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manormortal t1_j367vol wrote
One of the scariest things in the world is a group of teenagers.
stalkingshadow01 t1_j36a0j8 wrote
If stop and frisk would save lives and lower crime, at the cost of inconvenience, should it be brought back?
Are those lives worth it?
stork38 t1_j36d47j wrote
The result of Cuomo and the legislature's criminal justice "reforms" is more dead kids, and oddly some in this thread are going to claim this is right wing propaganda.
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mowotlarx t1_j36j1uf wrote
So this is their press conference to try to smooth over and justify a grown man pummeling a teen girl on top of her head with his closed fists? Pathetic.
mowotlarx t1_j36j4z0 wrote
>at the cost of inconvenience
At the cost of a massive civil rights violation directed by racial discrimination, you mean?
iRedditAlreadyyy t1_j36kfa7 wrote
He skipped over all those facts.
Status_Fox_1474 t1_j36ni60 wrote
We're cutting more from the youth services budget, aren't we?
windupshoe2020 t1_j36o9sk wrote
That’s lower than I would have guessed.
luckylebron t1_j36ojx9 wrote
Clock Work Orange
ShadownetZero t1_j36t1si wrote
You're getting downvoted by clowns who don't understand why stop and frisk was actually ended.
There's nothing inherently wrong with the concept.
mowotlarx t1_j36tetj wrote
We have to make sacrifices to pay for all of the hundreds of millions we dole out in settlements due to NYPD corruption and abuse, you know?
MillennialNightmare t1_j36xox3 wrote
Yes because it is.
Scham2k t1_j36y1ff wrote
It's still a problem, but the same article also says
>That number was higher in pre-pandemic years, with those under 18 accounting for 27% of robbery arrests in 2019 and 23% of those in 2018, according to the data.
So it's unfortunately back in line with recent history, if you ignore pandemic years.
marketingguy420 t1_j36y3mu wrote
> Vote for me | give us more money
Copaganda at its finest. Since, very obviously, making public statements does nothing to actually solve this problem, the only reason to do it is to make voting populations scared enough to suck down whatever nonsense comes after, e.g. vote for me or the barbarians will rape and pillage your property or give us unlimited budget (and be nice to us) for tactical apache stealth helicopters or CVS will lock up all the deodorant
marketingguy420 t1_j36y9z6 wrote
Which of Cuomo's criminal justice reforms makes it so that we have no federal gun control and it's incredibly easy to get guns across state lines
marketingguy420 t1_j370q9f wrote
Because it didn't do anything and crime continued to drop after stop and frisk was abandoned hope this helps
stork38 t1_j372s4v wrote
The ones that let an extremely weak family court handle cases when 16-17 year olds are arrested for possession of said guns
marketingguy420 t1_j3731mm wrote
How many more 16-year-olds would you like to add to our world-leading prison population to feel safe?
Remarkable_Landscape t1_j373hh6 wrote
hmm yes the triple whammy of the New York Post, unchecked NYPD statistics, and Mayor McSwag claiming there's a reason to give cops more money. This will surely be a good, rational conversation for this subreddit.
Wise-Guarantee-7165 t1_j374agu wrote
Interesting that this commentary is coming right after an NYPD officer was filmed beating a young teenage girl in the head with his fists over and over. Probably just a crazy coincidence. /s
Also: "That number was higher in pre-pandemic years, with those under 18 accounting for 27% of robbery arrests in 2019 and 23% of those in 201""
ShadownetZero t1_j374ng6 wrote
No, but okay.
An-Angel_Sent-By-God t1_j3750le wrote
Silly question because it didn't and it wouldn't.
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mission17 t1_j3778mt wrote
He wants them beat with closed fists by police officers, actually.
mowotlarx t1_j377vsd wrote
The point of this press conference is to deflect attention away from the cop who pummeled the teenage girl with his closed fists on camera. It's just so obvious.
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casicua t1_j37a3oj wrote
Yeah and if you could let cops just arrest everyone they’re even mildly suspicious of without cause it would probably save lives too. Any more dumb questions?
mowotlarx t1_j37ag7d wrote
Those little rascals kept running into the fists of that cop! This is getting serious.
Menacing_Quokka t1_j37b23m wrote
> You're getting downvoted by clowns who don't understand why stop and frisk was actually ended.
How did you come to this conclusion.
Menacing_Quokka t1_j37b4ht wrote
We should all be in prison for our safety.
ShadownetZero t1_j37bddc wrote
Having a brain and using it.
Menacing_Quokka t1_j37bhmv wrote
...so, bullshit.
edit: blocked and sent the "we're concerned about you" message. Yeah this guy is serious.
ShadownetZero t1_j37bjx7 wrote
I can see why you would conflate those two.
Character-Patience12 t1_j37bsy3 wrote
Adams is a crap Mayor!
stork38 t1_j37cgca wrote
we can start with the ones who are doing shootings
casicua t1_j37d7rb wrote
Highest incarceration rate in the world, well on our way! USA #1!!!
Menacing_Quokka t1_j37dd4e wrote
Just one more rights violation, bro. Just one more and we'll be safe I promise.
brownredgreen t1_j37ek3x wrote
My Chemical Romance
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Die-Nacht t1_j37hx50 wrote
That and provide defense for the officer. There will be some hearing or court case on this, maybe years from now, that we won't even hear about, where the officer's defense will use what Adams says as reasoning for his actions.
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Die-Nacht t1_j37jn8h wrote
> “We’re leaving 2022 with crime…trending downward,” Adams said.
> Police Commissioner Keechant Sewell said there was an overall decrease in major crimes during the fourth quarter, as well as during “the current seven and 28 days.”
Really? 4th quarter? I wonder what happened in the 4th quarter of last year? Or more specifically, what ended in the 4th quarter of last year...
When will we learn to stop falling for these?
Evening_Presence_927 t1_j37qzkx wrote
And Adams has the gall to say crime is simply a matter of perception when he says bullshit like that.
What fascistic clown.
Rottimer t1_j37sun2 wrote
> That number was higher in pre-pandemic years, with those under 18 accounting for 27% of robbery arrests in 2019 and 23% of those in 2018, according to the data.
So the number is lower than pre-pandemic, but it’s “spiraling out of control?”
Rottimer t1_j37t4bn wrote
Those cuts to the DoE end up cutting after school programs too. Guess when most teen crimes occur.
Rottimer t1_j37th2t wrote
Because it won’t inconvenience him. It won’t make people safer either, he’ll just feel safer knowing cops are “inconveniencing” people he looks at as criminals.
someone_whoisthat OP t1_j37z89w wrote
The kids going out shooting, robbing, and assaulting were definitely in the school band program /s
centuryblessings t1_j38214t wrote
Your sarcasm falls flat. Plenty of kids are lured away from bad lifestyles because they're passionate about music and have access to free programs where they can cultivate their skills.
JaunxPatrol t1_j384s5u wrote
Quite a bit lower than pre-pandemic!
"Youngsters made up about 17% of the 9,942 robbery arrests last year, compared to 13% of those in 2021, according to NYPD data. In 2020, the statistics show minors accounted for about 19% of robbery busts.
That number was higher in pre-pandemic years, with those under 18 accounting for 27% of robbery arrests in 2019 and 23% of those in 2018, according to the data."
mowotlarx t1_j38auk2 wrote
Yes, and that conveniently lines up with a recent video of a cop punching a 14 year old girl again and again in the head. What a coincidence!! /s
ThreeLittlePuigs t1_j38c80e wrote
What did they say that was wrong?
TheNormalAlternative t1_j38dlj2 wrote
His name was Robert Paulson Bernie Goetz
NetQuarterLatte t1_j38g9l9 wrote
10% of 1,524 victims amounts to 150 underage victims.
The Uvalde school shooting in Texas had 19 underage victims. So in NYC, we are having the equivalent of 7x Uvalde shootings in a year when it comes to under-18 victims.
But I bet the media covered the Uvalde shooting more than all of the shootings in NYC combined.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j38gwhf wrote
>What a coincidence!!
It's more than a coincidence, because it's actually a precursor relationship, if you care about root causes for a minute.
Regardless of the officer lacking training, if the girls weren't fighting in the first place, the whole incident would've never happened.
mowotlarx t1_j38h9dm wrote
Ah yes, it's the teenage girls fault that a shitty cop with a track record of abuse decided to beat them over their heads with his fist when trying to break up a fight. Keep moving the goal posts and check back after we pay out another 6 figures in settlements because of that idiot cop.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j38i6qc wrote
There were many factors that contributed to what happened there.
Some people only look at the factors contributed by the cop.
Other people only look at the factors contributed by girl.
It's hard to see the root causes holistically while being blinded by ideology, but I bet it's more comfortable than looking at the reality objectively.
oreosfly t1_j38jksb wrote
Ephebiphobia: comes as a package deal when you live next to a high school!
what_mustache t1_j38ktro wrote
Uvalde also has about 0.18 percent the population of NYC. Not really a fair comparison.
brianvan t1_j38mtdo wrote
Because you were just primed by a statement that said it was “out of control”
FartSniffingDog t1_j38pcp5 wrote
Clearly you are trying to paint a narrative by ignoring population size, but the Uvalde shooting had 19 underage DEATHS. 150 kids were victims of shooting in NYC, but that does not mean 150 deaths.
machined_learning t1_j38phe3 wrote
I understand the NYPost having a trashy clickbait title, but why does this post have one? The article itself walks back the title by saying that teen violence was significantly worse a couple of years ago and is actually trending positively coming out of 2022.
Downvoting for misleading title and fearmongering.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j38qann wrote
Shawn Frye, Raelynn Cameron, ...
FartSniffingDog t1_j38rg1j wrote
Yes. That was a tragedy. Did the cops ever arrest anyone for it? No. They didn’t even find the body after the shooting, much less the perps. The body was discovered the next morning by the woman who lived at the house where he hid from the bullets behind a van.
mowotlarx t1_j38s143 wrote
The "she ran into my fist" defence probably won't work for him. Objectively, NYPD are supposed to be trained in de-escalation, specifically tactics that can't kill people (head punches kill people, btw?) to subdue someone. This guy didn't do that. He has a history of abuse and complaints. There is no both sides to this.
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machined_learning t1_j38sv6y wrote
Ah true. Well there should be a flair for misleading title or just straight up "NYPost, take with a bucket of salt"
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civilityman t1_j38xiw5 wrote
Oh so you’re just a horrible person then. Gtk
FartSniffingDog t1_j38zo46 wrote
Hmm. Wonder who could do something about that. Maybe the police and their cop mayor.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j390rup wrote
Because in your mind, the officer would’ve gone there to punch the girl no matter what happened prior to it.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j3919xn wrote
Do you actually wish the cops did something to prevent those deaths?
We might be on the same camp here.
FartSniffingDog t1_j391jsf wrote
Obviously, but the NYPD doesn’t prevent shit.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j392qh9 wrote
You’re being inconsistent here.
If NYPD doesn’t prevent shit, doesn’t that imply crimes in NYC are out of control?
FartSniffingDog t1_j395lfa wrote
The concept of crime being “out of control” is ridiculous. If it was out of control, you’d see massive looting and rioting all over the city, with police being targeted by civilians and not feeling safe. Instead, any time a police officer suffers a scratch, the entire department freaks out.
Crime does not just occur naturally due to a lack of active or effective policing. People make choices to commit crime. The police are not here to prevent crime. They are here to maintain the system and the status quo.
But you are correct. I was speaking hyperbolically. The NYPD does prevent some crime. They also prevent many people from simply living their lives, they prevent traffic from moving smoothly, they prevent other departments from being fully funded, and they prevent people from parking in their own neighborhoods by abusing their placards + issuing out placards to friends and family. Just to name a few of their prevention policies.
Bottom line: the answer is community prevention. Police should be required to live in the precinct they serve in. And, it should be service. I spent 12 years active duty in the Army. I know how to follow rules and regulations. Cops, on the other hand, don’t think the law applies to them. They should ride public transportation and not abuse their placards to park illegally all over the city. They should be punished for breaking rules. There should be more internal affairs power and civilian oversight on investigations into the many dirty cops. Also, splitting the transit police and parking/vehicle enforcement away from the NYPD proper would fix many problems, as then the NYPD can’t just file fake 311 reports when crime is noticed.
Dichotopotamus t1_j39biay wrote
Funny how NYC subreddit, filled with people not from NYC who berate the NY Post... constantly make topics from NY Post articles. Maybe you transients finally realize that the NY Post is the most direct and truthful newspaper in America.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j39gpnk wrote
I mostly agree with everything you wrote.
And I wanted to call out that this is quite a courageous thing to bring up in this sub:
>Crime does not just occur naturally due to a lack of active or effective policing. People make choices to commit crime.
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pillkrush t1_j3b26ma wrote
but the news loves to paint teens as just children
stalkingshadow01 t1_j3brd9m wrote
That’s just not true. I have been stopped and frisked before and my building’s near major police presence, so if it’s brought back, I will be stopped and frisked in the future. But that’s all I see it as each time I was stopped- an inconvenience.
It’s a question on whether lives are worth the inconvenience, and based on the downvotes, I’m sad to see political correctness > black and brown lives.
Rottimer t1_j3cdou4 wrote
Imagine calling complaints about rank racism “political correctness.”
You’ll have to forgive me if I doubt your story. Regardless, you would have to be exceedingly ignorant of stop and frisk policy if you think the criticisms of it are about “political correctness.” It didn’t save black and brown lives. And it was more than an “inconvenience” for a lot of people.
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stalkingshadow01 t1_j3cibjk wrote
To be effective, doctors target illnesses and firefighter target fires. Likewise police should target areas of high crime and high risk individuals, which is what policy is designed to do and there is nothing racist about that.
On the practical side, I recognize certain minorities will be getting stopped and frisked more than others, the same minorities that are disproportionately affected by gun violence. I see it as a trade off, inconvenience vs lives saved. People are still debating effectiveness, but the design is sound in my opinion.
Do you have some personal reason to be so against the policy, what was your experience with it during the Bloomberg years?
N3cronomicat t1_j3cr0qy wrote
What the fuck is wrong with you??
Rottimer t1_j3ctl0p wrote
So once again, despite recorded evidence to the contrary, you're making the assertion that stop and frisk worked. It did not. And it's not me saying that. It's researchers that studied it.
And despite the policy being found explicitly racist in a court of law, you'll deny that too. I really have no interest in arguing with someone that denies reality.
Have a great day.
stalkingshadow01 t1_j3d53g6 wrote
Except you’re wrong, there’s plenty that support the policy worked, but I acknowledge there’s disagreement on the matter, and you should at least do the same.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1151121
https://theconversation.com/amp/stop-and-frisk-can-work-under-careful-supervision-127785
https://psmag.com/.amp/news/trump-is-still-a-fan-of-stop-and-frisk-but-does-it-work
There’s probably just as much disagreement on whether it’s racist; and it’s not about whether anyone’s living in your reality or not.
I’m curious why you didn’t respond to my question about your actual experience on the matter. Do you even have a dog in this fight or are you just some arm chair liberal that likes to dismiss anything that doesn’t fit your worldview.
drpvn t1_j35tj7d wrote
> 10% of all shooting victims — 10% of all shooting victims in New York City — are under the age of 18.