NYPD is Illegally Sending People to Rikers Without Ever Seeing a Judge, Lawsuit Claims
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SexyEdMeese t1_ir1irmm wrote
If any of this is true, it's terrifying.
Kozlow t1_ir1l6v8 wrote
Look at the website that is “reporting” this and ask yourself again if this is true.
drpvn t1_ir1m0hl wrote
I could imagine the facts alleged being true in part, even in large part. But there’s no document in the world less impartial than a complaint. Need to hear from the other side.
panda12291 t1_ir1o5nd wrote
Isn't that what the lawsuit is for? They're hardly keeping him in prison to prove a point - they're doing everything they can to get him released when he's being held without cause.
huebomont t1_ir1orod wrote
yeah, in the place with overflowing jails, criminals are never getting charged. smart stuff
Bigbadbuck t1_ir1ovbj wrote
It’s not the only website reporting this and it’s been going on forever
Kozlow t1_ir1p3qu wrote
Stop it. No it hasn’t. More crooks looking for a payday that the city hands out like candy.
[deleted] t1_ir1p89c wrote
“We can’t comment on this until NYPD denies it all, at which point we should take them at their word that it doesn’t happen.”
drpvn t1_ir1psr1 wrote
No, but we should hear what they have to say. I’d say that between you and me, I’m the only one who’s willing to hear what each side has to say.
dropdeadbarbie t1_ir1qm9d wrote
Kalief Browder
drpvn t1_ir1qmet wrote
I think the plaintiffs are all out now.
NetQuarterLatte t1_ir1qsya wrote
> "Nothing short of an extrajudicial campaign of terror and kidnapping.”
That's gotta win the award for scaremongering quote.
The silver lining is that those individuals who once avoided the courts to evade justice, are now very willing to see a judge ASAP.
> Wright knew that he’d previously cleared that warrant, and it wasn’t valid anymore.
> All told it took 17 days for Wright’s family to figure out what had happened to him and where he was, to reach his lawyer, and for his lawyer to get a judge to order his release.
He got out of jail using the correct judicial mechanism: get a judge to issue an order to release him.
But they took more than two weeks to even ask a judge for that, and now they are suing for the "trauma" that extended time has caused.
Ouity t1_ir1r3ec wrote
Don't we already know what NYPD is going to say ?... what are you expecting except a refutation?
drpvn t1_ir1r96j wrote
I don’t. I guess you do.
Ouity t1_ir1rxnl wrote
I have a pretty good idea that they are not going to go out and admit in a public statement that they violated state law and peoples' civil rights. I'd say it doesn't take much of a brain to figure out why. They lose in court automatically if they do that. So instead, they will opt to release a nothing-burger that will basically say "we work tirelessly to respect/defend peoples' civil rights etc etc etc NYPD is troubled by the complaints (MAYBE) but we will follow due process and defend our officers conduct blah blah blah." Think I missed anything?
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drpvn t1_ir1v03t wrote
I’m talking about their motion to dismiss, not a press release.
kingofthings754 t1_ir1vd8j wrote
Browder had a bail hearing
chargeorge t1_ir1ygcg wrote
Yea, def. We should make sure to see what happens in every criminal case before we come on this sub to complain about bail reform as well.
chargeorge t1_ir1yqnd wrote
the fuck is wrong with you?
bangbangthreehunna t1_ir1yx0d wrote
Browder being on probation is why he was given bail.
hjablowme919 t1_ir215bf wrote
Guarantee it's true. Saw the NYPD do the same thing when they cleared Zuccotti Park during the Occupy Wall Street protests.
hjablowme919 t1_ir21i0g wrote
We all know what the NYPD will say. They will deny they are doing anything wrong. Or they will say it was just a few officers and this is not policy and they are sending the officers for additional training.
Then some PBA rep will scream about how things like this are why officers are quitting and they can't get enough new recruits, blah, blah, blah.
All bullshit.
toTheNewLife t1_ir21lt0 wrote
The NYPD did the same things during the Occupy Wall Street protests of 2011. A guy I know said he was just out walking and the cops appeared out of nowhere and blocked access with that orange construction netting. They hauled everyone away to one of the docks on the west side and kept them there for days before any of them saw a judge.
thenewgabonline t1_ir21xeh wrote
who’s the other side? the completely, totally impartial NYPD?
drpvn t1_ir220h9 wrote
So you think it’s clear that everything alleged in the complaint happened just like it’s alleged?
drpvn t1_ir22d4j wrote
Yes, the defendant is the other side.
stork38 t1_ir22x4o wrote
I would much rather hear random redditors uncorroborated stories of what happened to their "friends" who were arrested for "nothing"
stork38 t1_ir22y8c wrote
Tom Hanks
sinkwiththeship t1_ir251hf wrote
There are no nutrients in an all-boot diet, so his brain has rotted.
b0xtarts t1_ir25qtw wrote
Preach!!!! they 100% are a gang of criminals
haxlmal t1_ir27mh9 wrote
The brainwash is strong with this one...
Kozlow t1_ir282sy wrote
You are one to talk.
haxlmal t1_ir28m0a wrote
Don't play this game. You are pretending to be objective and morally superior when so many cases exactly like this one have been proven to be police abuse. Sure, maybe in this one specific case, it's a frivolous lawsuit, but you're missing the forest for the trees. Police do this shit so often that it's statistically far more likely that it's all true. And in any case, public trust has been completely eroded by their own hand. They are wayyyyy beyond the "let's give them the benefit of the doubt" phase.
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fafalone t1_ir28wod wrote
It's not and that's one of the problems with creating a class of people for whom it's ok to shit all over their rights... Whether you're in it or not isn't always based on guilt or innocence.
haxlmal t1_ir28xw9 wrote
Great comeback........ Wake up. The crooks are the cops.
Ouity t1_ir29ay2 wrote
A motion to dismiss happens when a case is legally invalid. Like, when you are making a claim that has no legal remedy, or which does not point to an actual law, or is a misreading of a law, you can just file to dismiss the case. Since there are multiple claimants filing under a lawyer who are pointing to specific circumstances which would, if true, be violations of this law, I do not think their case is going to be dismissed on procedural grounds. And if the NYPD tries to argue their claims are meritless and invalid, I will love to read that. It's definitely not what I guessed, so that would be cool for you.
I did not assume you were talking about a motion to dismiss because from where I'm sitting, a judge would rule against a motion to dismiss this case and allow it to enter discovery, since discovery of evidence is the only way to actually ascertain whether the claims presented are factual. The claims presented are definitely in violation of the law.
Kozlow t1_ir29fz6 wrote
Brainwashed.
drpvn t1_ir29pst wrote
That’s all true, but sometimes defendants will toss factual assertions in their MTD if they’re favorable.
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BrieGoneThot t1_ir2ari0 wrote
This should be a 10 figure lawsuit directly out of the NYPD's pension fund.
Everyone involved should go to prison for decades. Absolutely disgusting.
drpvn t1_ir2aw9r wrote
I’ve seen too many complaints to take them at face value. And I do a lot of plaintiff-side work.
I have zero reason to think this lawsuit is frivolous, apart from the baseline of skepticism I have toward all complaints.
BrieGoneThot t1_ir2b15c wrote
Biggest gang on the planet and the entire city is held hostage.
Pat Lynch has caused more harm to this city than Bin Laden.
BrieGoneThot t1_ir2bhly wrote
And yet people don't think we live in a police state.
Please tell everyone these stories, they are important.
OutrageousGarbage743 t1_ir2bvbm wrote
OLD NEWS
haxlmal t1_ir2cly0 wrote
You're really embarrassing yourself here...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_police_brutality
https://www.nyclu.org/en/campaigns/nypd-misconduct-database
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BrieGoneThot t1_ir2cv4f wrote
BrieGoneThot t1_ir2d5mv wrote
Yes. Extrajudicial kidnapping sounds about right to me.
Arresting officer should go behind bars for life without parole.
BrieGoneThot t1_ir2dgo2 wrote
Just saying more to friends and such.
Everyone is programmed from birth with so much overwhelming pro-police propaganda it can be hard to realize how awful they really are.
Kozlow t1_ir2ec19 wrote
That’s all you guys ever say. That tired boot bullshit. Life isn’t black and white. Cops can suck my little cock, but this story is horseshit.
Kozlow t1_ir2eesi wrote
You spending time to look that bullshit up is the real embarrassment.
cnoelle94 t1_ir2eq6k wrote
Totally have seen a situation like this before my own eyes. I'm sorry you went through this, FishBattle
haxlmal t1_ir2ezvu wrote
Yes, doing research is sooo embarrassing. What have I been doing?! I must look like a complete fool to be citing my assertions...
And yeah, totally NOT embarrassing to just say "NO U" to every comment I make. The irony.
Kozlow t1_ir2f6we wrote
Assertions. Lmao. Get a fucking life. Holy shit.
haxlmal t1_ir2fgxr wrote
Yes, "assertion". Do you need a synonym for that? Let's go with... "statement". That should be simple enough for you.
BrieGoneThot t1_ir2fxyq wrote
Lol @ /u/drpvn blocking everyone he doesn't agree with so no one can call him on his shit anymore.
LuisTechnology t1_ir2gx54 wrote
Exactly what the nypd mafia is good at and now with Adams it’s even worse
LuisTechnology t1_ir2h5p7 wrote
Lol joke is on you, hence why law enforcement keeps doing what they are doing bc they are guarded by the government and they will never allow to puncture that shield 🛡️
mission17 t1_ir2hc4x wrote
I had to block this user after he creeped through my activity in totally unrelated subreddits to this one. Totally unhinged and unacceptable behavior.
mission17 t1_ir2hgyp wrote
Well, at least you're going full mask-off and not pretending to speak for progressives this time.
Kozlow t1_ir2i5e7 wrote
What a nerd.
BrieGoneThot t1_ir2i7wj wrote
Big yikes.
haxlmal t1_ir2ime2 wrote
Glad I could impress you.
MiscellaneousWorker t1_ir2msw6 wrote
Really sorry you had to go through that. I can only imagine how awful it must feel to be mixed up into something you didn't have any involvement in to such a ridiculous degree.
FreeSushi69 t1_ir2prb7 wrote
What else do those in positions of power do illegally and never get punished for? Lmaooo wallstreet and big banks stealing from the poor every day.
filthysize t1_ir2sl4n wrote
That's how I know it's true.
user_joined_just_now t1_ir2tbg7 wrote
Seriously, like oof. I can't even.
hau5keeping t1_ir2u3o7 wrote
Affectionate-Time201 t1_ir2v656 wrote
Good
B-BoyStance t1_ir2vhfm wrote
Sorry that happened to you. If it helps, I'm still fucking pissed about it.
FYI to everyone reading this, this happened to a lot of people in NYC. Cities across the country really. In a bottle, it's enough to spark protests but because it happened during the height of the protests, it feels like it was forgotten.
I was living in Philly and same shit. Heard Chicago and NYC were even worse.
Those PD's will never be able to improve in my mind. I don't see how - those unions are way too powerful and police have special rules that most union members do not. Hope they get chased out of the cities they police and back into the suburbs that they reside. They and their unions are a stain on this country and if they were more human they would probably feel enough shame to have a collective heart attack.
NetQuarterLatte t1_ir2vwoa wrote
There’s nothing progressive about this.
Demanding that the NYPD should be making determinations about someone’s bail status or ignoring court orders?
It’s totally backwards.
Edit: to state the obvious, there are clearly broken things that need to be fixed in how those cases are handled.
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invertedal t1_ir2w26b wrote
A similar program exists in Chicago. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site
B-BoyStance t1_ir2w58e wrote
Hey can I ask you a question?
B-BoyStance t1_ir2we1z wrote
Yep. They treated you guys like cattle. That period of time was the most horrified I've been of events in the US in my lifetime, and the way cops were rounding people up was a big reason for that (again to everyone here: no one knew where these people were taken. I had friends that i lost contact with for days. Had to file missing persons reports. How ironic due to where those reports go). Pretty much convinced me this country will not be coming back.
Still gonna give a shit about it all though.
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drpvn t1_ir2wrv5 wrote
I don’t think I’m telling anybody they’re wrong.
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mission17 t1_ir2xaz6 wrote
It’s crazy how you always somehow arrive at the conclusion that Due Process is something anti-progressive. It’s clear you don’t have any idea what progressives stand for. So I’m asking you respectfully once again to stop purporting to speak for progressivism.
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drpvn t1_ir2xvay wrote
There’s video, photo, and paper evidence of what’s alleged in the complaint that’s the subject of this thread?
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RebaseTokenomics t1_ir2y85z wrote
I feel like this is just assumed at this point and when I'm right it's just confirmed. Like of course this is happening
AM_collects t1_ir2ygua wrote
I was falsely arrested for assault charges when I was protecting myself from a drunk guy who spit on me. Im a 20 year old college student who has never been in trouble with the law. I end up in bookings for 28 hours. Terrible conditions. Terrible isn’t even the word. Smells like shit and piss in the entire building. Gets more potent as your in the cell. 👍 There are innocent people being put into bookings and being treated like criminals. THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
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drpvn t1_ir2yzia wrote
Is that in the article? If so, I missed it. And also if so, I haven’t seen any of that evidence.
Look, I’m not going to tell you that what you went through didn’t happen or wasn’t so bad or was justified. That’s not my place and I have no reason to doubt you. I’m sorry it happened. It sounds awful.
But if you filed a lawsuit against the NYPD—which maybe you should consider, if you haven’t already considered it—I would say exactly what I said about this lawsuit: that I have no specific reason to doubt the allegations and, and I could certainly see the allegations being true in whole or in part, but I would still want to hear the other side.
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planning_throwaway1 t1_ir2zky5 wrote
This didn't happen in NYC, but during Occupy a coworker of mine was biking home after work in Oakland and cops clothes-lined him off his bike, zip tied him, tossed him in a van and took him a whole county over
Dude just had a black hoodie on and was only guilty of living in the general vicinity of Occupy Oakland and apparently that was all it took
He missed the next day of work and had to call in from jail
Cops lie all the time. They arrest people without probable cause. All. The. Time. They can't be trusted, and they absolutely will do whatever it takes to spin things in their favor and most media outlets generally go along with it
People in this subreddit will often act otherwise, but during the BLM protests the cops were putting out overwhelming shows of force for every little tiny demonstration, while simultaneously looking the other way when looters were hitting up 5th ave. They absolutely had the manpower to prevent opportunistic looting like that, they just choose not to because they know damn well who will get blamed for it. Whether crime goes up or down doesn't matter, they spin it to their benefit either way
All cops care about is maintaining and growing their own power, that's it. They don't care about helping you, or preventing crime, or keeping the city safe at all. As far as they're concerned, you're all sheep, civilians, potential perps, and anything they do to you is justified just because, occasionally, they actually arrest someone who deserved it
I'm personally convinced the overwhelming and unaccountable power local police has accumulated in the US is a direct threat to democracy, but here we are still shoveling billions their way while everything else crumbles
Kozlow t1_ir2zr1k wrote
Great, another nerd.
drpvn t1_ir2zsbh wrote
Some plaintiffs’ lawyers—many of them—will publicize any case. The goal is to create pressure for a settlement.
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TrekkerMcTrekkerface t1_ir31p29 wrote
That is how jail works. You go to jail to wait arraignment.
Where do you think people go after they get arrested?
Turbulent_Link1738 t1_ir32le7 wrote
The distinction is Rikers is a correction facility for post arraigned prisoners. Ideally, anyone in Rikers is serving a minor sentence or waiting for trial after not being able to make bail, or legit warrants for skipping bail or violating parole. Anyone just scooped off the street is supposed to be held in criminal court central booking aka “downtown”. No one should be held there more than 2-3 days under normal circumstances, for the purpose of deciding whether bail is appropriate. Rikers wait is in the months and years to determine guilt or sentence.
SBAPERSON t1_ir32rzz wrote
And people on this sub want the cops to have more power lmao
khennylpdlc t1_ir33oe0 wrote
Corrupt ass city
princessnegrita t1_ir33rs4 wrote
The article itself links to NYS law that specifically says that when an arrest for a bench warrant is made, the person needs to be brought before a judge without delay.
So no, that’s not how this works at all.
NetQuarterLatte t1_ir33xh3 wrote
We can agree to disagree again.
B-BoyStance t1_ir35hoo wrote
Well I guess I'll just ask! Do you happen to be developmentally disabled?
I have resources to help if you need. It seems you at the very least struggle with reading comprehension.
AM_collects t1_ir35kqe wrote
Walked into my deli and the cashier said the same thing 😂. Thank you 🙏. Don’t wish it on anyone.
NetQuarterLatte t1_ir39ctb wrote
I'll these cases happened towards the end of De Blasio's administration, who has at best perpetuated and at worst made the jail situations worse. As I've learned from previous threads, it's pointless to argue with someone who believes De Blasio is a progressive hero of any kind.
B-BoyStance t1_ir3a0ao wrote
Oh yeah they are and were fine, it's just a ridiculously brazen move. They were arresting, beanbagging, and pepperspraying people who weren't even protesting, let alone rioting. A lot of the cops in Philly were just out there to hurt people because their feelings were hurt, and they were having fun doing it. And since then they haven't even worked.
Anyways - I'm glad to now live in NYC where our police are so much better.... lol. Cheers mate.
hailfire27 t1_ir3a3gr wrote
Why do you even like the cops? None of them are your friends and will put you and your dog into the ground for fun.
Rib-I t1_ir3auxs wrote
I think we all want there to be a reliable and fair Justice system, it’s more of a delusion or blind optimism situation.
bangbangthreehunna t1_ir3bwyx wrote
These are probably just Supreme Court Warrants
Kozlow t1_ir3c04c wrote
Jesus Christ. A fucking cornball too. You’re the complete package! Holy shit.
[deleted] t1_ir3d5iy wrote
We should start a support group
KidAstoria t1_ir3f3oc wrote
Like that dude who murdered that first responder??
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BrieGoneThot t1_ir3iu0f wrote
And admins do nothing about it.
Kozlow t1_ir3mhgi wrote
What stories? I have first hand proof that’s all horseshit.
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Kozlow t1_ir3qd2i wrote
You are the mentally unstable one wanting to hang out with some random fucking idiot from Reddit.
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Kozlow t1_ir3s3nm wrote
Ok, by making insulting, backhanded, passive aggressive assumptions about people? Keep thinking you are the “good guy”. YOU are the problem.
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Kozlow t1_ir3saiy wrote
Gross person.
TrueAd3615 t1_ir4045f wrote
He spends his entire day sensationalizing crime. I'm convinced he doesn't live here.
LivefromPhoenix t1_ir40knm wrote
In 6 months he'll just block you instead of responding.
ChilenodelSur t1_ir49dem wrote
>The Department of Correction couldn’t release Phillips because the way someone is released from custody is as a result of a court hearing, but Phillips didn’t have any future court dates.
Scary AF. I wonder how many people without relatives to care for them are in this situation and for how long.
Swimming_Respond2651 t1_ir4bc7y wrote
Well how I get on this law suit they did it to me 5 times for no reason they were going up against a criminal order for someone else and arresting me it got so bad the district attorney had to personally call the police station and tell the police captain tell his employees stop on one occasion they tried to put me in the crazy house to pretend I was nuts I use to be a nurse tho so the hospital they tried to send me to I worked at and had 10 years of clean mental tests and staff knew me and wasn’t falling for the polices shit and let me go within 30 mins as soon as they noticed my name I would love to sue them I won’t call the police for help to this day cuz I don’t like them I’ll take my chances on my own
not_a_grill1 t1_ir4fj5p wrote
This guy always has the weirdest takes in this subreddit
r55r44 t1_ir4vfwt wrote
Fuck the NYPD, most incompetent, lazy, selfish people I've ever met.
Kingofkings1959 t1_ir51rvs wrote
This has been happening for literal decades unfortunately
BrockAtWork t1_ir52p16 wrote
This exact thing happened to my good friend during the bush administration. He and his wife were walking near a protest. Got thrown in jail overnight. They won a 20k class action settlement years later about it.
Unreal.
IKID-DAVIDI t1_ir58aeh wrote
They need less.
timrmac6 t1_ir59kny wrote
Since all of you here sound like you’d be excellent LEOs here’s where you can apply
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/careers/police-officers/po-hiring.page
Get out there and be the change you want!
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timrmac6 t1_ir5hzqi wrote
Hahahaha. Can’t victim blame you. Sound like the kind of guy who forgives his wife for fucking her new bf in their brand new bed.
Edit: and you enjoy it.
Captaintripps t1_ir5jvsg wrote
He’s a classic schmuck.
Longjumping_Option22 t1_ir5r4na wrote
They are unfortunately still using the ghouliani method of arrest everyone and let the DA sort it out shameful
InfernalTest t1_ir5tb8t wrote
ok so i heard this interview on NPR this morining - firstly the guy was arrested in Albany NY - the NYPD doesnt arrest there; they cant, they are a city agency; he was turned over to the city for a warrant that existed in NYC and he was turned over to the Dept of Corrections which is done when you are arrested for an arrest for an outstanding warrant - esp from another agency.
this occurs with almost every person that is arrested from another agency and has an outstanding warrant in NYC and taken into custody - and from the looks of the article each of the "plaintiffs" were apprehended by some other agency and turned over to the city for "custody" ....
sounds like this is more of a problem with dept of Corrections- because essentially the Dept of Corrections controls who ( as in prisoners ) is presented at court for hearings that are IN custody - NOT the Police.
i realize this is just whistling in the wind for some people - but ultimately this article and the assertion in the NPR interview is extremely deceptive and a distortion of the actual policy and what occurs when someone has a warrant in NYC and comes into contact with the NYPD ( or MTA police or Port Authority ) - they do actually take you directly to Court - NOT Rikers ...
the problem isnt the NYPD the problem is how the courts function with people who are in custody - why the NYPD is soley being focused on is kinda indicative of someones agenda rather than truthfully conveying the facts that are in the article once you actually read it.
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wile_tex t1_ir68fwb wrote
This happened to my father in the late 90’s at cook county jail. Got lost in the system for 9 months. 9 FUCKING MONTHS! Idk how much y’all know about cook county but it’s as bad as Rikers if not worse.
mission17 t1_ir6mo9j wrote
He got a temp ban by mods in the other subreddit for being homophobic and then had the nerve to DM me and blame for it. He will certainly be back to be a mess again, though.
2chicks1bed t1_ir70u5g wrote
Meanwhile these criminals are illegally committing crimes! Who’s worst??? 😒 go find something better to do whistle blower! Try reporting real crimes instead of the “crime” of arresting criminals. The city is already crazy enough as it is without you blind advocates!
[deleted] t1_ir7d19b wrote
Yeah it's pretty messed up, especially when you consider that when a user blocks you, you are locked out of commenting or voting on any thread that user comments on.
Since this guy quite literally comments on every single thread in this sub, he has effectively weaponized the block feature to freeze out anyone he disagrees with from engaging on this sub.
Mods and admins have made it pretty clear they don't care about user feedback or platform abuse, so it's pretty much a given that they will do nothing about it.
BrieGoneThot t1_ir7d9e4 wrote
The founder of reddit is a right wing lunatic. This is ALL by design. It will make every local subreddit a ring wing echo-chamber.
Jintoboy t1_ir8kov5 wrote
Consistently has the worst takes I've seen on this sub
PrestoVivace t1_ir8p6nx wrote
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hortence1234 t1_iregkkd wrote
NYPD doesn't send anyone to Rikers. That's on the court and corrections
hortence1234 t1_iregoo1 wrote
Until you need them
hortence1234 t1_iregtur wrote
Everyone is quick to blame the NYPD because they are the first interaction when they break the law.
r55r44 t1_irehvbz wrote
Incorrect, I did need them and they didn't help lmao.
drpvn t1_ir1go9c wrote
We could wait to see what happens with this lawsuit. Or we could fill this thread with hot takes.