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thieh t1_j56znz1 wrote

Do they have to use the term schoolmate?

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NomDePlume007 t1_j570biq wrote

Horrific crimes, to be sure, it sounds he deserves every year of that, and more.

One thing I didn't see any note of in the article was the college's role in keeping students safe. Tuition and fees for one year at Sarah Lawrence is over $80,000. The guy was running a prostitution ring out of a dorm. No culpability at all?

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bartleby999 t1_j571er1 wrote

One women became a sex worker and gave him 2.5 Million over 4 years. Wtf?

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EvenSpoonier t1_j571n0w wrote

Sentence exceeds mean life expectancy by more than five standard deviations. Acceptable. I wonder what parole eligibility looks like.

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TechyDad t1_j5743rc wrote

Replying to AtheistComic (#1,420,573)

Yeah, I'd expect that this would fall under civil charges instead of criminal charges unless prosecutors could prove that the college not only knew that he was living there, but exactly what was going on there. That would be difficult to prove in a criminal case, but civil cases have a lower bar to clear.

Plus, every affected parent/student could sue. I wouldn't want to be in any position of responsibility in that college over the next few years.

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FungusFly t1_j5763fx wrote

But pastors get off easy for being “men of god”. Our justice system is a joke.

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Asoto408 t1_j57874z wrote

Nobody noticed a grown ass man in the dorm?

  • I was just under the impression they have a person to regulate the activity in the dorm to make sure things like this don’t happen*
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RuggedAmerican t1_j578erg wrote

this is like the shrink next door but way worse. wow.

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cmVkZGl0 t1_j57efvb wrote

>An indictment and prosecutors alleged he targeted students after he moved into his daughter’s on-campus dormitory with her roommates around 2010, when they were sophomores, and began "therapy" sessions with some of the students under the ruse that he was going to help them with their psychological problems.

What in the world? The college is directly responsible for these crimes. They were housing him and you know there must have been a litany of complaints. And for 10+ years!? Yeah, they knew about it.

>Attorneys for victim Santos Rosario said the judge’s sentence "reflects the immeasurable harm" Ray inflicted on his targets.

Oh, I bet. The only harm he cares about is the harm to his own life now that he's going to be behind bars.

Also, the headline is convoluted. This is how it should read: Man who sex trafficked and extorted students of Sarah Lawrence College gets 60 years. There's no need to put daughters or schoolmates in the title.

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snorlz t1_j57fk40 wrote

what the fuck is this story? I have more questions than answers

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r0botdevil t1_j57h75d wrote

Fuck yeah, drop the hammer on this dirtbag.

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BloodBonesVoiceGhost t1_j57r2p3 wrote

Replying to Martholomeow (#1,421,180)

> if not off campus then the campus isn’t really a closed campus. More like an area in the neighborhood that owns a lot of property. No gates.

...what college campus has gates? I am not saying that there are zero that fully gate their property, but I have never seen this at a college. I really think you are thinking of private high schools and preparatory schools.

There are a million reasons why it wouldn't make sense to try to gate off an entire college campus:

-Colleges host regular events for the community: sporting events, plays, traveling speakers, concerts. People have to be able to come and go as a variety of events are taking place all day long all across campus.

-Delivery drivers need to be able to reach dorms.

-You have visiting alumni and prospective students or teachers showing up all year-round.

-Staff that can number in the tens of thousands.

-Many students have cars, and unlike private schools or prep schools, they need to be able to come and go whenever they want.

-Many colleges have shuttles that ferry students around campus or off-campus to certain places.

-You frequently have unrelated, third-party businesses in the middle of campuses: think Subway, pizza places, coffee shops, art galleries, book stores.

-On top of all of that, a lot of college campuses (like my two alma maters for instance) are growing fast. New buildings being built, purchased or repurposed almost every year. You think they would want to totally relocate a giant fence a few times a year?

It just makes no sense for college campuses to be fully gated off... and I have never personally seen one that was.

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yeroc420 t1_j580roo wrote

Anyone who hurts or takes advantage of kids should get the maximum penalty.

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screamsinbold t1_j581b15 wrote

One of the most disturbing and bizarre cases I ever came across. Noor Jasmine does a great video on this subject on yt.

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Appropriate_Tip_8852 t1_j583m2g wrote

You can get away with a lot of terrible shit if you are willing. Most people would never. Most would never even think of it.

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Karenomegas t1_j583wf9 wrote

Replying to snorlz (#1,421,422)

Friend of a spook from the 70s knew cult techniques and used them. Classic stuff y'know?

Edit: Sorry bout that. I live in the PNW so some of the more esoteric racial terms have eluded me. And its weird to start drawing strings to MkUltra in public usually. But in this case the guy loved to talk about his background in the CIA and yadda yadda Jim Jones and Charlie. Hell, even Leary said the company were the best people he ever worked with.

Anyways, this guy is real fond of saying he had Jim Jones (type) training from the same batch of yahoos outta the bay and they seem mad at him for it more than normal bad men. Good for society, bad for guy who should have led self help seminars.

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fuxxociety t1_j58arie wrote

Replying to Karenomegas (#1,422,978)

friendly suggestion, you may want to reword that statement..

Maybe it was meant to be a joke, but it reads like old southern racism. Jus' sayin.

Edit. I'm an idiot. please disregard.

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PM_me_ur_claims t1_j58f02w wrote

Replying to Schenkspeare (#1,423,527)

Higher end escorts i guess. Think how much money the people that would hire these have to throw around and how much more they’d pay for an advantage taken college student vs a street walker. I’m just picturing shieks like in taken

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pninardor t1_j58g67v wrote

It sounds like he ruined his daughter's relationship with her mother and sister as well. I wonder if TR now sees her father for who he really is.

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SplashGal t1_j58ifhc wrote

I will watch the shit out of the eventual Hulu series starring Billy Zane.

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fakerjohn t1_j58j2o9 wrote

Replying to TechyDad (#1,420,689)

The dad was living in the dorm?

Alright, I’ll read it but it better not have a paywall or obnoxious ads.

Edit: ok yeah that is a very sad and totally bonkers story, one of those “how did no one stop that” stories.

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impy695 t1_j58jm9f wrote

Replying to PM_me_ur_claims (#1,423,633)

I'd think it'd be the opposite. At that amount I'd be expecting someone who is working of their own free will. Kind of like how you pay more for products made in countries with fair labor laws instead of those that use slave labor.

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RyVsWorld t1_j58m2ym wrote

Replying to Asoto408 (#1,420,965)

I’m wondering the same. I remember when the initial story broke and I’m still very confused how this whole thing came to be. It’s just such a bizarre and sad story.

I remember being in college and i can’t think of any of my classmates that would be cool with an adult living in their dorm. Just all around so weird

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CaptBreeze t1_j58mcxw wrote

I have SO many questions. Where were the students parents in all this? They didn't notice the $50-100k missing from their tuitions?

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aroc91 t1_j58muwv wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,424,112)

I've been to a ton of colleges and universities in WI, IL, and TX and none of them have had globally restricted entry to the campus. Some have parking lots that are gated off after hours and stuff like that, but not wholly closed or even close.

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aroc91 t1_j58o0jh wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,424,199)

I was originally simply responding to your assertion "Almost all campuses are gated", which was a bit of a bold claim and entirely contrary to my own experience, not denying there are gated campuses.

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BloodBonesVoiceGhost t1_j58o7nq wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,424,169)

It's not an East Coast thing. I went to school in Massachusetts, and interviewed at schools in Maine and New Hampshire. Visited friends at Dartmouth, Brown, George Washington, American. Went to sports competitions at Whitman, Reed, Pacific, Gonzaga, Stanford (on the west coast). None of them are gated. Gating an entire college campus would make no fucking sense (except maybe in very rare exceptions). You seem to not understand how large many colleges and universities are.

Can you show some pictures or provide some examples or evidences of schools that are fully gated?

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aroc91 t1_j58ob8v wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,424,224)

The issue is you made a pretty absolute claim that most colleges are gated. I'm not looking for an argument, just pointing out where you painted yourself into a corner. Peace.

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BloodBonesVoiceGhost t1_j58p108 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,424,169)

Which other colleges have you been to that have this? Since you have been to so many that do. I really believe you that some do, but there's just no way that it's the norm. No way. I have been to schools in huge cities, tiny towns, mid-sized cities. It just isn't practical to gate a massive school and direct all traffic through an individual gate. Most college campuses are bustling hubs of activity, with people coming and going all day long. It just doesn't make logistical sense to throttle traffic at a gate around the entire thing (rather than, for instance, having card readers on individual doors on individual buildings).

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Caster-Hammer t1_j58pfu1 wrote

Replying to NomDePlume007 (#1,420,429)

The dude is horrible and the dorm resident assistants must have known he was there. Fuck all of them, and I'm glad this guy is dying in jail.

One stat stands out, almost worthy of r/theydidthemath :

>She became a sex worker to try to pay reparations to him, giving him $2.5 million over four years in installments that averaged $10,000 to $50,000 a week.

That is an astounding amount of sex work, if she was not dipping into family money. How did she have time for school?

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BloodBonesVoiceGhost t1_j58pghz wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,424,295)

...so are you just talking about swiping an ID card to enter a building??? Because that is pretty clearly not what the rest of us are talking about.

Yes, obviously needing ID cards to access certain buildings is common. (And I bet that even on the campuses you've talked about, there are certain buildings that certain times of day require no ID to access... eg the student union building or the administration offices).

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RyVsWorld t1_j58phyg wrote

Replying to TheCzar11 (#1,422,577)

Holy shit. I am still speechless this that this went down. Even after reading that, im completely baffled that college aged and law school aged adults fell for this. And then the school, law enforcement and parents were so ineffective.

And OF COURSE this guy rubbed shoulders with Guiliani and Trump associates. Of course, you cant make it up.

I also didn’t see any consequences for the guy chen his landlord who participated in the sexual assault

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BloodBonesVoiceGhost t1_j58prz2 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,424,318)

Okay then no. That's not remotely common.

You think a university of ~50,000 students like University of Michigan can hire 4,000+ security guards to stand at all entrances at all hours of the day???

And it certainly isn't common at smaller private schools like my alma mater or Sarah Lawrence (both of which have student bodies around 1500).

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BloodBonesVoiceGhost t1_j58qa64 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,424,344)

It totally does make sense for some campuses in rougher parts of some cities to do this. I didn't know that any did, but now that you share it, and I have clicked into your link, I can see how it makes perfect sense for some schools. Thank you for sharing your experience. It's cool that we both got to learn something today.

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NomDePlume007 t1_j58qkyq wrote

Replying to Caster-Hammer (#1,424,310)

There must have been more to the story. A (series?) of almost-Ivy League college students are convinced by this rat turd to pay him reparations? For ostensibly poisoning him?

Uh... no. All it would take is one of these women to call the family lawyer, or have her mom call them, and this would all be over.

And to have this scheme continue once he'd moved to NYC? I can only guess that his law enforcement connections were somehow involved, to keep these women in line.

Just sounds way too hinky.

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meatball77 t1_j58v4bk wrote

Replying to Asoto408 (#1,420,965)

Oh, it's worse. There were complaints, I think from one of the parents and they said they couldn't do anything about it because visitors are allowed.

The University is at fault for this. They did not protect the young adults in their care.

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Eyfordsucks t1_j58vyzf wrote

Replying to Asoto408 (#1,424,601)

Same here. It seems they were a bunch of sophomores in an expensive fancy school away from home and a psychopath moved in under the guise of “visiting his daughter for a night” and then made himself indispensable by grooming them and he never left. He bought them good food, and took over and dictated all social interactions in the dorm. He presented himself as an unconditionally loving parental figure these kids craved. He even researched ways to use cult control methods. They didn’t know what to expect or avoid and didn’t want to upset the status quo (perfect situation for a predator).

Administration and the Dean of students where notified by parents and at least one student. Sarah Lawrence claims allegations weren’t investigated because the dorm was a “private apartment”. Public records reflect it was a registered dorm at the time of the incident.

As soon as real trouble seemed to be brewing he moved them all into his apartment.

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Teantis t1_j58yzos wrote

Replying to aroc91 (#1,424,191)

I went to college in the east coast. Visiting friends at other schools all up and down the east coast. I've never seen a gated campus, like the whole campus.

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Eyfordsucks t1_j5907b6 wrote

Replying to Eyfordsucks (#1,424,670)

It took six years for the owner of the apartment to get an eviction through the courts. He was a friend of Larry Ray who let him crash in his manhattan apartment thinking it was temporary. Larry brought along a cult and never paid rent while destroying the apartment and relying on squatters rights to keep him housed.

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AirborneRodent t1_j594efl wrote

Replying to NomDePlume007 (#1,424,383)

You're assuming they were doing this against their will. From what I remember the last time this case made headlines, this was one of those guys with crazy amounts of charisma; he basically brainwashed them all into his own personal sex cult. Like a modern day Charlie Manson.

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s1227 t1_j594txq wrote

Andrew Tate in America

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BloodBonesVoiceGhost t1_j5978ac wrote

Replying to Dangerous_Golf_7417 (#1,425,099)

Hmmm, I swear I walked through Harvard's campus in Cambridge in 2006 when I visited my friend in Boston, but if you say so, sure.

EDIT: I just googled it and Harvard is spread across three distinct campuses across Boston and has 15 museums that claim to be open to the public and they have a self-guided tour that you can activate online as your peruse their Cambridge campus.

I swear you guys are mistaking the tiniest parts of these massive universities' "campuses" as their entire campus... it's a little silly.

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Dangerous_Golf_7417 t1_j597fvm wrote

Replying to BloodBonesVoiceGhost (#1,425,144)

Like I said, they only close the gates for major events (graduation, VIPs on campus, etc--i wasn't there but I think they also locked down during the Boston Bomber search). 99% of the time it's open to the public who walk through one of 10 or so open gates to get to the museums, statues, etc. And I'm talking about Harvard College, which contains most undergrad classrooms and dorms and is most relevant to this article, not the med school across the river or anything. Hope you enjoyed the campus tour!

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BloodBonesVoiceGhost t1_j597oox wrote

Replying to Dangerous_Golf_7417 (#1,425,156)

My bad! I read too quickly and I thought you said they have it gated except for major events. (ie your first sentence was "it is mostly gated" and I skimmed after that.) I guess I could see that they would have more than enough resources to shut down access to campus for major events. That does make total sense.

Thanks for clarifying!!

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total_looser t1_j59gdpj wrote

Replying to PM_me_ur_claims (#1,423,633)

It’s just relative. Imagine you make 100k/year, $8,000 is a lot. But $800 is in reach, still spendy for say a dinner. But a lot of people, A LOT, clear 1mm/ year. So that’s like you at 100k spending 80 for dinner. ALOT of people make like 3 or 5 mill/year. See now its like you getting chipotle.

Tldr you dont have to be crazy rich to spend 8000 without much thought.

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Small-Explorer7025 t1_j59w2lf wrote

I read the article and watched the news clip. Um, what?...How?...What? It started bonkers and got more and more bonkers.

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robreddity t1_j59xx9e wrote

Replying to NomDePlume007 (#1,420,429)

> Sarah Lawrence College said in a statement Tuesday that it had just learned of the indictment. "The charges contained in the indictment are serious, wide-ranging, disturbing, and upsetting," the statement said. "As always the safety and well-being of our students and alumni is a priority for the College."

No it isn't.

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Coca-colonization t1_j5a4bd0 wrote

Replying to Caster-Hammer (#1,424,310)

RAs are generally college kids and frequently those college kids that could use help affording housing. They also generally don’t have much real authority. I’d put them very low on my blame list. However, the administrators of housing, student life, and the overall university absolutely have a lot to answer for.

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meatball77 t1_j5a54oi wrote

Replying to Eyfordsucks (#1,424,670)

Which is even more frustrating because kids going to a school like that are more likely to not have the life skills to deal with things like that and the school should be giving them extra support. They weren't seniors, they were sheltered 19 year olds. I'm sure if they'd been having parties with underage drinking they would have dealt with it.

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dkran t1_j5a5qik wrote

Replying to TheCzar11 (#1,422,577)

Wow, what the fuck… to believe he was active in police / political / military circles at times too. And the Mafia…

He literally destroyed the parents lives, got people to bring their siblings into this… what the actual fuck?

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meatball77 t1_j5a67qw wrote

Replying to RyVsWorld (#1,424,314)

College students are super high risk for joining cults. There are several which are known for hanging around college campuses.

You have young often sheltered students (if you spent all your time in high school padding your college resume with hellicoptor parents you're going to probably not have many street smarts) who are living in a new place where they don't know anyone and they're looking for something to belong to.

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NakDisNut t1_j5aench wrote

Replying to TheCzar11 (#1,422,577)

…… wow.

I am sitting here watching my 9yr old play and envisioning 10+ years into the future “what if”.

So many lives permanently ruined. I mean - ruined to the core.

Wow.

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SometimesY t1_j5afs04 wrote

Replying to CaptBreeze (#1,424,117)

They were aware. Their kids were suicidal over the manipulations by this fuck. Some of the parents even paid the guy just because they were desperate to keep their kids alive and even slightly in their lives.

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bad_syntax t1_j5aps2t wrote

Wish all American justice was so right.

Meanwhile, a man that tried to overthrow our government and got people killed is running free and profiting. This guy who sex trafficked a young lady must not have been rich.

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meatball77 t1_j5aqc97 wrote

Replying to Justforthenuews (#1,427,769)

Nothing. The school told the parents and people that complained that they were overreacting and there wasn't anything they could do because they are allowed to have overnight guests.

The real criminality didn't happen until they were off campus. But he was using the campus and student housing to prey on and recruit the young people. He turned their living room into a place to brainwash and groom those kids.

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Samstradamus t1_j5aytjl wrote

Replying to Sinder77 (#1,423,660)

One definition means "spy"

A different definition means a racial slur

Yet another definition means "ghost"

The fact that one definition means a racial slur doesn't mean that each and every definition is racist

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Karl_Havoc2U t1_j5b1g70 wrote

Replying to NomDePlume007 (#1,420,429)

Did you read the article? You seem to be wildly conflating different periods of time, and I'll be damned if the mental effort it took me to make any shred of sense of this insane story is going to get undone by undermining the few clear facts that did make their way into my skull while reading this. 😂😂

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__M-E-O-W__ t1_j5bfqi0 wrote

Replying to roundbellyrhonda (#1,424,482)

Tl;Dr for what I've read so far - Basically an older guy impressing a bunch of naive, sheltered younger people with life experience that they haven't developed on their own yet, and getting away with it because he's so charismatic. Rile them up with good cooking, big stories on his military experience, emotional vulnerability and all - which anyone who knows people in the military can tell you, they are really fond of telling stories to make them sound all badass. Then convincing them to move in together before starting the real cult work.

It reminds me of all the stories of the young high school girl who has a boyfriend who's way too old for her, because he has a car and a job and "really gets her".

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SpiritedLavishness t1_j5ci3mg wrote

Replying to Asoto408 (#1,420,965)

I’m a Sarah Lawrence grad (graduated in 2012). The dorms in which this took place were never patrolled or regulated. I knew several people who had their boyfriends/girlfriends (who didn’t attend SLC) live with them throughout the year. They would go to the dining hall, walk around campus, and no one would do a thing. We had campus security but honestly they were so checked out and didn’t really seem to do much patrolling. In general things were very lax on that campus. Too lax, obviously. It’s also an open campus so that makes it easier for strangers to come to the campus unchecked.

These particular dorms were also equipped with full kitchens and bathrooms (they were built in a single family home type of way) so that could be why this dude was able to get away with what he did for so long - there wasn’t really a reason for him to leave the dorm to begin with, especially if he could convince others to go out and bring back necessities. Hope that helps to clear up how this happened. The school is to blame for its negligence and I hope they will face due punishment. A lot of crazy (deeply unpleasant) things happened on that campus precisely because no one ever cared to make sure students were safe.

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SpiritedLavishness t1_j5dtv1z wrote

Replying to Martholomeow (#1,421,094)

It wasn’t off campus housing. This took place within the main dorms on campus. The college should also be held accountable for its negligence. Even when I was there, it was clear that the administration and “security” didn’t care about our safety or wellbeing.

Source: I’m an SLC grad. I didn’t live in these particular dorms but I did live in similar, single family home style housing, and can confirm that no one ever checked who came in and out of those dorms. We basically had squatters (other students’ boyfriends/girlfriends who weren’t enrolled at SLC) living for free in the dorms all year.

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meatball77 t1_j5ffktf wrote

Replying to Murky_Conflict3737 (#1,438,168)

Some small liberal arts colleges are really weird and push into being really weird. I'm guessing that is what happened here. It was student housing but it wasn't a dorm, it was a small house with a bunch of students living in it.

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skratchx t1_j5h2vzh wrote

Replying to Caster-Hammer (#1,424,310)

If I recall the info from the article in The Cut, this was after she was done with school (or maybe dropped out). She was charging $8k per session.

> In 2014, Claudia began working as an escort under a nom de guerre that was a combination of Larry’s daughters’ names. Her website advertised services for $8,000 a night. She would give her profits to Larry in order to pay for the damage she believed she’d done in North Carolina.

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blueskies1800 t1_j5ldj2i wrote

I could understand desperate women who have few options allowing themselves to be used but these women have choices. It is hard to wrap my head around it.

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