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b0b0tempo t1_j5jmj5i wrote

I can't tell you how many times I've been almost run down by cars speeding through lights on Oregon Avenue.

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aintjoan t1_j5jpy80 wrote

Same, but replace Oregon Ave with pretty much any street in the city

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mortgagepants t1_j5jv1ul wrote

people fucking beep. it blows my mind. like "i know its red, and i know its your turn to go, but fuck you i'm going and if you get hit it is your fault".

one of the worst encounters i've had is someone running a stop sign who rolled down the window who yelled, "you saw my on my phone you should have stopped!"

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the_hoagie t1_j5kpqqg wrote

just a couple weeks ago i was halfway across the street at a two way stop and looked to my left, saw the approaching car's interior light on and the driver looking down at his phone, speeding towards the stop sign. i hustled to the other side of the intersection just as he looked up and slammed on his breaks in the middle of the crosswalk. my wife was on the other side of the street kind of cautiously looking at him to see if he saw her.

he waved at her and started cursing saying, "i'm not gonna fuckin run you over!" and started cursing us out for... walking? i yelled some choice words at him back, he asked me if i was a tough guy, and then he sped off.

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mortgagepants t1_j5kt09l wrote

yeah there are no consequences for driving like a murderer in philly. so they just murder on.

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jedilips t1_j5ldvtc wrote

> he waved at her and started cursing saying, "i'm not gonna fuckin run you over!" and started cursing us out for... walking? i yelled some choice words at him back, he asked me if i was a tough guy, and then he sped off.

Interactions like this were pretty much a part of my daily life in South Philly. It really wore me down after a while and it's partly why we're in Glenside now. The traffic is not as bad out here as in other nearby burbs, but people still drive like they've lost their minds.

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abigdumbrocket t1_j5oodzx wrote

Hi future neighbor. Reason number one we're vacating the city this March.

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tough_ledi t1_j5jqxce wrote

Seriously. I see cops sitting around on their asses in their cars in South Philly low-income housing all the damn time, even when nothing is happening at all. They should be out on Oregon avenue instead, checking for people running through red lights and pulling illegal turns.

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SaltPepperKetchup215 t1_j5k0k1s wrote

The mayor and his puppet police commissioner do not want cops making traffic stops.

I’m not quite sure how this isn’t abundantly obvious to everyone with half a brain

Police stops=police interactions=chance something bad could go wrong. In the guise of equity the city leadership wants cops engaging with the public as very little as possible

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ReturnedFromExile t1_j5k30wk wrote

Bullshit. Moving violations very much still supposed to be enforced. The police just decided not to do it because they’re not allowed to pull people over for busted tail lights.

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Indiana_Jawns t1_j5kjbw9 wrote

The cops weren't pulling people over for moving violations before the city had to pass a law banning them from using air fresheners as an excuse to harass minorities.

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TheBSQ t1_j5lv47q wrote

One side doesn’t want anything enforced that might result in disproportionate and inequitable results, the other side doesn’t want to enforce anything under the the idea that the worse things get, the more the public will turn to “law and order” (aka, more funding for them).

Both can be true at the same time.

And both err towards non-enforcement.

And that non-enforcement works to the advantage of both.

Whether it’s “look at all the harm” or “look at all the harm that disproportionally falls on low-income/BIPOC” doesn’t really matter.

The more negative affects there are, the more there is for each side to blame on the other.

You can’t argue about how bad things are, who it disproportionately affects, whose fault it is, and all that, unless there’s bad stuff.

And, of course, “bad stuff” means someone needs to fund more of something.

As long as we all agree something is bad and something needs more funding, then all the major players are happy.

From there we can argue who is at fault, who has the solution, and who should get more money.

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SaltPepperKetchup215 t1_j5k4g6b wrote

Think about your own statement. Use a bit of common sense. If they’re brazen enough to come out and officially change 10-12 laws to not be allowed to pull over.

Imagine how much worse behind the scenes are. Also, let’s say you’re a cop. (I know you could never bc Acab and all that good stuff), but let’s play pretend. You pull someone over. They have an illegal gun. You risk your life to retrieve that gun whether it was brandished or not. The Ada or judge throws away the gun charge bc they believe the suspect was pulled over for a wrong reason. That happens 1x to a cop I guarantee they’re hesitant to bother again. Multiply they by thousands of cops with numerous instances of this happening and you get the police force that exists today.

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ReturnedFromExile t1_j5k5dcv wrote

so they are allowed to and supposed to pull people over for moving violation and because of reasons they choose not to. Correct?

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AKraiderfan t1_j5kbrx0 wrote

So you're saying the police aren't doing the job that they knowingly signed up for, with all the risk that they knew before hand, and we should empathize with that and be okay with it?

Okay buddy.

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DonQOnIce t1_j5kcjzp wrote

Man, I wish I could just stop doing my job because I don’t like how another department follows up on the job I do.

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AKraiderfan t1_j5kczkt wrote

yeah, imagine if the recycling pickup have the same attitude when they discover much of their pickup does not result in recycling. We should totally empathize and accept their decision not to do their jobs because feels!

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SaltPepperKetchup215 t1_j5kdvra wrote

They literally throw it all in one truck more often than they separate it…edgy analogy fail On this one

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Aromat_Junkie t1_j5k4frw wrote

Well sure, that's why police stops for traffic are retarded and our structure around it sucks.

It's just a phishing exercise draped around safety. I am for safety, not for phishing.

It's a huge dragnet

It causes escalations because, the police can arrest you for basically any pull over infraction, if they like.

The solution is to fix the systemic problem - that 99% of police interactions are from traffic stops, and that it really shouldn't be the case.

Ideas to fix it? Not sure

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Scumandvillany t1_j5ko9xh wrote

MANDATORY 4K

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Aromat_Junkie t1_j5kosc7 wrote

mandatory 4,000 hour training for officers?

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Scumandvillany t1_j5kpn02 wrote

That too, but you know

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Aromat_Junkie t1_j5kr3ym wrote

no I don't know.

Mandatory 4000 glasses of white wine?

Mandatory 4000 useless pricks in patronage jobs?

Mandatory $4000 in yearly wage tax to pay for said pricks?

Mandatory 4000 miles of road unrepaired?

Mandatory 4000 lines of gas pipe ready to explode?

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rossdowdell t1_j5jtoxz wrote

Thread title: _______ is _________ in ___________.

Philly reddit: The cops suck!

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NonIdentifiableUser t1_j5juszd wrote

Have to imagine that all of the illegally parked vehicles on Oregon Avenue is a contributing factor to this.

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getnakedivegotaplan t1_j5octrf wrote

Definitely a combo of people parking like assholes and other people driving like assholes

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voidofcourth t1_j5n0vz2 wrote

I can't tell you how my cyclists I've almost hit and killed with my car when they don't follow any rules of the road. Do they not know they have to obey the same traffic signs and rules as cars when they are on public streets?

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b0b0tempo t1_j5odhhx wrote

I'm not a cyclist, you fucking sociopath, and neither was the woman run down on Oregon avenue.

Why don't you go drive off a fucking cliff?

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voidofcourth t1_j5oy1i9 wrote

Woah. Sociopath? It's not like I'm trying to hit anyone. I'm a very safe driver. I was saying the cyclists are being reckless. Mainly the electric bike delivery folks. Calm down Susan.

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mountjo t1_j5pcnlq wrote

And I almost get doored/nailed on my bike daily while following traffic laws. What's your point here? Cyclist bring it on themselves? Some don't follow traffic laws?

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voidofcourth t1_j5vgp3u wrote

The ones who run stop signs and lights and get hit I do not feel a bit of sympathy over.

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mountjo t1_j5vik3s wrote

Well, thanks for sharing I guess. Very valuable contribution to the conversation.

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