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Fattom23 t1_iy66sen wrote

Please stop doing this, people. Leaving your child in a running car is incredibly dangerous. I really hope they find that kid safe.

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--jawnday-- t1_iy6lkdu wrote

I saw someone do this outside a dispensary before. Two kids left in a running car while mom runs in to buy weed.

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K3R3G3 t1_iy76qtj wrote

"Stay put, honey-childs. Mama needs her sticky-icky."

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Darius_Banner t1_iy7td77 wrote

Leaving your car running, period, is stupid as hell, nevermind the crime it’s just lazy

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Sage2050 t1_iy8gx15 wrote

I'm going to keep doing it til it's not cold outside

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napsdufroid t1_iy8hf36 wrote

Then don't cry here if your car gets stolen

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Sage2050 t1_iy8hxv0 wrote

I won't. Why would I do that? What gave you the impression that I would? When has anyone done that? You know this is a news article, right?

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napsdufroid t1_iy8k9aq wrote

OK. As long as you acknowledge it's a stupid thing to do, but you plan to keep doing it. That does kinda indicate you don't care if your car gets lifted.

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Phooey-Kablooey t1_iy68nwp wrote

Parents who do this need to be charged with child endangerment.

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Fattom23 t1_iy69b1a wrote

I don't think I believe that (it feels like piling on someone who's going through a lot), but I sure wish they wouldn't do it. Or maybe that people would stop trying to steal each other's cars. Either one would mean no more stories like this.

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dc122186 t1_iy69qxu wrote

It's completely self inflicted thought, that "going through a lot".

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Stewartsw1 t1_iy6spb1 wrote

I don’t understand why you are being downvoted. Here’s my measly upvote. I assume the downvotes are from those who are not parents or at least not good parents. Cue my downvotes ;)

Edit: typo

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Phooey-Kablooey t1_iy8t0cc wrote

Appreciate it, but don't really care about the downvotes. I made a similar comment on the same topic last year or so and got upvoted. Go figure.

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Stewartsw1 t1_iybs7lb wrote

Yeah, hard to believe folks are justifying leaving a 4yo in the car

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fahkoffkunt t1_iy6dzdg wrote

β€œThe child was later found injured and reunited with his parents.”

These fuckers need better editors.

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dc122186 t1_iy67jz1 wrote

People need to really fucking stop leaving their kids in running cars. God damn. Straight up negligence.

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K3R3G3 t1_iy778zt wrote

Don't even leave a running car. Adding the child really ups the ante.

Bonus on this one, he also had two guns in the center console. Article said he had a carry license, too -- really disappointing behavior from a license holder. Hopefully, the console was at least locked. Have one on your person, not in a vehicle with a child.

Don't leave your car running

Don't leave your kid in the running car

Don't leave your guns...with your kid...in the car...that ate the cat that shat in the hat that was thrown at the house that love built. (Sorry, I forget the words to it)

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SauconySundaes t1_iy7dcmq wrote

β€œreally disappointing behavior from a license holder.”

Not trying to start a gun debate here, but among the stories of bad things happening with legally purchased firearms this year, this one is pretty low on the list.

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lizacovey t1_iy7zab0 wrote

I would say it's actually hugely important and should be called out. Accidental deaths by firearms, especially of children, is a big deal. 22 million children live in a household with guns, many unsecured and loaded, and at least 1,300 children die annually when they get their hands on them. 36x more children die this way than in school shootings, it absolutely deserves our attention.

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SauconySundaes t1_iy8by3s wrote

Of course, but to me that's part of a larger philosophical question as to whether or not human beings are sufficiently advanced to responsibly wield firearms, which in my opinion is a big no.

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K3R3G3 t1_iy7dxw0 wrote

I don't want to gun debate either. The vast, vast majority of license holders are highly law-abiding. "Legally purchased" is also separate from legally carrying. This isn't your typical news story. The guns I brought up (which oddly it seems no one in the comments knew about) weren't used in a crime, as they are in most stories. So, it's very "low" on the "news stories involving guns" list, in general. But I'll still call out what he did because it wasn't safe and the CCW community checks each other quite strictly. Not really setting out to establish a ranking.

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Purrogi t1_iy6dmbt wrote

Parents should be charged with child endangerment. Why would any reasonably intelligent leave your kid in running car? It’s an avoidable situation. I needed to vent. Thanks for listening.

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Fattom23 t1_iy7yueu wrote

Man already got punished by having his car stolen and his child kidnapped. Criminal charges seem to be just piling on at that point.

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justanawkwardguy t1_iy7uhni wrote

Did you read the article? Dad was only supposed to be in the store like 30 seconds and the kid was asleep. If you have kids, would you wake them up for something that only takes 30 seconds?

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napsdufroid t1_iy8iqlh wrote

Since it obviously takes less than 30 to steal a running car, the question is what would you do? This isn't groceries or a laptop; it's your fucking child.

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JWHISKY707 t1_iy86uzy wrote

Lot of victim blaming.

Nobody wants to confront the idea or people who actually commit the crimes in the city.

Idk if its a ideology thing or what.

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Edison_Ruggles t1_iy8b8vz wrote

No one is blaming the victim, we're just pointing out that leaving your car running while you go off and do something is idiotic, regardless of crime.

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genuinegrill t1_iybe18w wrote

Is getting blackout drunk idiotic? People generally frown upon saying that it is in the context of someone doing so and subsequently becoming a victim of certain crimes.

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Ragoz t1_iy8e5gc wrote

It's ok to call criminal negligence for the endangerment of a child what it is.

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Sage2050 t1_iy8hfsu wrote

Leaving a child in a running car for a minute isn't criminal negligence or child endangerment no matter how much you seemingly want it to be.

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napsdufroid t1_iy8jpij wrote

It's actually illegal in PA, much as you seemingly don't want it to be

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Sage2050 t1_iy8k7et wrote

>isn't criminal negligence or child endangerment

Edit the full statute:

>Β§ 3701.1. Leaving an unattended child in a motor vehicle.

>(a) General rule.--A person driving or in charge of a motor vehicle may not permit a child under six years of age to remain unattended in the vehicle when the motor vehicle is out of the person's sight and under circumstances which endanger the health, safety or welfare of the child.

>(a.1) Applicability.--This section shall apply to the highways and trafficways of this Commonwealth and, for the purposes of this section only, the term "trafficways" shall include, but not be limited to, parking lots.

>(b) Penalty.--A person who violates this section commits a summary offense. It is a separate offense for each child left unattended.

So if you can see the car from inside the store it's not even illegal.

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napsdufroid t1_iy8kr6g wrote

OK. You keep believing it's not illegal because it endangers the child. So in your mind, any parent who does this is absolutely 100% blameless should something happen...as long as they can see the car, that is. And in this particular case, how do we know dad could see it?

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Sage2050 t1_iy8l1o8 wrote

This is like me saying "shoplifting isn't armed robbery" and you're going "acshually shoplifting is illegal"

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napsdufroid t1_iy8l9df wrote

Then why else would it be illegal? Riddle me that, Batman. You have an interesting sense of logic.

Edit: Try answering instead of downvoting.

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Sage2050 t1_iy8lv0m wrote

You realize criminal negligence and child endangerment are specific crimes right? They have definitions. Leaving a child in a car is a summary offense. So is jay walking and littering.

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napsdufroid t1_iy8m8wo wrote

"Pennsylvania law makes it illegal for a person to leave a child under the age of six unattended in a motor vehicle that is out of that person's sight and endangers the health, safety, or welfare of a child."

Again, WHY is it illegal in the first place? You keep avoiding that question.

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Sage2050 t1_iy8mm5h wrote

This is the post I was responding to >It's ok to call criminal negligence for the endangerment of a child what it is.

Leaving a child in a car doesn't get you charged with criminal negligence. You're just reeing about semantics because you want to win an internet fight.

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Ragoz t1_iy8nxy9 wrote

> Leaving a child in a car doesn't get you charged with criminal negligence.

It certainly can if the child wasn't brought back safely. It's based on the outcome of your reckless or negligent action.

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Sage2050 t1_iy8ocpa wrote

Yeah and speeding is a summary offense that can result in manslaughter if you cause a fatal accident.

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Ragoz t1_iy8qp2a wrote

There is nothing they can do anymore once they fucked up this badly. They aren't in control of the situation once they left their child behind. You can choose to stop speeding at any time up until you crash.

They aren't the same at all.

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napsdufroid t1_iy8rldi wrote

Don't bother, dude. He just downvotes you and comes up with another totally inappropriate "analogy"

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napsdufroid t1_iy8oe8x wrote

Uh...if doing so puts the kid in danger, there's a good chance you;re gonna get charged with negligence or endangerment if it's reported. Seems like you're the one who really wants to "win" here for whatever reason. But hey; stay in your bubble. It apparently makes you happy.

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AlVic40117560_ t1_iy6ok3j wrote

That would really suck if you stole a car and then looked in the backseat to see you accidentally abducted a child too.

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SomePaddy t1_iy78jo2 wrote

Aww, man - I was only trying to do ONE felony, not two!

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james_2022 t1_iy6wqmm wrote

Shitadelphia, Jackadelphia

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