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go_berds t1_jctwf85 wrote

Jesus Christ man. If the city/state don’t get this area under control temple is in serious trouble

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rollingstoner215 t1_jctwu29 wrote

Temple’s in trouble regardless.

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kanye_come_back t1_jcu2dzp wrote

Yeah I am here right now and the future isn't rosy. I can tell a lot of talented kids they would have picked up otherwise are choosing to go elsewhere.

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go_berds t1_jcu39ie wrote

I graduated only 2 years ago and already it’s gotten so much worse :(

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aburke626 t1_jcubpge wrote

This breaks my heart, it was not like this when I went to and worked at Temple. Everyone was careful but in terms of random violence, there was very very little of it.

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kanye_come_back t1_jcudf9q wrote

There is a genuine perverse feeling of needing to be ready to stand up for yourself bc violence prevention is limited outside of Campus. Especially if you rely on public transit it now takes a spine to go to Temple.

I am lucky that I am a thick skinned, in-shape dude.

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FDE3030 t1_jcu33jl wrote

Always has been

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rollingstoner215 t1_jcu3vfg wrote

Nah there was a stretch in the 1960’s after it became a public school where the programs earned respect and distinction.

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Philodemus1984 t1_jcu9ssd wrote

Temple was on the upswing a decade ago, with crime levels low and earning an R1 status. It still has many nationally respected programs, though the business school obviously tarnished its reputation.

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ArgentumFlame t1_jcweq3p wrote

Can you elaborate more on the business school tarnishing the reputation? When I went to Temple they were DUMPING money into the Fox School so this is somewhat surprising to me

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uptown_gargoyle t1_jcwj25p wrote

Former Temple University business dean convicted of fraud in rankings scheme (Nov. 2021)

>A former dean of Temple University's business school was convicted Monday of fraud in a scheme to boost the school's rankings by providing false information to U.S. News & World Report's prestigious annual surveys to maximize tuition dollars and donations, federal officials said.

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jersey_girl660 t1_jcugldw wrote

Temple is still a respected school. The neighborhood is another story.

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rollingstoner215 t1_jcuoo3b wrote

Not if you work there

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jersey_girl660 t1_jcuork1 wrote

… no????

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rollingstoner215 t1_jcuw6ct wrote

Maybe you heard about the recent graduate student union strike?

Nobody’s happy, but most of us just accept that we made a terrible decision in coming to work at Temple.

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TheBSQ t1_jcupxk8 wrote

Didn’t Krasner refuse to hire Temple Law grads because he didn’t want B-listers?

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FDE3030 t1_jcu489c wrote

You might be right, when I say “always” I guess I mean since 1970’s, heard friends say it wasn’t safe back then

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Mysterious_Bobcat483 t1_jcv6f6j wrote

I went to high school on/adjacent to Temple campus, early 80s. Nothing nuts, just a rough area off campus. Nothing like this.

ETA Werst philly/uni city was way worse then

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rollingstoner215 t1_jcu6ew5 wrote

Oh I don’t know about the neighborhood, I just meant the school itself is in trouble.

Re: neighborhood violence, on the one day a week I’m in the office, I’m dismissed early “for my safety,” to help reduce the odds I am hit by a stray bullet while I wait for the bus.

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Allemaengel t1_jcu8rtx wrote

City Hall and Harrisburg to the rescue?

I just can't picture what that looks like.

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Effective_Golf_3311 t1_jcuav8h wrote

Recreating UC in NP.

Otherwise TU might have to get creative.

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MonkeyPanls t1_jcumk4a wrote

You mean TempleTown? Peter Liacouras couldn't do it.

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Effective_Golf_3311 t1_jcup731 wrote

Yeah. I think it’s time for that to happen. There was a different dynamic then.

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FrankGrimesApartment t1_jcv1knu wrote

Probably easier to just move Temple U somewhere else.

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Effective_Golf_3311 t1_jcv26k9 wrote

They threatened to move to Ambler a few years back, but the city doubled down on helping them. Now they’ve all but pulled back and turned their backs on the school. Maybe it’s time to start working on that move.

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go_berds t1_jcui0en wrote

What’s UC?

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Effective_Golf_3311 t1_jcukqhh wrote

University City

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[deleted] t1_jcusvxk wrote

How long did it take Penn to improve West Philly? I lived with a landlord that bought his house on the corner of 44th and Larchwood in the 80’s and said the neighborhood struggled at that time.

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neurosci_student t1_jcv02kp wrote

Yup the 80s-90s was about the worst of it. Starting with the Sansom Common development in the 90s replacing the "dead zone" parking lots north of campus and then further development on the west side of campus in the early 00s things got better.

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Effective_Golf_3311 t1_jcv0ncb wrote

And not a chance either of those schools allow it to return. Too much rides on it, just as Temple is finding out now.

Hopefully we don’t lose our memories of the mid-10s and how the neighborhood was before too long.

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neurosci_student t1_jcv3oa0 wrote

Penn has cash - the endowment is like 20 billion. Temple doesn't, it's a state university. Penn will keep University City gleaming even if the city falls apart because they are the landlord for most of the area which allows them to be a pseudo-municipality by creating their own rules for land use. They own the property for several blocks around the university and lease it to developers that will meet their standards. This is on top of their security apparatus which is also well funded and about the same size as Temple. But you can't just police your way out of the problem - the thing that makes UCity safer is that its development and management allows Penn to operate much more like a campus than a city university.

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Effective_Golf_3311 t1_jcv5p6w wrote

UPenn security is probably closer to double TUs now.

Back in 2010 they were about the same size but the current admin has been pretty adept at destroying various departments within the school and the PD/security is no exception.

TUPD recently said it’s at about 65 for staffing instead of the 115 or whatever that they had 10 years ago

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Mcjibblies t1_jcwte23 wrote

Temple has the 3rd largest non-profit endowment in the greater Philly area. Over $300M in savings, over $900M in securities, $2.3B worth of assets without any donor restrictions.

When we all start to recognize that THEY are the problem, the shootings will stop.

Oh…. You didn’t know this?! You didn’t understand that in the middle of poverty was billions of dollars where, literally a few hundred thousand could fix the problem?! Higher education is marvelous in this regard. Places where their students are taught dialectical materialism but they cannot apply it their own existence.

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Allemaengel t1_jcubelc wrote

I'm thinking your second choice. Idk that the city or state are capable of or willing to undertake that heavy lift.

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Probability-Bot t1_jcvrcbq wrote

These Hookah lounges most of them are iffy. There is one not far from me and at least twice a year there is a shooting there.

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rollingstoner215 t1_jctwrve wrote

Just got the all-clear text from TU police; the notice about the shooting came in at 2:59 AM, and the all-clear came in at 11:12.

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aenteus t1_jcu8f1x wrote

Jesus- I knew it was bad when I woke up without a follow up “all clear”; clicked on this article figuring this was it. :-(

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H00die5zn t1_jctpeo8 wrote

Community is just trying to kill itself off at this point. This and a 15 y/o earlier in the night 🤷🏽‍♂️

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Lunamothknits t1_jcu4fgw wrote

Literally nothing good happens after midnight. Go hooooome.

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pwopah_ t1_jcxyn87 wrote

My mom has said this to me since I was young. Being born and raised in Philly, whenever there’s a news story about violence I always check what time it is first.

Obviously I don’t like folks getting hurt regardless of the time, but most most things do seem to happen overnight.

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GreenAnder t1_jcucmck wrote

I went to Rutgers Camden and Temple is so much worse it’s not even funny

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jersey_girl660 t1_jcuhbin wrote

Rutgers Camden is incredibly safe. It’s not surprising that temples worse

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GreenAnder t1_jcyg951 wrote

Not sure about totally safe. It’s safer sure, it’s also in district 1 which was never that residential.

Rutgers also has partnerships in the city and does a better job being a good neighbor than temple does. Philly is also very different then Camden, but there are still things temple could do much better.

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nolandeluca t1_jcv06q3 wrote

That hookah longue is hood af, I'm surprised it's still open

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[deleted] t1_jctt15k wrote

Why is there a hookah lounge on campus that caters to non students open so late?

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tiswapb t1_jctv7ug wrote

Because it’s not on campus. That’s the issue that Temple struggles with as a whole. Its an open campus in the middle of North Philly. Most of the issues are just off campus or near off campus student housing a few blocks away.

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tiswapb t1_jcwd6ty wrote

I’m not trying to say that’s the solution, just commenting on how Temple is set up. Let’s be real, a murder happens right off campus, it makes headlines. A murder happens ten blocks away and it doesn’t. And we can all agree that’s a messed up reality.

It’s a complex problem in this city as a whole but also one that Temple uniquely faces that I don’t think any other school does. La Salle is pretty much gated. Penn just razed entire communities and built over it and now has Penn Alexander, a school meant for disadvantaged kids instead full of privileged kids and ensuring that the surrounding neighborhood property values shoot up. And Drexel pretty much has ridden on the coattails of Penn.

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[deleted] t1_jctwcsm wrote

I am intimately familiar with every nook and cranny of Philadelphia. Whether it’s on campus or just next to it, it is my opinion that this type of business should not be there.

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cerialthriller t1_jctyz1a wrote

Wait they opened this place without your approval? What the fuck how can the city let this happen

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[deleted] t1_jcu1jdr wrote

Oh that is totally my point spot on. You’re so wise and smart.

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the_hoagie t1_jctxurl wrote

Your issue is with the hookah lounge?

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[deleted] t1_jcty6m6 wrote

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the_hoagie t1_jctzdru wrote

seems misguided to target the establishment as opposed to the people committing the crime. they have a right to be open and do business. hookah's popularity is wider than folks who shoot each other.

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[deleted] t1_jcu04r5 wrote

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the_hoagie t1_jcu07sd wrote

Why? Private clubs are open later than 2am all the time in this city. This place doesn't even serve alcohol.

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thereisnodevil666 t1_jctzlqd wrote

Shootings can occur anywhere people have guns. This includes any business at any time of day.

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RufusLaButte t1_jcu0fwb wrote

Or even places where businesses aren't open, dare I say

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thereisnodevil666 t1_jcu1mo9 wrote

But that kind of shooting doesn't count according to this gentleman. Clearly it is the opportunity to pay for goods and services after 2 am that creates these shootings according to him.

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tiswapb t1_jcu48qd wrote

Unfortunately, I can’t find a provision in the zoning code that says businesses can only operate where SpauldingSmails18 allows it. Can you show me where that is? I’ll pass it along to the property owner and we’ll get this all sorted right away.

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jpbrown971 t1_jctv28p wrote

It’s not on campus

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[deleted] t1_jctvpym wrote

The article states “a few feet” from. The city shouldn’t have permitted this business here.

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H00die5zn t1_jctware wrote

There’s no valid reason to not permit it tho

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TunaHands t1_jctxx2n wrote

To be fair, it’s in the first floor of a privately owned student housing apartment complex. I lived there in 2012. Not just some random hole in the wall on a corner.

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[deleted] t1_jctyg7o wrote

Are you saying private business can’t be regulated?

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TunaHands t1_jcu1l8j wrote

What? How on earth did you get that from a simple statement that it’s in the same building as student housing.

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[deleted] t1_jctx2gp wrote

I’d argue shootings at 3am are a valid reason to pull a permit.

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rollingstoner215 t1_jctw7r3 wrote

What’s wrong with a hookah lounge?

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[deleted] t1_jctx7xy wrote

A business that attracts assholes that shoot people at 3am is what is wrong

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rollingstoner215 t1_jcu0p6w wrote

What neighborhood should that business be put in?

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[deleted] t1_jcu13mz wrote

None if it is to be open until at least 3am. Put it in Society Hill.

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thereisnodevil666 t1_jcu2yz7 wrote

Why not just set a 2 am curfew then if this is the weird fucking hill you're on? Anyone out at 3 am is up to no good, right?

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rossdowdell t1_jctwv4g wrote

Armed robberies and violent crime are becoming frequent near and in these establishments.

The belief that weed is entirely harmless and makes users docile is an embellishment.

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sttme t1_jctx2ve wrote

Hookah is tobacco…

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rossdowdell t1_jctzumy wrote

I just figured out something.

You typed, "Hookah is tobacco."

"A" hookah is a container that you heat up to smoke the contents.

You commented on this while completely ignorant of the subject.

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rossdowdell t1_jctxeaw wrote

You never smoked weed or other drugs out of a hookah? I have.

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uptown_gargoyle t1_jcu1rgd wrote

How many people got shot afterwards though

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rossdowdell t1_jcu2hk2 wrote

Vague question. I'm not sure what you're asking.

For all I know, this particular incident was just a random shooting that has nothing to do with the business. Hopefully more details are forthcoming.

But I'd probably avoid being near a hookah lounge at 3 AM in North Philly, if only because I value my life.

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Ragoz t1_jcu518r wrote

Oh god that was perfect for a laugh. Thanks.

>claims to smoked other drugs out of a hookah

>gets asked how many people were shot in relation to that specific event

>That's a vague question!

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SnapCrackleMom t1_jctwrru wrote

I think it's more campus-adjacent than actually on campus.

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[deleted] t1_jctwvzx wrote

Semantics. It shouldn’t be there.

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SnapCrackleMom t1_jctykqc wrote

Where should it be?

One thing that I think gets lost in the discussion of Temple safety is that everyone who lives in North Philly is just as deserving of a safe environment as a Temple student.

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[deleted] t1_jctz2vl wrote

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thereisnodevil666 t1_jcu1dd6 wrote

There are 74,000 people total in Cherry Hill, most of whom can't physically get out of their neighborhood without a car. By comparison, there are about 40,000 students at Temple.

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SnapCrackleMom t1_jcu1pj9 wrote

Oh, I think I was misunderstanding what you were saying. You're saying hookah lounges either shouldn't exist or shouldn't be allowed to stay open that late?

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thereisnodevil666 t1_jctx5tb wrote

Why not?

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[deleted] t1_jctxdih wrote

Because people shoot people there

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thereisnodevil666 t1_jctyezz wrote

People don't get shot driving? At house parties? At bars? Or are you one of those everyone should be home by 10 and things won't happen types? Death to third places will prevent shootings, right?

No one should ever be able to leave their house to chill after 9 pm, that'll limit shootings!

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[deleted] t1_jctyras wrote

Please explain to me the societal benefit of a hookah lounge being open at 3am next to an important institution

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nolandeluca t1_jcv0oiz wrote

Lmao it's just a clickbait title, Temples campus is quite small compared to the area off campus housing is trying to gentrify

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vmtyler t1_jcvapeu wrote

We probably just need more guns in the state, right? Armed society is polite society amirite?

/s

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emlynhughes t1_jcy1z6n wrote

There was a post here a week or two ago where liberals were arguing more guns :(

We are doomed.

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LowPermission9 t1_jcwf1wt wrote

Downvotes from people who would use your statements as legitimate talking points but who don’t like real world examples that call into question the validity of those statements.

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MedicCrow t1_jcu9md2 wrote

Just last year I used to live right on Susquehanna near the other end of the field. This is incredibly heartbreaking. I hope my former neighbors are physically alright.

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Edison_Ruggles t1_jcuvldc wrote

Principal tragedy here is the wasted EMT resources and the fear this puts into ordinary people. I'm numb to the rest of it at this point.

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NotJoeyWheeler t1_jcvlqg3 wrote

I think the principle tragedy here is probably 4 people getting shot, but shoutout to your numbness for sure

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Darius_Banner t1_jcw2vtt wrote

It’s hard to have sympathy for these kids anymore.

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nalgene_wilder t1_jcwhg1e wrote

It's hard for you to find sympathy for three innocent shooting victims? Uh ok...

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madcatzplayer3 t1_jcwzyzq wrote

I lived a block away from there in 2014, crazy. I would pass by that football field everyday.

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Farleymcg t1_jcu0xcc wrote

They should have made main campus at Ambler.

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rollingstoner215 t1_jcu6i42 wrote

R.I.P. Ambler campus

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ChuckFromPhilly t1_jcwmtma wrote

Something happening to the ambler campus?

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