Submitted by Souperplex t3_11arnre in nyc
Souperplex OP t1_j9truuw wrote
Reply to comment by Ok_Application_962 in Jewish communities brace as white supremacists plan Feb. 25 ‘Day of Hate’ by Souperplex
It was always there under the surface. In 1939 an American Nazi rally sold out Madison Square Garden. Far-right ideologies that marginalize other groups have always been in America. Post-Trump a lot of the deplorables feel emboldened.
systemization t1_j9u36ut wrote
This is not an exclusively right-leaning issue.
biggreencat t1_j9vhrej wrote
provide an example
systemization t1_j9vlkiw wrote
Under Trump, unlike during the Obama reign, the US stopped rebuking Israel for its settlements in the West Bank and quit condemning Israel for simply defending itself from terrorist attacks targeting civilians.
The Trump administration was a strong opponent of the shamelessly anti-Semitic BDS (boycott, divestment and sanctions) movement, supported by three out of four House Democrats known as “the Squad”, which seeks to isolate Israel and destroy its economy.
Trump also signed an executive order giving Jews greater legal protections against persecution.
Democrats routinely smeared Trump as “Hitler” and “anti-Semitic.” It was a false and disgusting trope, even as the Democratic Party drifted further from bipartisan support against anti-Semitism and for Israel. Reports suggested that Trump was responsible for a rise in hate crimes, ignoring the fact that for the previous eight years under Obama-Biden, attacks on Jews were among the top three hate crimes (although they rarely made headlines).
Biden, meanwhile, has largely followed his fellow Democrats in moving away from strong, steadfast support for Israel. Many in the party openly embrace anti-Semitic rhetoric and policies, and the failure of Democratic leaders to condemn both is disturbing.
Worse, Biden is trying desperately to reanimate the dangerous Iran nuclear deal, which would facilitate Tehran’s nuclear ambitions and undercut our Arab allies while endangering Israel’s very existence.
Most Jewish voters chose Biden and vote Democrat for various reasons, but they should seriously consider joining other traditional Democrat voting blocs in abandoning the party. It’s long past time for Jewish voters to end their longstanding, but unrequited, loyalty to the Democrats, who clearly no longer care about their concerns.
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systemization t1_j9w61fh wrote
I could, that’s an arguably easier point to prove. Black people for far too too long have been ignored and manipulated by the Demogorgon party.
biggreencat t1_j9w6pmg wrote
and the republican party? and trump?
systemization t1_j9w976f wrote
A Republican President may be our last hope. May God bless these United States of America.
biggreencat t1_j9wheba wrote
no i mean, what good have Republicans and Trump done for black Americans?
systemization t1_j9wl06c wrote
Under Republican presidencies, like President Trump, black Americans experience more opportunities, prosperity, security, and fairness than under any other democratic president ever.
biggreencat t1_j9wlkv5 wrote
any specific programs, policy changes, etc you can cite?
systemization t1_j9wlofo wrote
biggreencat t1_j9wz9fg wrote
>The President’s [Trump's] proposal calls for the elimination of the Minority Business Development Agency
that's one of the programs Trump's flyer says he wants to make permanent, and to elevate, under the "access to capital for black owned businesses" heading
systemization t1_j9x2cb1 wrote
Yup, he’s streamlining black-owned businesses!
biggreencat t1_j9x3v0g wrote
what does that mean? you mean that MBDA stands in the way of black-owned business? his flyer claims he wants to lionize the MBDA, but he sought to close it.
biggreencat t1_ja1d67c wrote
would you explain the point you were making, please?
biggreencat t1_ja4dfmk wrote
aight bro, you should know that for all your writing here, you looked bad and ended up flat on your face.
Ok_Application_962 t1_j9tt6y6 wrote
It is both left and right and not deplorables , there is as much on the left if not more.
MediocreJerk t1_j9tu5oc wrote
Not even going to bother with this one...
numba1cyberwarrior t1_j9tup0c wrote
I dont agree with him but he is def right that traditionally the left has not been a friend to Jews.
NYC alone has hundreds of thousands of Soviet Jews that came here as refugees due to discrimination in the Soviet Union.
n3vd0g t1_j9txox0 wrote
But it’s not a tenet of even the furthest point of leftism. At first, one of the most important outcomes of the February revolution led by Lenin was the abolishment of antisemitic policies within the government. But, the Soviet Union was not a perfect communist regime and was ruled by a dictator, Stalin, who after WW2 became even more paranoid and deranged. As a result, many policies were created to target minority groups. Regardless, you could say the same about the policies of the American government that targeted black people, Hispanic people, poor people, leftists, and even at one point Jews. I mean, at least the USSR wasn’t founded With antisemitism in mind, unlike the Nazis. However, America was built by white slave owners who wanted to avoid paying taxes who also committed genocide against the indigenous people of America in order to take their land. Like come on, if we’re gonna start pointing fingers, I don’t think we as a country have much a right to.
numba1cyberwarrior t1_j9tzbgc wrote
I dont give a shit about pointing as an American. Im saying as Jew that Communist regimes have fucking devastated my people and are evil. Im not saying that it was as bad as Nazism but antisemitism is very common among left wingers.
Im not even arguing about stuff in the past or just from a hypothetical POV. As a Jew I would say about 50% of the hate that I received in my life has been related to Israel and a lot of it has been from left wingers.
>USSR wasn’t founded With antisemitism
The USSR did go through its own "Jewish question" though.
n3vd0g t1_j9tzvnb wrote
Yeah, pretty much every country has. Regardless, you’re running defense for Nazis by “both sides-ing” this argument, even if that’s not your intention because the core tenet of Nazism is antisemitism. That was not the core tenet of the USSR and it’s extremely important that we get our facts straight when discussing this topic because no one’s hands are clean and the only way we’ll stop the spread ia if we examine everyone equally.
numba1cyberwarrior t1_j9u0vvl wrote
Ideologically I agree with you that Nazism is not equivalent in evil to the USSR. Im saying that in person especially in NYC left wing anti semitism is a massive issue.
Before I left NYC I thought people being openly hating of Jews through old stereotypes or Nazi beliefs was something in the past or something you saw on the internet. I thought that because while in NYC me and most of my friends had most hate directed at us by people who hate Israel who are very often left wingers.
n3vd0g t1_j9u7irj wrote
Are you equating anti-zionism with antisemitism?
numba1cyberwarrior t1_j9uea1l wrote
I've litterly had this happen more then a dozen times to me. When people find out I'm Jewish I've litterly had people say "Why are the Jews killing people? Do you support this?" or some shit like "Why are the Jews and Israel controlling our government and media"
You dont have to support everything that Israel does but the main enemies of Israel today dont like Jews.
n3vd0g t1_j9ukkyi wrote
Your point is missing much needed nuance. Israel today is no doubt an apartheid state and is moving further to the right. It's only going to get worse. And yes, some of its enemies just hate jewish people in general. However, imo, plenty more simply hate the actions taken by the Israeli government and hate the fact that our country financially supports all of it. Only dumbasses believe there is some sort of ethnic cabal of Jewish people running the media. However, there is also a substantially large lobby group named AIPAC that pays our politicians and influences media groups to use soft language when discussing Israel state crimes. Obviously, this subject is complicated enough that AIPAC can use antisemitism as a shield when it's subject to complaints about its treatment of second class citizens in Israel. But anyone who is using blanket statements like "Why are the Jews controlling our government and media" is obviously an antisemitic racist and they're not worth being around. Last thing, even when I've been plenty sensitive to the subject while discussing my issues on Israel with Israeli citizens, every single one of them has blown up in my face about it. I'm sure plenty of them have labeled me antisemitic as a result, but that's a ridiculous notion. If any left-winger is hating you for simply being Jewish, or hell, even Israeli, they're not a leftist imo and they should be told as such.
numba1cyberwarrior t1_j9ul9qj wrote
>Last thing, even when I've been plenty sensitive to the subject while discussing my issues on Israel with Israeli citizens, every single one of them has blown up in my face about it.
People get mad when you tell them their nation doesn't have the right to exist. More so when that nation not existing means most of their family members will be exterminated or ethnically clensed.
>If any left-winger is hating you for simply being Jewish, or hell, even Israeli, they're not a leftist imo and they should be told as such.
Weird my entire family spent more then a century being oppressed by leftists.
n3vd0g t1_j9umyy5 wrote
> People get mad when you tell them their nation doesn't have the right to exist. More so when that nation not existing means most of their family members will be exterminated or ethnically clensed.
I've literally never said that.
> Weird my entire family spent more then a century being oppressed by leftists.
Well, I guess that means it's Israel's turn to oppress others then! :)
Regardless, there's clearly no discussion to be had here with you and you would rather discuss how bad leftism is in a thread about right wing fascists planning a protest against Jewish people. Gee, I wonder why that may be...
numba1cyberwarrior t1_j9upaxj wrote
>I've literally never said that.
You said anti zionism. Zionism is the idea that Jews should have a Jewish state. It doesn't say you need discrimination or anything else. The vast vast majority of Jews consider anti zionists their enemy as anti zionists deny their right to self determination and would rather see half the Jews in the world placed in a dangerous situation.
>Regardless, there's clearly no discussion to be had here with you and you would rather discuss how bad leftism is in a thread about right wing fascists planning a protest against Jewish people
Its almost like that wasn't the only topic being discussed in this thread
>Well, I guess that means it's Israel's turn to oppress others then! :)
Where did you get that from?
solarnova64 t1_j9uavs3 wrote
That’s what it’s sounding like.
koreamax t1_j9usinb wrote
Yes. It's a thin line that a lot of people cross
koreamax t1_j9usg5f wrote
Downvotes for what reason? A lot of people here act like themselves and who the align with are morally superior
biggreencat t1_j9vhu42 wrote
give a Left example
Ok_Application_962 t1_j9wfqhh wrote
Bds movement and anti zionism is just another smoother way.
MarbleFox_ t1_j9x9yvq wrote
Anti-Zionism isn’t hateful nor anti-semitic.
Ok_Application_962 t1_ja1khqr wrote
It def is ...
MarbleFox_ t1_ja1ybge wrote
Lol, you’re still hung up on this? No, it’s not. It’s not antisemitic to be anti-Zionist.
Ok_Application_962 t1_ja2xig2 wrote
Dam right I am cause it is and you probably are one
MarbleFox_ t1_ja57m9v wrote
Lol, it’s really not, they’re two totally separate things.
Ok_Application_962 t1_j9xa6q1 wrote
Oh yes it is ..especially if you understand Judaism..it is the land of Abraham Isaac and jacob..
MarbleFox_ t1_j9xau2b wrote
> Oh yes it is
Except for the fact that it’s not.
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