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juniperaza t1_j6cfm39 wrote

On top of the fact that we’re probably responsible for their country’s destabilization.

PS: let’s not pretend like the Pentagon won’t come with some documents 50 years later regarding the CIA going ‘’Oh that whole thing with Venezuela in 2023? That was all us because you know national security, oil — oops I mean — the safety of our country blah blah’’

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juniperaza t1_j6asvjb wrote

Really? I feel like therapists are more likely to take insurance. I think the real problem lies with psychiatrists. Very, very few of them take insurance and if they do, they’re fully booked for months out. And if you have shit insurance, you end up needing to go through public hospitals and their psychiatrists are also booked up.

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juniperaza t1_j61a8in wrote

Lol. Here is the bullshit again. You realize in the FAQ for emergency Medicaid, it specifically says that you only qualify for the program based on income requirements. And that income requirement for literally one person would mean they’re making less than $18K annually. Denying emergency medical care to an undocumented individual making less than $18K because the asshole making $50K has to pay a $500 copay wants to throw a fit is absurd. And literally emergency medical care is to save a life — it does not replace primary care or any of the other health specialties someone will PROBABLY need in their lifetime.

And you keep saying that no one should be turned away from the ER but you’re taking issue with a program that ensures that no one is afraid to visit the ER when their life depends on it. Like I’m not sure what you’re not comprehending here but I feel like the connection is pretty clear? Why are you taking issue with a program that has the only objective of making sure that anyone gets medical care when they need it?

It’s crazy because I could’ve swore Orange is the New Black had a whole season about how cruel immigration policies truly are in the US but clearly had no impact on American society. What a waste.

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juniperaza t1_j61a4h2 wrote

Lol. Here is the bullshit again. You realize in the FAQ for emergency Medicaid, it specifically says that you only qualify for the program based on income requirements. And that income requirement for literally one person would mean they’re making less than $18K annually. Denying emergency medical care to an undocumented individual making less than $18K because the asshole making $50K has to pay a $500 copay wants to throw a fit is absurd. And literally emergency medical care is to save a life — it does not replace primary care or any of the other health specialties someone will PROBABLY need in their lifetime.

And you keep saying that no one should be turned away from the ER but you’re taking issue with a program that ensures that no one is afraid to visit the ER when their life depends on it. Like I’m not sure what you’re not comprehending here but I feel like the connection is pretty clear? Why are you taking issue with a program that has the only objective of making sure that anyone gets medical care when they need it?

It’s crazy because I could’ve swore Orange is the New Black had a whole season about how cruel immigration policies truly are in the US but clearly had no impact on American society. What a waste. I guess im the only one who cried 🤷🏻‍♀️

Edit: and last thing because I’m over arguing with stupid — I didn’t see your edit on your last comment but the whole NYC hospitals have charity care programs. Those are for residents aka citizens/permanent residents. And the major health systems in NYC are include NYP, Mount Sinai, and many more private healthcare chains who in fact do not see individuals without proof of payment aka insurance or self pay. With that being said, those private healthcare chains will only see undocumented individuals in their ER since it’s mandated by law thankfully.

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juniperaza t1_j617tep wrote

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/ochia/downloads/pdf/fly-957-emergency-medicaid-english.pdf

It literally lasts 12 months and it’s for solely ER visits. And why would we ever try to turn anyone away from the ER? Do you realize the ER ONLY treats medical emergencies right? You realize that if you came into the ER for a non-emergency, you would be discharged and referred to an outpatient provider right? It also states that in the FAQs for the program. So I’m really unsure what your point here is. Why should we turn anyone away from the ER?

And I’ve never once argued for open borders. I’ve been arguing for lenient immigration policies that don’t separate families or deport children? So again, genuinely confused at one your point here is but I’m guessing this is the Trump views talking? Or maybe the lack of reading comprehension skills? I mean you’ve been doing quick google searches at everything you’ve been throwing my way. So it doesn’t surprise me that you haven’t actually taken out the time to read what you’re mentioning lol.

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juniperaza t1_j6159zf wrote

LOL. God you’re fucking stupid. But then again, Jordan Klepper has already proven that when it comes to how daft Trump supporters can be.

Firstly, emergency Medicaid is pretty much available to anyone. And it’s only for emergencies aka if someone is dying or suffering from a health condition that needs to be treated in the ER. The ER is not primary care nor does it provide anything. I know this because my mom went untreated for kidney disease for years before she became a permanent resident. And are we really going to deny someone medical care? I’m confused. And why are you mentioning migrants? Are you fucking stupid? The whole thread of comments started with a general comment about all immigrants. 36K migrants does not represent the actual 2 million+ immigrants that actually live in NYC lol. And I promise you they don’t all live in hotels and receive free meals. But you can continue to think that because the only thing you’ve proven is how incredibly xenophobic and racist you are. Congrats babe.

And wanted to add one last thing, you need a social security number to qualify for social welfare programs. Undocumented immigrants do not have a social security because well they’re here ‘’illegally’’. They’re unable to qualify for benefits in short. But you’re a moron who googled and ran with the only thing you saw which was ‘’emergency Medicaid’’. Which will only cover visits at the ER and no ER is permitted to deny anyone regardless of whether they’re a citizen or not lol. I guess our emergency rooms have better morals than the supposed ‘’NYers’’ that decided to comment on this post.

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juniperaza t1_j60slvm wrote

Lol read my response to the other person. If we allowed undocumented immigrants to become citizens they would have to PAY taxes. We wouldn’t lose those safety nets if anything it would bankroll the dying social security program. Undocumented immigrants today cannot take advantage of any federal/state benefits so what is your point?

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juniperaza t1_j60s8cf wrote

We didn’t just have ‘’open borders’’ in the 1700s. In fact, we didn’t have open borders at all in the 1700s if you take into account that only a certain group were allowed in. And you’re making the argument under the assumption that those individuals wouldn’t pay taxes. Wouldn’t it be better to have those undocumented paying taxes versus not paying them? Like you do understand that being a law abiding resident/citizen would mean they would be paying taxes and contributing to society correct? And there is no guarantee to be taken care of financially like I’m sorry but when did I ever say that we should guarantee that those we allow to become naturalized would have financial support? Stop making shit up lol. And those socialist reforms we have in place were put in by left wing leaning politicians who supported lenient immigration policies right? It’s funny how Republicans love to shout their anti-immigration views in defense that it would take away from socialist policies that were put in place by politicians who were very much in support of immigrants lol. The fucking audacity. To put it in simple words, your argument is wrong because if you allowed undocumented immigrants to become citizens they would be paying taxes and therefore increasing the budgets that go towards those ‘’safety nets’’ you’ve been crying about. And no the country is not crowded. The US is huge. In my initial comment, I said NYC may not be the best place for migrants but there are other areas of the US that would benefit. Have a great night!

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juniperaza t1_j60mn2x wrote

I just want to make a general comment. Isn’t it funny how Americans are suddenly against immigration despite the US being responsible for most of the destabilization of these immigrants’ countries? And now thanks to these headlines, all the xenophobes want to come of whatever hole they were in to voice their opinions. Ignorance is somehow always the loudest.

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juniperaza t1_j60mbxy wrote

If you’re a Trump supporter, please just start with that. Your views are literally in align with Trump. That’s says a lot. It’s funny how the internet brings out the ugly in people.

But let me try and dissect what you’re saying because honestly those ‘’illegal immigrants’’ can string a coherent sentence with better grammar than you can lol.

And it doesn’t matter if the US was colonized, the American Indians were here first so shouldn’t they have a say in who can become a citizen? If you’re going to ask me how much could my mother really have contributed if she was only here for 30 years, then how much could the colonists have really contributed if they weren’t here as long as the American Indians if that makes sense. And the whole point of me mentioning the fact that the US was built on the labor of immigrants is to point out that the US was always meant to be accepting of those who wanted freedom from religious persecution, freedom of speech etc. Undocumented immigrants should be given the chance to become a naturalized citizen. Canada hasn’t faced any negative outcomes with their lenient immigration policy so confused on what the bitching is about.

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juniperaza t1_j60kuxo wrote

Because the policies I support are the ones that resolve inhumane problems? Do I need to link an article depicting all the families that have been separated and caged like animals? Like I’m sorry but yes I’m selfish for supporting a policy that would have prevented my mother not getting caged up like an animal had she not been naturalized. And why exactly do you think that staying in a country for 30 years separated from your family and pretty much everyone you know except your daughter is such a trophy? My mom didn’t want to stay in the US — she stayed because she had me to support. And in theory, let’s say my mom was deported while she was undocumented — do you really think it would be humane to separate a family and force the child to go into a very much broken foster care system? Like what am I missing here? My story is one among COUNTLESS stories. There are kids who are undocumented who participate in the DACA program and join the army and contribute society. Why would we ever want to deport them? They’re fucking kids. DACA and DAPA were great immigration reform policies and I sincerely hope Biden is able to continue them.

I’m convinced this subreddit has suddenly been overrun by nasty, brain dead Republicans. All of the policies that I’ve seen people in support of are in align with Trump’s views — that’s fucking weird.

And it doesn’t surprise me that you’re anti-mask. I’m guessing your anti vax as well.

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juniperaza t1_j5yepjo wrote

You can have programs set up that make it easier for children who grew up in the US or parents of US citizens to become naturalized citizens. In other words, make it easier for those who have established a life here in the US to become a citizen. It’s not hard. If Reagan can do it in the early 80s, why can’t we as well in 2023? I’m vocalizing strictly for DAPA and DACA (programs that Obama was pushing during his presidency). I said initially I don’t think that NYC should be the recipient of ALL migrants. But during my mom’s own process of getting naturalized, Trump made it much harder whereas Obama/Biden made it relatively easier. There’s no reason we should have strict immigration laws in place for those who are otherwise law abiding and contribute to society. It’s just funny how some of the newer members of this subreddit think those who have been in the country longer than they’ve been alive do not have a right to be here. What ever happened to ‘’Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free’’??

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juniperaza t1_j5yaxhv wrote

Over a 100 years ago before this country existed? Not to be a smart ass but the US was established well over 200 years so I’m a bit confused on your timeline here. And I am justifying ‘’illegal immigration’’. Every other country has laws that make it easier to become a naturalized citizen. The US has some of the strictest immigration control. Trump made it much stricter for a definite time period. And honestly, a lot of the rhetoric that people have been spewing on this subreddit is on par with the views of Republicans. If you all feel that programs like DACA or DAPA shouldn’t exist and your views align with Republicans/Xenophobics, why not just say that?

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juniperaza t1_j5y7ifv wrote

Yeah you can take your laws and stick it up where the sun doesn’t shine. The whole rhetoric of this country was built on immigrants still shines true today. And the fact that it’s incredibly hard to become a citizen in the US is still an issue. It says a lot when fucking Reagan has more morals and more sense than the people on this subreddit who think it’s okay to spew their xenophobia on this page.

Edit: and side note, my story wasn’t mean to be touching. My mom established LEGAL permanent residence a while ago. I’m pointing out the fact that many children would be torn from their parents and that will never be ok.

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