement agencies did successfully detect the planning for potential violence on January 6, including planning specifically by the Proud Boys and Oath Keeper militia groups who ultimately led the attack on the Capitol. As January 6 approached, the intelligence specifically identified the potential for violence at the US Capitol. This intelligence was shared within the executive branch, including with the Secret Service and the president’s National Security Council.

>14. Intelligence gathered in advance of January 6 did not support a conclusion that Antifa or other leftwing groups would likely engage in a violent counterdemonstration or attack Trump supporters on January 6. Indeed, intelligence from January 5 indicated that some left-wing groups were instructing their members to “stay at home” and not attend on January. Ultimately, none of these [leftwing] groups was involved to any material extent with the attack on the Capitol on January 6.

>15. Neither the intelligence community nor law enforcement obtained intelligence in advance of January 6 on the full extent of the ongoing planning by president Trump, John Eastman, Rudolph Giuliani and their associates to overturn the certified election results. Such agencies apparently did not (and potentially could not) anticipate the provocation Trump would offer the crowd in his Ellipse speech, that Trump would “spontaneously” instruct the crowd to march to the Capitol, that Trump would exacerbate the violent riot by sending his 2.24pm tweet condemning Pence, or the full scale of the violence and lawlessness that would ensue. Nor did law enforcement anticipate that Trump would refuse to direct his supporters to leave the Capitol once violence began. No intelligence community advance analysis predicted exactly how Trump would behave; no such analysis recognized the full scale and extent of the threat to the Capitol on January 6.

>16. Hundreds of Capitol and DC Metropolitan police officers performed their duties bravely on January 6, and America owes those individual immense gratitude for their courage in the defense of Congress and our constitution. Without their bravery, January 6 would have been far worse. Although certain members of the Capitol Police leadership regarded their approach to January as “all hands on deck,” the Capitol Police leadership did not have sufficient assets in place to address the violent and lawless crowd. Capitol Police leadership did not anticipate the scale of the violence that would ensue after Trump instructed tens of thousands of his supporters in the Ellipse crowd to march to the Capitol, and then tweeted at 2.24pm. Although Chief Steven Sund raised the idea of National Guard support, the Capitol Police board did not request Guard assistance prior to January 6. The Metropolitan Police took an even more proactive approach to January 6 and deployed roughly 800 officers, including responding to the emergency calls for help at the Capitol. Rioters still managed to break their line in certain locations, when the crowd surged forward in the immediate aftermath of Trump’s 2.24pm tweet. The Department of Justice readied a group of federal agents at Quantico and in the District of Columbia, anticipating that January 6 could become violent, and then deployed those agents once it became clear that police at the Capitol were overwhelmed. Agents from the Department of Homeland Security were also deployed to assist.

>17. Trump had authority and responsibility to direct deployment of the National Guard in the District of Columbia, but never gave any order to deploy the National Guard on January 6 or on any other day. Nor did he instruct any federal law enforcement agency to assist. Because the authority to deploy the National Guard had been delegated to the Department of Defense, the secretary of defense could, and ultimately did, deploy the Guard. Although evidence identifies a likely miscommunication between members of the civilian leadership in the Department of Defense impacting the timing of deployment, the committee has found no evidence that the Department of Defense intentionally delayed deployment of the National Guard. The Select Committee recognizes that some at the department had genuine concerns, counselling caution, that Trump might give an illegal order to use the military in support of his efforts to overturn the election.

235

zachmandu t1_j1d39h3 wrote

The report reiterated what we’ve all known for quite some time. The real impact will be what- if anything- will come of this. If nothing, then it will serve as an implicit invitation to try again. I’m growing more impatient/concerned that we see a constant roll of “omg Trump did this, republicans did that” but almost nothing about holding these people accountable. I’m hoping 2023 is the year.

45

outerworldLV t1_j1d8et2 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,020,687)

That 30% barely has the foresight into the next week. Give up any hope of that group thinking about the actual outcome for the ‘ I want it NOW ‘ way they think. Reactionary w/o any cause other than ‘ look at me ! I sound like I know what’s up !! ‘.

8

N8CCRG t1_j1dabye wrote

The one small complaint I have is I think they weight the actual attack too heavily. And I get it, that's the part that's easiest to get the most people to comprehend, but it's not the most important aspect of the whole story. The actual story is the months' long work commited by a whole team of conspirators to try to find a way to over turn the election. Including getting people to swear and submit as fake electors and the attempt to use the chaos of January 6th to get those fake electors to replace the actual electors.

The attack on January 6th wasn't the problem, it was the finish line.

94

echoshizzle t1_j1di8at wrote

Replying to N8CCRG (#1,021,712)

I agree with this. I don’t know that the committee made it clear enough for average people to understand this. Then again, I’m convinced most of this country doesn’t care and just wants to watch the masked singer instead.

32

Hemicrusher t1_j1dk86a wrote

All fake!!! The bigger story, is Hunter's laptop and dick pics.

/s

8

Cloaked42m t1_j1dluhu wrote

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/22/politics/full-jan-6-report/index.html

The full report for those who want to read it.

There are more witness transcripts to be released, as well as all of the evidence gathered.

All of which is being turned over to the Department of Justice.

Edit: Fox News has absolutely nothing on the report. This is particularly damning because just a few years ago I could get raw data from Fox News Online faster than I could CNN.

12

billpalto t1_j1dp5fp wrote

A large conspiracy with many people and lots of moving parts. Even today, many Republicans support Trump, despite the obvious corruption and criminality. Or perhaps because of it.

None of the planners and leaders have even been charged, while many of the bottom-level operatives are already in prison with multiple year sentences.

6

its_coo_baby t1_j1dqubs wrote

It's cool too because his supporters are still in Congress. Imagine supporting an attempt to over throw the government and still be allowed to hold that much power. Fucking wild!

41

zachmandu t1_j1e1v1f wrote

Replying to BadMedAdvice (#1,024,327)

Haha. Holding your breath that long definitely is bad medical advice. A part of me hopes that the DOJ is just lurking in tall grass waiting for the right time to strike. The other part of me fears everyone is going to walk. Like the person above said- surely the referrals can’t go unanswered. We will find out soon enough.

3

EmotionalSuportPenis t1_j1e29gy wrote

Replying to Rickshmitt (#1,021,068)

Buchanan's leadership, or more correctly his near total lack of leadership, is generally cited as one of the primary contributing factors to the outbreak of the Civil War. He refused to take a stance either way or undertake any action on the question of slavery at a critical moment in American history, deliberately kicking the can down the road to whoever was president after him, which turned out to be Lincoln. By the time Lincoln took office, years of inaction had allowed tensions to spiral out of control and effectively guaranteed the occurrence of the Civil War, when careful statesmanship years earlier may have prevented the worst.

Nobody's taking Buchanan's spot at the bottom until they manage to split the country in half and get 2% of the American population killed in an armed conflict again, which would be 6.7 million people right now.

22

Odd-Neighborhood5119 t1_j1e2n32 wrote

They keep saying that trump want to overthrow the election. Speak the truth, he want to overthrow the government and that is treason.

15

cantuse t1_j1e3fi5 wrote

Replying to Professional-Can1385 (#1,021,602)

A lot of historians rank a President based on their abilities to execute their office and their impact on the country relative to their place in US and world history. Jackson tends to get high ratings because of his impact on things like central banking, the spoils system, how he changed the significance of the executive branch. He may have been an ugly person but he was able to find ways to achieve a lot of his goals.

4

Liesmith424 t1_j1e4lr2 wrote

And just think: if the idiot had treated COVID as seriously as he should have, he might've just won the election legitimately.

12

Pyroguy096 t1_j1e93u2 wrote

Replying to Galifrey224 (#1,019,919)

The federal penalty for treason according to 18 U.S.C subsection 2381 is: a person guilty of treason against the United States "shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title, but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States

That last part is the real winner. 5+ years in prison and a $10,000 fine is nothing, and death is ridiculously unlikely considering they wouldn't want to make a literal martyr of him. But never being able to hold office again? That's pretty sweet.

8

icematt12 t1_j1ecnho wrote

I knew bad things were done but just wow. Each point no doubt backed by multiple sources/evidence.

On 16 though, with the different actions taken in advance by organisations, is this an example of poor communication between organisations? Or just poor planning/leadership within certain organisations?

2

N8CCRG t1_j1ej816 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,023,669)

It's also important to recognize how much of that was actually revealed by the investigation and was unknown prior to it. For example, the fake electors conspiracy, which is really the more dire part of it all.

33

N8CCRG t1_j1eji1q wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,022,320)

> There is without a doubt enough evidence against trump.

And not just Trump, but several co-conspirators: Eastman, Chesebro, Meadows and Giuliani. Almost certainly there could be more like the ones that you mentioned and others (in particular Jordan, McCarthy, Biggs and Perry) but so many pleaded the fifth or refused subpoenas that it's not airtight at the moment.

4

Hypershroom t1_j1etupo wrote

Trump 2024! That’s how many years in prison he should get, two thousand and twenty four.

4

Yukisuna t1_j1evdqy wrote

It took an entire year?

If the US was ever invaded most Americans probably wouldn’t even hear the news until the new government took over.

3

i_love_pencils t1_j1evjsa wrote

Replying to Hypershroom (#1,027,699)

You can quote me on this…

Trump will agree to not run for public office in exchange for no charges. He will live happily ever after in Mar A Lago, while claiming it was all a witch hunt.

Bonus - His cronies will be emboldened and try an other insurrection.

6

Liet-Kinda t1_j1f1iub wrote

  1. Jesus Christ, this guy sucks so much. Just, god dammit, what a piece of shit, please take us seriously on this point
0

vitico1 t1_j1g3xzc wrote

Freaking done with all "hese "reports" nothing will happen to this guy, stop pretending like anything will come from all of this.

−5

Jasmine1742 t1_j1g7rv1 wrote

Replying to Professional-Can1385 (#1,027,210)

Let's not kid ourselves, the American goal of ethnic cleansing. Alot of Americans wanted him to do what he did.

Jackson tends to get rated highly for being a populist who did alot of important reforms while in office. This most noticiably doesn't mean he was a good person.

4

Jasmine1742 t1_j1g826w wrote

Replying to Pyroguy096 (#1,025,533)

Tbf it's usually death or life in practice.

Especially for sedition when actually prosecuted and the other can if worms with him almost definitely leaking state nuclear secrets.

Pretty much every case with similar efforts had way worse consequences.

4

0zymandeus t1_j1httru wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,023,669)

No it wont. Donald Trump Jr literally posted emails of his communications with a russian agent regarding hacked emails during the 2016 campaign on Twitter, but Republicans have gaslit themselves into believing "Russiagate was a hoax"

1