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mowotlarx t1_j8k5yd5 wrote
I have to hand it to the staff that actually followed through, followed the law and fined the Mayor. That had to be scary, especially when he showed up with the top mayor's office lawyer to scare them.
atyppo t1_j8kaq0z wrote
Yeah, tbh, this actually makes me slightly hopeful for NYC. Perhaps the corruption isn't as bad as I thought. Then again, I know a guy from Howard Beach that claims he has a buddy from HS in the "city ticketing office" that can get him out of whatever traffic tickets he gets.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j8k3wow wrote
NYC press has their priority in roughly order:
- Most important: $300 fine for Adams
- Medium importance: $13 million per year lost because of covered license plates
- Least important: $500 million per year lost because of fare evasion
An-Angel_Sent-By-God t1_j8kk7i7 wrote
The statistic "$500 million lost to fare evasion" is an obvious lie. Go ahead and do the math if you like. $500 million divided by $2.75 divided by 472 stops divided by 365 days a year divided by 24 hours a day equals 44 people every single hour at every single stop in the entire system, on average. And by the way, if your "$500 million" figure was correct, that would prove that the NYPD are utterly useless at stopping fare evasion anywhere in the system. Hack.
danhakimi t1_j8l332e wrote
You also have to argue that all 44 of those people would have paid full fare if they hadn't dodged it.
cC2Panda t1_j8n1ijh wrote
Correct, same claim that the RIAA/MPAA claim against people who download music. Just because the fare didn't happen didn't mean it was inevitable.
elizabeth-cooper t1_j8ksbrm wrote
What about buses?
An-Angel_Sent-By-God t1_j8lgjnh wrote
Even if half of that claimed stat was from buses, that would still be an average of 1 person every 3 minutes at every single subway station, 24 hours a day.
elizabeth-cooper t1_j8lmanw wrote
This article says half is about right.
https://nypost.com/2022/05/22/mta-losing-119m-and-counting-to-fare-evasion-officials-say/
But I don't know how you got to that number. There are over 16,000 bus stops. Also, I imagine the majority of fare beating happens in clusters during rush hour, not consistently throughout the day.
I don't know how the MTA got their number either, but I've seen the increase in fare beating with my own eyes, so it doesn't seem particularly outlandish. I presume you're working from home and haven't taken a bus or train during rush hour in three years.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j8mt3se wrote
> Soaring fare evasion on subways and buses cost the MTA $119 million in the first three months of the year
elizabeth-cooper t1_j8mvac8 wrote
Yes? And how did they arrive at that number? Nothing wrong with asking questions. There is something wrong with dismissing it out of hand, the way the person above did - "an obvious lie." No, it's not. It's clear that fare beating is way up compared to before Coronavirus.
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RyuNoKami t1_j8l75dj wrote
Don't those stats usually include buses?
The cops only enforce the fare when they feel like it so yes they are pretty useless.
An-Angel_Sent-By-God t1_j8lgiqk wrote
Even if half of that claimed stat was from buses, that would still be an average of 1 person every 3 minutes at every single subway station, 24 hours a day.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j8l8vac wrote
This week, for each time I paid the fare, I saw at least one person jumping the turnstile. And I was wondering where are the cops?
So I’m actually surprise it’s only $500 million.
Or maybe the stations I use are just very common to have fare evaders.
An-Angel_Sent-By-God t1_j8lgn4v wrote
Do you see a fare evader every 90 seconds on average, 24 hours a day, at every single station? No. If you still can't understand the math, go stand on the Central Ave M platform tonight from 12am to 6am and do a count for me.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j8lhxtq wrote
I only spent 30 seconds to a minute near the turnstile.
So one evader per 90s is probably a charitable estimate. It can’t be extrapolated to all the time though, because I was there it during rush hour.
zed910 t1_j8ljxdf wrote
If it doesn’t happen during non peak times then it should happen more during peak times and you should see a fair evader closer to every 20 seconds at every station.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j8lkrme wrote
I wasn’t in a very busy station. And it was just one person jumping the turnstile.
Not like the bulk evasion of people using the emergency door like in this video: https://youtu.be/gqRQ5_TiVA8
I’ve actually seen a person once (on his way out) purposely open and hold that kind of door just to see if anyone would want to come in for free. But I didn’t stick around to see if anyone took the opportunity.
SwellandDecay t1_j8lzb8m wrote
what do you get out of acting like a cop? like why are you being a cop and you're not even getting paid? get a hobby.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j8mn1pb wrote
I accidentally observed that happening. That’s money I and others will be paying though.
The MTA is going to increase the fare because of a $300 million per year budget short fall..
zed910 t1_j8oo4rv wrote
The solution is to quit using our taxes to pay for roads and a all the free surface parking spots then fully funding the MTA without needing to charge fairs.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j8ophr5 wrote
So let the roads degrade just because we can’t expect people (who can very well afford it) to pay their transit fares?
zed910 t1_j8or0bd wrote
Not just degrade, but strip them away for green space, bike lanes, trash bins, and public plazas (all of which cost less to maintain and would be better used by the public). We can even sell some of the land to developers to build on, not only would we get money from the sale of land but reoccurring tax revenue.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j8os0lb wrote
So the sanitation dept will collect garbage using bikes?
zed910 t1_j8osq45 wrote
Why would they have to?
mowotlarx t1_j8k62ov wrote
Gothamist has reported on all three issues. So you're angry that you read this first? Or that they reported on it at all, in addition to the other things?
NetQuarterLatte t1_j8mtln9 wrote
I don’t know where you read any anger in my comment, to be honest.
If I’m going to get angry at every instance of inverted priorities I come across in this city, I’m not going to live a good live.
iv2892 t1_j8lmy65 wrote
When did the Gothamist become a serious news source ? They always seemed like a gossip magazine before
mowotlarx t1_j8mfg13 wrote
They have always been a NYC local news outlet. Have you ever bothered to look at their site as scroll through their coverage?
koreamax t1_j8k8q3j wrote
They're allowed to report on more than one thing at once. You know that right?
sumgye t1_j8ki8uj wrote
It's not like the "news" and "media" magically decides what to post about. They post what will get the most clicks, which is what people are the most interested in.
Don't blame the news for this, blame people wanting to read about it. Heck, it's already becoming one of the top posts on this sub. People care about this. There is fatigue over over things.
koreamax t1_j8kiiq3 wrote
Yeah, if demand based content bothers you, stick to AP
dancetothiscomment t1_j8k8z7q wrote
Where did you find out the importance of the other two? From the press?
neutron1 t1_j8ms2gg wrote
Republican NYC financial priorities in order:
- $2.75 subway fare being paid
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- Billionaires in NYC evading taxes
greenerdoc t1_j8p4k7d wrote
Can't someone want billionaires to pay taxes but also cops stop fare evaders and people who steal/walk out bags of shit from CVS? That's just not wanting a shit living environment. Provide incentive not to act like criminals for everyone. Is this right or leftist?
ButteredBeans40 t1_j8l1byf wrote
$1b stolen by deblasio
Salvadorthagod t1_j8ojh8l wrote
They’re made $134million off of speeding tickets in 2022. Those activated in April. Imagine when the full number releases at the end of the year. Who cares lmao.
matrixifyme t1_j8l4fwp wrote
I thought it was a joke article where they were going to call him the rat. Would be fitting too.
magnusvanansauf t1_j8kza9i wrote
He’ll pay it in bitcoin
overmotion t1_j8kn8jt wrote
> “Last year, he beat a different $300 violation after a health inspector observed “fresh rat droppings” on his property.”
Ah yes, New York City. The city that makes you pay for the pleasure of having rats infesting your property.
mowotlarx t1_j8kwwbh wrote
The city that makes landlords pay for refusing to maintain the property they don't live in because they were shacked up in Jersey. Boo hoo.
hoarder_of_beers t1_j8m85r6 wrote
No idea how he beat that. I got a notice that they found a rat burrow inside my fence post and me showing that the fence post is completely sealed with no evidence of damage or holes was insufficient.
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drumstix97 t1_j8mt1s2 wrote
Bros been clubbing too much & forgetting his priorities
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DLFiii t1_j8kev5w wrote
And how much will he paying for the detriment he and his cronies are imposing on NYC?
Internal_Ring_121 t1_j8kyl5l wrote
Those rat comments are some thinly veiled threats lol
NewYorker0 t1_j8lk3by wrote
Mr. Swagger won’t ever recover financially from this
sockalicious t1_j8mr233 wrote
Great, that's done. Now fine him for the mayor infestation at the same address
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Otherwise-Air-4473 t1_j8yoxvj wrote
Reparations?
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asian_identifier t1_j8l9yuo wrote
And then company pays your salary. You pay companies for their goods/services. So in the end who's paying who?
Grass8989 t1_j8k2ld0 wrote
How will he ever survive such a significant financial burden?