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[deleted] t1_jctt15k wrote

Why is there a hookah lounge on campus that caters to non students open so late?

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tiswapb t1_jctv7ug wrote

Because it’s not on campus. That’s the issue that Temple struggles with as a whole. Its an open campus in the middle of North Philly. Most of the issues are just off campus or near off campus student housing a few blocks away.

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[deleted] t1_jcw6l6h wrote

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tiswapb t1_jcwd6ty wrote

I’m not trying to say that’s the solution, just commenting on how Temple is set up. Let’s be real, a murder happens right off campus, it makes headlines. A murder happens ten blocks away and it doesn’t. And we can all agree that’s a messed up reality.

It’s a complex problem in this city as a whole but also one that Temple uniquely faces that I don’t think any other school does. La Salle is pretty much gated. Penn just razed entire communities and built over it and now has Penn Alexander, a school meant for disadvantaged kids instead full of privileged kids and ensuring that the surrounding neighborhood property values shoot up. And Drexel pretty much has ridden on the coattails of Penn.

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[deleted] t1_jctwcsm wrote

I am intimately familiar with every nook and cranny of Philadelphia. Whether it’s on campus or just next to it, it is my opinion that this type of business should not be there.

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cerialthriller t1_jctyz1a wrote

Wait they opened this place without your approval? What the fuck how can the city let this happen

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[deleted] t1_jcu1jdr wrote

Oh that is totally my point spot on. You’re so wise and smart.

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the_hoagie t1_jctxurl wrote

Your issue is with the hookah lounge?

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[deleted] t1_jcty6m6 wrote

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the_hoagie t1_jctzdru wrote

seems misguided to target the establishment as opposed to the people committing the crime. they have a right to be open and do business. hookah's popularity is wider than folks who shoot each other.

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[deleted] t1_jcu04r5 wrote

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the_hoagie t1_jcu07sd wrote

Why? Private clubs are open later than 2am all the time in this city. This place doesn't even serve alcohol.

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thereisnodevil666 t1_jctzlqd wrote

Shootings can occur anywhere people have guns. This includes any business at any time of day.

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RufusLaButte t1_jcu0fwb wrote

Or even places where businesses aren't open, dare I say

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thereisnodevil666 t1_jcu1mo9 wrote

But that kind of shooting doesn't count according to this gentleman. Clearly it is the opportunity to pay for goods and services after 2 am that creates these shootings according to him.

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tiswapb t1_jcu48qd wrote

Unfortunately, I can’t find a provision in the zoning code that says businesses can only operate where SpauldingSmails18 allows it. Can you show me where that is? I’ll pass it along to the property owner and we’ll get this all sorted right away.

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jpbrown971 t1_jctv28p wrote

It’s not on campus

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[deleted] t1_jctvpym wrote

The article states “a few feet” from. The city shouldn’t have permitted this business here.

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H00die5zn t1_jctware wrote

There’s no valid reason to not permit it tho

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TunaHands t1_jctxx2n wrote

To be fair, it’s in the first floor of a privately owned student housing apartment complex. I lived there in 2012. Not just some random hole in the wall on a corner.

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[deleted] t1_jctyg7o wrote

Are you saying private business can’t be regulated?

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TunaHands t1_jcu1l8j wrote

What? How on earth did you get that from a simple statement that it’s in the same building as student housing.

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[deleted] t1_jctx2gp wrote

I’d argue shootings at 3am are a valid reason to pull a permit.

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rollingstoner215 t1_jctw7r3 wrote

What’s wrong with a hookah lounge?

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[deleted] t1_jctx7xy wrote

A business that attracts assholes that shoot people at 3am is what is wrong

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rollingstoner215 t1_jcu0p6w wrote

What neighborhood should that business be put in?

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[deleted] t1_jcu13mz wrote

None if it is to be open until at least 3am. Put it in Society Hill.

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thereisnodevil666 t1_jcu2yz7 wrote

Why not just set a 2 am curfew then if this is the weird fucking hill you're on? Anyone out at 3 am is up to no good, right?

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rossdowdell t1_jctwv4g wrote

Armed robberies and violent crime are becoming frequent near and in these establishments.

The belief that weed is entirely harmless and makes users docile is an embellishment.

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sttme t1_jctx2ve wrote

Hookah is tobacco…

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rossdowdell t1_jctzumy wrote

I just figured out something.

You typed, "Hookah is tobacco."

"A" hookah is a container that you heat up to smoke the contents.

You commented on this while completely ignorant of the subject.

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rossdowdell t1_jctxeaw wrote

You never smoked weed or other drugs out of a hookah? I have.

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uptown_gargoyle t1_jcu1rgd wrote

How many people got shot afterwards though

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rossdowdell t1_jcu2hk2 wrote

Vague question. I'm not sure what you're asking.

For all I know, this particular incident was just a random shooting that has nothing to do with the business. Hopefully more details are forthcoming.

But I'd probably avoid being near a hookah lounge at 3 AM in North Philly, if only because I value my life.

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Ragoz t1_jcu518r wrote

Oh god that was perfect for a laugh. Thanks.

>claims to smoked other drugs out of a hookah

>gets asked how many people were shot in relation to that specific event

>That's a vague question!

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SnapCrackleMom t1_jctwrru wrote

I think it's more campus-adjacent than actually on campus.

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[deleted] t1_jctwvzx wrote

Semantics. It shouldn’t be there.

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SnapCrackleMom t1_jctykqc wrote

Where should it be?

One thing that I think gets lost in the discussion of Temple safety is that everyone who lives in North Philly is just as deserving of a safe environment as a Temple student.

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[deleted] t1_jctz2vl wrote

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thereisnodevil666 t1_jcu1dd6 wrote

There are 74,000 people total in Cherry Hill, most of whom can't physically get out of their neighborhood without a car. By comparison, there are about 40,000 students at Temple.

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SnapCrackleMom t1_jcu1pj9 wrote

Oh, I think I was misunderstanding what you were saying. You're saying hookah lounges either shouldn't exist or shouldn't be allowed to stay open that late?

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thereisnodevil666 t1_jctx5tb wrote

Why not?

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[deleted] t1_jctxdih wrote

Because people shoot people there

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thereisnodevil666 t1_jctyezz wrote

People don't get shot driving? At house parties? At bars? Or are you one of those everyone should be home by 10 and things won't happen types? Death to third places will prevent shootings, right?

No one should ever be able to leave their house to chill after 9 pm, that'll limit shootings!

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[deleted] t1_jctyras wrote

Please explain to me the societal benefit of a hookah lounge being open at 3am next to an important institution

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nolandeluca t1_jcv0oiz wrote

Lmao it's just a clickbait title, Temples campus is quite small compared to the area off campus housing is trying to gentrify

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