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anObscurity t1_j9wjjsy wrote

Reply to comment by switch8000 in Madison Square Garden could move across street, executive tells Midtown neighbors by nickgarber

Yeah but the blocks they are talking about, which is most likely 32nd-34th street between 6th and 7th Ave, is quite underbuilt and there are only a handful of one story retail there on the 34th street side and theres a hotel on the 32nd street side that is getting demolished. I think it's a great idea and would reopen Penn Station to return to it's former glory

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Sinners-prayer t1_j9xhflg wrote

Yeah I have to agree. The current MSG is an eyesore, and everything around it feels like a mishmash of different eras. Btw, I thought Pennsylvania hotel was going to be replaced by a building called PEN15? Hopefully they aren’t going forward with that and build MSG there lol

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anObscurity t1_j9y112l wrote

I heard the whole “Penn District” complex including “PEN15” (lmao) is on hold

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Mcfinley t1_j9yig6g wrote

Yeah, Vornado said as much on their most recent earnings call. I think they're still going forward with renovations at One and Two Penn Plaza. Pretty sure they'll continue demolition at Hotel Pennsylvania too

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mowotlarx t1_j9ymejj wrote

Maybe they'll scale back all the office space they planned, but I doubt it. Look forward to.them going ahead and building a bunch of office buildings that will be almost entirely empty and rat infested in the first years they open.

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LongIsland1995 t1_j9ztr11 wrote

"Mish mash of different eras"

What is wrong with that exactly?

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Sinners-prayer t1_j9zyhq8 wrote

Nothing is wrong with that but it just isn’t working there, and I don’t necessarily mean architecturally. Historically, that area has always kind of struggled to find an identity, and clearly still is. But that said, they’ve done a fantastic job restoring where Moynihan station is and hopefully they continue in that direction, instead of just building more… office buildings.

The problem with that area is that after people are done commuting in and out of work it turns into an actual unsafe and bad place to be.

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poopmast t1_ja3h4ci wrote

I would definitely wear a Knicks X PEN15 Garden shirt.

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Rib-I t1_j9yjwvz wrote

That area is also randomly sketch. Moving MSG there might make it a bit less icky.

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LongIsland1995 t1_j9zu5p3 wrote

"Return to its former glory"

It's a train station, it just needs to be functional

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damnatio_memoriae t1_ja6toik wrote

i kind of disagree. that line of thinking is how we got the shithole that is penn station today. if you aim for "just functional," you'll almost certainly end up with "less than functional."

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damnatio_memoriae t1_ja6tkv3 wrote

i'm all for restoring penn to its former glory, but i kinda thought the extent to which that was ever realistically gonna happen was moynihan hall. plus... what's the point of moynihan hall, if penn is rebuilt in place of msg? i mean i'm all for more space, don't get me wrong, but msg + moynihan is a 4 block footprint. even for penn that seems like overkill, or at least, it seems like something the city wouldn't do. the biggest problem with penn is it's a fucking maze of mishmashed hallways, tunnels, and disparate waiting areas. if it were open and spacious like the original, moynihan would seem kind of redundant.

but now that i think about it, if they're gonna rebuild MSG between 6th and 7th, is there any opportunity to lean even further into it and expand access to the platforms all the way over to 6th ave where they could connect penn to NQRW/BDFM and PATH trains? that might actually be a really cool opportunity to really improve things -- or fuck midtown up even more spectacularly, lol.

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