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drpvn t1_j4qi1ab wrote

We should be using less expensive hotels that are far from the city center.

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dproma t1_j4qlhqy wrote

“The agreement is between the New York City Department of Homeless Services and the Hotel Association for as much as $55,000 per migrant”

I’d gladly take 220K for two migrants to take over my apartment for a year while I use that as a down payment for a house.

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deathhand OP t1_j4qn0h9 wrote

Lol I like the down votes.

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EsKayNYC t1_j4qopzq wrote

It’s back to the 1980s when NYC turned beautiful pre-war hotels into SROs for homeless, destroying blocks and neighborhoods, and killing businesses in the area. Tourism dollars sustain NYC. We specially need tourism now with low office-space occupancy.

The migrant crisis is a real one. They need our help, but not with knee-jerk and short-sighted thinking. I’m not qualified to offer a solution, but seemingly neither is Mr. Mayor.

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[deleted] t1_j4qq86l wrote

Replying to EsKayNYC (#1,386,696)

How are hotel occupancy rates? Not being snide, I’m genuinely curious. I agree that we need tourism but last I heard hotels were still suffering with low occupancy post COVID. I’d prefer this over hotels shutting down.

(not to mention I kind of feel like comparing this to housing the homeless does a disservice to incoming immigrants. There are endemic problems with mental health etc among homeless populations, a lot of these migrants are just going to be people looking for a better life. Way more families, for one)

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tootsie404 t1_j4qtkyt wrote

>The agreement is between the New York City Department of Homeless Services and the Hotel Association for as much as $55,000 per migrant, according to The New York Post, which first reported the deal.

Hotels, including the Row NYC Hotel on 8th Avenue, will become home to hundreds of migrants; the four-star hotel which usually charges $500 a night is now one of many considered an emergency shelter for migrants.

what a fucking racket.

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EsKayNYC t1_j4qu8pc wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,386,786)

All good points! Again, I’m not an expert on this topic but remember the blight of the last such plan. Hotel occupancy seems to be on a rebound, at least in Manhattan. Major events are mostly back or starting to come back that previously put a strain on affordable hotel options. If the city actually starts enforcing AirBNB regulations, hotel occupancy demand will increase with all the illegal AirBNB housing going back into the long-term rental pool. A double win.

I guess a middle-ground option will be to find hotels and motels in the outskirts of the city and in Long Island and Northern suburbs. There are hotels and motels in greater financial needs there. The state needs to carry its share of the burden which is unfairly put on NYC by other states.

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protonmail_throwaway t1_j4qvthd wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,386,786)

But they are homeless…

Just because that one crazy guy that screams at you in the park is also homeless doesn’t make these immigrants any less homeless. It’s not a word used to describe one particular type of displaced person who makes the newspaper or shits on the sidewalk.

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[deleted] t1_j4qxh19 wrote

Replying to protonmail_throwaway (#1,387,101)

All I’m saying is that these arriving immigrants are a different population from the homeless in the 80s that were housed in pre-war hotels. Homeless shelters don’t have a good reputation even among the homeless population itself let alone among neighbors.

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MandatoryDissent55 t1_j4r3pz9 wrote

Anybody want to go on Zillow and look up apartments that cost $9,100/mo and tell me why the fuck our taxes should be paying for that?

That's a high-end two bedroom apartment in Midtown, for each person... Who isn't even supposed to be here.

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ZinnRider t1_j4r6pov wrote

Replying to tootsie404 (#1,386,989)

Love the NY Post coverage. Anytime there’s a situation in which people who need to be helped are actually being helped it’s always a matter of money. And they’ll always be there to make sure you know how much it costs. Riles up that indignation. How much?. “I don’t want my tax dollars going to those people.”

They’re in business to divide and conquer the 99%. With stories just like these.

Notice there’s never a story calling into focus the obscene budget of the NYPD. Or the fact that the CEO of energy monopoly Con Ed takes in over $10million a year (for what?). Or that the NY Public Library has their “budget” constrained constantly while the high crimes of the financial looters go on pillaging without pause? Or that some scumbag Wall St hedge fund guy will make in a week what most people here on Reddit won’t see in a year.

But yeah. Let’s just keep beating up on the needy, the poor, the maligned and marginalized. The good ole American Way. Or more likely according to the truth, as Lou Reed put it, “Give me your poor and tired, I’ll piss in them. That’s what the Statue of Bigotry says.”

I’m not saying that anytime one of these “deals” are made there isn’t the hint of corruption present.

But be careful. If you’re really concerned about corruption the NY Post, the ultimate propaganda mouthpiece of the ruling elite and the cops, is gonna misdirect you every time.

Practically everything they print is for the purpose of keeping you in Fear. So that you’re more easily manipulated and subsumed under their control. They choose an angle for a story that, instead of eliciting focused indignation for an economic system that is a failure in providing a safeguard for people who genuinely need it, makes you turn your indignation to the people themselves.

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jeffsayno t1_j4r7ac9 wrote

If we just them them all to a local college with room and board, it'd be cheaper and they hopefully get trained in something

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Dramatic_Toe_4346 t1_j4r7j91 wrote

$55,000 for 6 months? That’s more than most NYers make in a year. I’m all for assisting those in need but there doesn’t seem to be much oversight on how the money is being spent. Looks like they are just throwing money at the problem. What happens to these people after 6 months? They are still in “illegal” status with no work authorization so do they get put out into the streets after 6 months? If NYC can’t handle this now when it’s still the low season for migration, then wait until the Spring and early Sumner when even more migrants cross the border.

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jewishseeker t1_j4r7ndp wrote

The hardworking taxpaying American citizens are consistently screwed. How about putting homeless veterans in luxury hotels and sending these migrants back to their homes?

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tamere2k t1_j4r8hiy wrote

Lol to the article saying that the Row usually charged $500 a night. They begged to be picked for this because they've fallen apart. There is no way they'd agree to it if they were still getting close to that.

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jewishseeker t1_j4rb0lc wrote

We have zero moral obligation towards the citizens of other countries when we're not even taking care of our own people..

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phoenixmatrix t1_j4rde3u wrote

Replying to tootsie404 (#1,386,989)

On one hand its definitely a racket/shifting public money to deepen some people's pockets.

On the other hand doing something like this in a time sensitive manner does limit people's options quite significantly, especially while trying not to have the neighbors losing their shit over it.

For sure some people are getting rich out of this. But I doubt even the best mayor ever would be able to do SIGNIFICANTLY better. Housing someone isn't that expensive. Housing someone in a time sensitive manner and maintaining the place (especially if its getting wrecked) is a whole other story.

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pseudochef93 t1_j4rdh0n wrote

I want my tax dollars to fund social services and a public health system that doesn’t empty my wallet for basic medical care instead of funding stuff for people who cry that we’re not doing anything for them when they’re getting a roof over their head, food that they turn down, and crying that they have no work when they’re in the neediest and most basic menial job plentiful city on earth when they have no right any of this. But you know, if your buddies with the Jersey ex-cop, I guess you can get away with it.

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phoenixmatrix t1_j4rds8y wrote

Replying to MandatoryDissent55 (#1,387,586)

I'm not defending the decision by any mean, but that would be apple and orange, assuming they're also feeding those people, maintaining the place, dealing with edge cases where folks will be wrecking it up, security, etc. If they could just rent a bunch of market place apartments and dump them in there they'd do that.

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NetQuarterLatte t1_j4rgydg wrote

>The agreement is between the New York City Department of Homeless Services and the Hotel Association for as much as $55,000 per migrant, according to The New York Post, which first reported the deal.

For a private room with a private bathroom?

That expensive as fuck, but on an emergency situation, that could've been worse.

In contrast, the city pays on a regular basis (not emergency) practically the same amount every year for each homeless shelter bed packed in a giant room, with shared bathroom facilities and little security and privacy. If you haven't seem how that looks like, do a Google image search.

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mrmrmrj t1_j4rkwar wrote

Amazon jobs are bad but paying private hotels is ok? This is madness.

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xaiur t1_j4rnbz6 wrote

Why are migrants being funneled into expensive, crowded cities?

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sternfan1523 t1_j4rnfmw wrote

Replying to drpvn (#1,386,234)

It makes zero sense why we aren’t housing them in those old hotels out by the airports that are likely mostly used for people to fuck their mistresses in. They deserve housing but why should it be in the middle of the richest area of the world

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York_Villain t1_j4rqfeo wrote

Alternate title.... "Struggling hotels receive $275 million subsidy."

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ZinnRider t1_j4rw3tk wrote

Replying to TrumpLicksBalls00 (#1,388,969)

The moment to take is yours, petty bouge.

The reference to NY Post is right there in the person’s post that I was responding to.

Seems you’re a little too social media-conditioned to scroll through things rather than take the time to actually read.

Keep scrolling though.

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Unusual-Solid3435 t1_j4rxhiu wrote

Unpopular opinion here: it's pretty on-par with how much Boston pays to house the homeless (it's a lot). It ain't cheap but it's cheaper than them on the streets causing havoc.

Maybe we could work them down a bit but this is the cost of housing the homeless, it's expensive. It would be better if we as a country started to build more housing in general and crash the housing market but everybody uses their house as a retirement plan so it won't happen. Until then these stories are only going to be more and more extreme.

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Bad_Skater t1_j4s0ccw wrote

People actually FROM this city are barley hanging on most of the time. Why not throw a couple of bucks of the 275m to my government owned housing so they can fix my fucking ceiling which is leaking and falling apart.

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Pool_Shark t1_j4s1hi4 wrote

Replying to EsKayNYC (#1,387,027)

The mayor of NYC doesn’t have justification over hotels in the suburbs.

Deblasio already turned a lot of hotels in the outer boros into homeless shelters so my guess is they needed to find other areas of the city to exploit

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Majestic-Director199 t1_j4s4e6h wrote

Where can an average New Yorker migrate to be spoiled with 9K a month from tax payer’s money? Asking for friend.

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juniperaza t1_j4ser0s wrote

The amount of empty motels all over the outer boroughs that would charge way less …

Why not set them up with an apartment for a year, a job, and a stipend for food and transportation until they can establish themselves??

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P0stNutClarity t1_j4shqid wrote

Lmfao subways falling apart, taxes high af, crime, and this is what our money is going to. I can see why folks flee for states with no income tax.

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agpc t1_j4skaa6 wrote

In the long run these migrants will help the city because an economy is made from people. Sure is fucking frustrating that middle class is priced out though.

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earlymountainrain t1_j4sktbh wrote

If they stay in the same hotel long enough will they get tenancy rights?

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thebusiness7 t1_j4slini wrote

Replying to MandatoryDissent55 (#1,387,586)

The US could have used the money to set up “safe zones” in industrial zones within Mexico (and LatAm) to ensure worker safety and the people would have stayed there instead of coming north. They mainly come for safety / to work.

Before people start saying “but it’s their problem”, the US has a horrible track record of destroying and destabilizing their nations: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor , along with the C I A nurturing the cartels in the 1980s onward to create a supply chain so they could profit: https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/archive/special/9712/ch01p1.htm

At this stage it’s evident there’s a corrupt faction at the top (intel agencies with no oversight) of people who DON’T work for the public, yet take public tax dollars, and the public still has to foot the bill for the shit resulting from the destabilization of other countries.

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jessicat7474 t1_j4snv0m wrote

I wonder which of his cronies is making out like a bandit.

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Obstinate_Turnip t1_j4so8mk wrote

I wonder what it would cost New Yorkers to pay Venezuelans to stay in Venezuela, say? I'm guessing it would be a lot less than we're paying to house them here?

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againblahisnothere t1_j4sqaut wrote

Can someone please come in and write out the meaning of sanctuary city again? Cause last I heard everything negative is just Republican talking points.

Meanwhile that’s money that could have gone to the homeless here

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AnacharsisIV t1_j4sqim8 wrote

Replying to tootsie404 (#1,386,989)

FYI the Row used to be the Milford Plaza, it's old and musty and like a step above a Motel 6. The place is far from a luxury hotel and I'm honestly baffled by whomever gave them four stars.

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LunacyNow t1_j4sqwgn wrote

Wouldn't it be cheaper to fly these people back to the origin countries and let them do their asylum request from there?

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gaylonelymillenial t1_j4svbpj wrote

Can’t even afford a place here. This is frustrating. All while watching his hotel friends make a crazy amount of money on this deal. Any info on if any of these hotel owners donated to the mayor or anything like that? This just seems insane.

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2ohny t1_j4sxrpy wrote

Wtf is this, Adam?

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SaintFrancesco t1_j4sz4c7 wrote

Replying to sternfan1523 (#1,388,723)

Moved here from SF before the pandemic and they had just built a brand new homeless shelter on prime waterfront land on the Embarcadero near the Ferry Building. It made absolutely no sense to put it there. What are these mayors doing?

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GravityIsVerySerious t1_j4t0b8x wrote

What the fuck? This is unconscionable. That is so much money. That’s an entire work forces’ raises the City just gave away. This can’t be real.

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RetroZelda t1_j4t40um wrote

wonder how many people will try to blend in with the migrants to get free* room and board

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NewYorker0 t1_j4tcpzd wrote

NYC defunded all major departments including schools, libraries, parks and police and for what?

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NewYorker0 t1_j4te4d1 wrote

NYPD, DOE and others all had their budget cut and we are paying $55,000 a year to house people who never paid a fucking dime in taxes. We have poor infrastructure, corrupt and inefficient school system and ever rising cost of living. Who is this city for? Why don’t more people vote? Why do we only have 20% voter turnout?

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bree718 t1_j4tgmg6 wrote

I’d like some monies too

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Jaaawsh t1_j4tjy7a wrote

Replying to LunacyNow (#1,390,982)

This was what the MPP tried to do, except keep them in Mexico because that wasn’t against international law like sending them back to their home countries would technically be. Biden ended that program though, of course.

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Jaaawsh t1_j4tkzbf wrote

Replying to pseudochef93 (#1,388,139)

We will never be able to implement the kind of social programs and safety net that I and most people who aren’t hardcore conservatives would like to see; if we do not fix our immigration system (and no, Democratic Socialists, Koch libertarians, and limousine-nimby-liberals… that does not mean simply making it easier for anyone who wants to, to be able to legally come)

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ifallsmn218 t1_j4tlsfp wrote

This is on the right-wing governors for sending these migrants here. This is purely for fundraising & out of spite. It has nothing to do with ‘these people want to go to NYC’. That’s bs. Most of these migrants have family who work in agricultural settings in the US already, and I doubt they’re milking cows or digging potatoes in Times Square.

If the goal is for this migrant resettlement to be a success then you don’t send them to the most expensive city in America. You send them to the cheapest cities closest to where they entered the country, like Tulsa, Little Rock, Paducah, Baton Rouge, Springfield, Wichita, Missoula, Des Moines, Rapid City, Sioux Falls, Fargo, Grand Forks and so on. Low cost of living and plenty of cheap land to develop more affordable housing if need be.

These red states have been sending their criminals, homeless and addicts to CA & NY for decades while nobody has said anything. And we pay for them.

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sr71Girthbird t1_j4tn4rx wrote

Replying to tamere2k (#1,387,892)

Exactly. Certainly a conundrum any way around it. Easier to provide services when you get a bunch of people in need to stay in one place, so hotels are obvious choices. Not like many people would be champing at the bit to have them living nextdoor either. Price tag aside there probably aren't many other options besides repurposing unused office space or something like that, and the groundwork and pushback (from other tenants in such a theoretical building) around that sort of fix likely makes it a bad option as well.

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Jaaawsh t1_j4tnv13 wrote

Replying to IsayNigel (#1,392,530)

We? ‘We’ are not corporations or the military industrial complex that lobby for the things you speak of. ‘We’ are not the corrupt officials who run these other countries.

‘We’ are people who are being squeezed by bigger and bigger taxes, fees, inflation, rent, healthcare costs all while not having wages commensurately increase. ‘We’ are the 60% of people who live paycheck-to-paycheck one emergency away from homelessness. All the while ‘we’ watch people who are not even citizens get placed in hotels in some of the most sought-after areas to live in, making sure their needs are taken care of like food and healthcare. And then when ‘we’ get mad about this ‘we’ have to listen to morally-righteous-virtue-signaling-bleeding-hearts who advocate for conflicting policy goals; chastise us for being responsible for things a handful of rich and influential people make decisions about and how if we don’t agree with them that it is our moral responsibility to take care of the entire developing and undeveloped world’s peoples then it’s because we’re cold-hearted or racist or closeminded-maga-worshippers.

No. Just no. I don’t support hardly anything Abbot or Desantis support, and the transfer of migrants to cities like NY is obviously a cynical political ploy but seems like this needed to happen to make people in living in the blue-bubbles that are metro areas start to realize that perhaps looser immigration doesn’t mix with their other policy goals.

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IsayNigel t1_j4tq8jb wrote

Replying to Jaaawsh (#1,392,837)

Lmao I work a far more thankless job that requires far more personal sacrifice than you do, so spare me about “how hard it is” I live it every day. These migrants have to deal with unimaginable hardships after our policy choices fuck up their entire countries so they walk thousands of miles, and you’re mad they get to stay in a hotel for a few months because why, you deserve to live in mid town for some reason? I feel like they’d rather probably be in their home countries instead of in a brand new place where they may or may not speak the language and most people hate them. But I’m sorry you don’t get to live in a hotel or whatever.

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mak1028summet t1_j4tqgxz wrote

Most nyc union workers are suffering from high inflation and years of stagnant raises. Most contracts are up and city us saying they are broke. This money could have been spent on the hero workers who keep this city going City is on a bad path and pocking up sped

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DrinkYoDamnJuice t1_j4tr6nt wrote

San Franciscan here 👋 - I can say with full confidence that this will be a disaster.

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Jaaawsh t1_j4trilu wrote

Replying to IsayNigel (#1,392,962)

I don’t hate them, I emphasize with them but that doesn’t mean I’m going to virtue signal and advocate martyrdom because of policy choices made by lobbyists and the politicians they have in their pocket along with the corrupt officials in other countries.

The fact is, the economically progress policies and programs many people would like to see, will never be realized with our current immigration policies. Well, unless we find a way to effortlessly create goods and provide services out of thin air for an infinite amount of people.

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[deleted] t1_j4txriz wrote

This really aint right. Send these mfs back

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Kind-Base6336 t1_j4ty3jb wrote

To all of you complaining, NYC is an international city so it’s not only going to cater to Americans. If you want that, the south or even Jersey is suitable for you.

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jumbod666 t1_j4tzkf5 wrote

Keep voting for the same one party rule and expecting things to change is nuts

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BacchusIsKing t1_j4upbgd wrote

I work near The Watson on 57th St., which is another of the migrant hotels. I think they also set them up with e-bikes (and maybe a delivery job?), because there are like a hundred bikes parked out front in a giant row.

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Historical_Pair3057 t1_j4v2no1 wrote

Replying to sternfan1523 (#1,388,723)

We are. Spring Hill hotel near La Guardia and other hotels in the Queens, Brooklyn amd Vronx were filled in Aug, Sep and Oct. They started using hotels in Manhattan as a last resort, when the buses kept coming in Oct, Nov, Dec...

Source: I volunteer at Penn Station, receiving migrants when they step off the bus and facilitate their placement

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dagobahnmi t1_j4vklev wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,395,008)

Just funding and supporting multinational drug cartels, overthrowing and assassinating democratically elected leaders and politicians and installing psycho dictators who torture and murder their citizens, sponsoring and coordinating with ultra-violent militias to control popular political sentiment, and maybe a little light military intervention from time to time.

If you don’t think the US (as a state actor) bears a substantial amount of responsibility for the current state of Latin America, I’d suggest that you may not be as well informed as you might assume. Really don’t mean to be a dick here, but the broad history of US intervention in LatAm is not especially debatable, and easily researched.

Edit: the now deleted (lol) comment said “last I checked we aren’t dropping bombs on South America”, or something to that effect (I think that’s a literal quote but if not it was very close).

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spicytoastaficionado t1_j4vvs6x wrote

Replying to xaiur (#1,388,715)

Because Adams talked a whole lot of shit about NYC welcoming them for the cheap PR when small border towns in TX were overwhelmed.

You can only hold so many press conferences running you mouth until red state governors call your bluff.

And for context, NYC is "overwhelmed" because of the amount of migrants that have come here in the past six months, which is equivalent to approx. 5 days along the border.

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spicytoastaficionado t1_j4w549s wrote

Replying to ifallsmn218 (#1,392,739)

>It has nothing to do with ‘these people want to go to NYC’. That’s bs. Most of these migrants have family who work in agricultural settings in the US already, and I doubt they’re milking cows or digging potatoes in Times Square.

Nobody is being bussed here against their will.

Also, you can find articles detailing how migrants are thankful to be bussed to friendlier jurisdictions like D.C. and NYC over staying in Texas border towns.

Migrants in El Paso are not being set up in hotels and having their expenses paid for.

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>If the goal is for this migrant resettlement to be a success then you don’t send them to the most expensive city in America.

For migrant resettlement to be a success, it can't be built off of economic migrants exploiting the asylum process, so the system is already destined for failure.

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>You send them to the cheapest cities closest to where they entered the country, like Tulsa, Little Rock, Paducah, Baton Rouge, Springfield, Wichita, Missoula, Des Moines, Rapid City, Sioux Falls, Fargo, Grand Forks and so on.

Once migrants are released from federal custody, they can't be forced to go anywhere.

Migrants are offered free bus trips to NYC and are taking them. Perhaps if the mayor of Tulsa holds multiple press conferences saying they'll take migrants as Adams did for over a year, the governor of TX will route some Greyhounds there.

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>These red states have been sending their criminals, homeless and addicts to CA & NY for decades while nobody has said anything

NYC has had multiple scandals with bussing homeless people out of the city.

Also, look at the stats for homelessness in CA. Most of them are long-time residents (10+ years) of the state.

And your conspiracy theory of NY criminals being red-state transplants is not backed by evidence.

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spicytoastaficionado t1_j4w7ia6 wrote

Hundreds of millions for hotels, including midtown rooms.

Nearly $10 billion for a "sanctuary facility" in Brooklyn.

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....But of course we have to cut almost $35 million from the city's libraries.

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Unusual-Solid3435 t1_j4xnluy wrote

Replying to Jaaawsh (#1,400,373)

No, they are super super fucked legally because they crossed the Rio Grande without papers (while my wife was 2). Because of that they will never attain citizenship, they are stuck in America for the rest of their lives. The only possible way for them to attain citizenship is if they go back to Mexico and stay out of the US for 10 years, which is untenable with their health. All the while their daughter was lucky enough to receive and keep her DACA long enough to find a US citizen to fall in love with (basically the only path to citizenship for DACA recipients). Her parents aren't so lucky just because they don't have the paper that says they simply overstayed their visa.

We make good money and pay a lot of taxes but this will always weigh us down.

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nychuman t1_j513h2h wrote

Replying to juniperaza (#1,390,225)

>Why not set them up with an apartment for a year, a job, and a stipend for food and transportation until they can establish themselves??

Pretty insane how this would actually be the cheaper option in the long run…

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juniperaza t1_j51qf96 wrote

Replying to nychuman (#1,407,775)

Right! They could even throw in classes for them to attend at a community college or even a regular CUNY so they can properly establish themselves. There’s so many ideas they could have gone with.

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werdnak84 t1_j534q0v wrote

Nice! More crime!

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... wait a moment...

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rkkkb t1_j5k6bg4 wrote

Hey my condo can easily hold 4 person and i would gladly take that 220,000 for the next 6 month.

Me and my family can stay at either of our parents place.

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