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Aggravating_Foot_528 t1_jdij9ba wrote

>Zappala said the iconic West Mifflin amusement park is unsafe and has been uncooperative with his office since a Sept. 24 shooting at the park left three people wounded. No one is charged in connection with the shooting.

so.... uncooperative since Sep 24th but waits until 2 months before the election to call a news conference about it.

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AntiStatistYouth t1_jdikhc7 wrote

>No one is charged in connection with the shooting.

He should probably be working on those charges rather than complaining about Kennywood's security measures.

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anonymouspoliticker t1_jdja0zs wrote

Just based on the article, it took two months to launch a criminal investigation, conclude a security review, and draw up security recommendations (as the park is actively being used!), then three months for Kennywood to review and implement them in the off-season. Finally, a week to review Kennywood's changes and conclude they are insufficient. What do you think is a reasonable timeline for everything to happen?

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omgwouldyou t1_jdl3g55 wrote

You seriously don't find it a weeee bit coincidental that this timeline just so happened to lead to the big news grabbing headline of a press conference like 48 hours after his office was busted for playing political games with prosecution decisions?

I mean. Let's flip this around. Is there any particular reason this press conference couldn't have happened next week either?

And finally. He makes official decisions based off politics so god damn regularly that his staff felt comfortable telling a Jude that is what they are doing in some casual side comments. Why should we not assume that this is a political decision as well?

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anonymouspoliticker t1_jdlhvlb wrote

I don't think you can conclude anything connecting the press conference to events from the last 48 hours without knowing when the press conference was scheduled. Even if you had that info, just knowing that last Saturday was when the County went to the park to review everything really takes the wind out of the sails of any conspiracy...

Why this week instead of next? Kennywood now has 4 weeks to address the remaining concerns instead of 3. And look at the top-level comment, they rouse suspicion for having the conference 2 months before the election- pushing it back a week lends more credence to them!

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omgwouldyou t1_jdmg50o wrote

Alright. So the guy who regularly and routinely orders his staff to make prosecution decisions based around what he thinks will help him politically totally by coincidence happened to have a big news story he thinks will help him politically within 24 hours of being caught up in a major ethics scandal.

And you are sticking to that story.

Alright then. Oh hey. As a side note. I have a great investment opportunity for you. It's this bridge in Brooklyn. Send me a private message and I'll get you a quote. My price is extremely fair for such a great bridge.

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StarWars_and_SNL t1_jdixdii wrote

It also happens to be two months before the park is scheduled to open.

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JustHereForTheSaul t1_jdjgb3s wrote

The timing is super suspicious, but is closing Kennywood really gonna win him votes?

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gldmj5 t1_jdk2r5y wrote

Someone once told him "Kennywood's open" and he's still not over it.

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mistergrime t1_jdima3d wrote

You can always tell it’s an election year when you’re hearing from Steve Zappala.

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cooldude_4000 OP t1_jdid4d6 wrote

Hard to tell if this is a reasonable ask or not. I'd like to know what "security measures" he's demanding, but it sounds like he just wants to come off like a tough guy.

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Vesty t1_jdier2r wrote

Yeah I can’t really think of any significant security differences between what the park does and say the stadiums. If they’ve taken steps to address the fence line I don’t know what else he could be asking for. I can’t help but think this is re-election “tough on crime” grandstanding.

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Ready_Panda t1_jdiqxc8 wrote

He wants the entire park covered by a net to stop drones

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the1999person t1_jdix2mb wrote

Actually a dome would be better. Something that blocks out the UV rays so you don't have to worry about being sunburned for being at the park all day.

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Clerk18 t1_jdjneps wrote

It would smell so bad!

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the1999person t1_jdjofjx wrote

It already smells bad, people sweating in the heat. Pissing or shitting themselves in line for the Raging Rapids.

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anonymouspoliticker t1_jdj85xd wrote

I think there's one really obvious significant security difference between the stadiums and the park: the park had a shooting inside it a few months ago.

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StarWars_and_SNL t1_jdixnx4 wrote

The park security has definitely decreased in the last few years.

It used to be that all bags had to be checked, etc. The process to get through the gate is a breeze now.

Not that gate security would have done much to prevent last year’s violence.

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Vesty t1_jdj1uqn wrote

Because they started using the new style detectors that don’t require bag checks. Disney and other parks also use them these days. Even the Pirates just announced they’re switching to them and don’t require bag checks anymore. Don’t see the DA threatening to shut down the Pirates opener.

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LockelyFox t1_jdjgnmp wrote

I recall from when the shooting happened, a bunch of people who worked there said those detectors either didn't work properly or the employees aren't trained to use them.

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milkmanrichie t1_jdizezp wrote

They did upgrade the metal detector, which was supposed to stream line the process and be safer. I can not confirm if it is in fact safer.

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HomicidalHushPuppy t1_jdig2nz wrote

I think the bigger issue is he's not law enforcement nor is he a legislator, thus he has no authority to make demands. It's one thing if they treated this like a nuisance bar, which we have laws to deal with. But he's looking to sue them for not bending to his will, which is overreaching.

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Excelius t1_jdj7b99 wrote

Zappala has managed to accumulate a seemingly unusual amount of power for a District Attorney.

The DAs office has been funding security cameras all around the county for years. I don't even understand how that is even a thing that a DA has a budget for.

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HomicidalHushPuppy t1_jdj9a30 wrote

Well when they're negotiating plea deals left and right, and/or just cutting people loose, I guess they're saving costs on time that would've been spent in court. Then, you have to spend the money or have your budget cut next year.

Only random speculation, and slightly sarcastic

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RedModsSuck t1_jdkw9ht wrote

> I think the bigger issue is he's not law enforcement

You have a serious misunderstanding of law enforcement in the state. He is the chief law enforcement officer in the county.

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the_real_xuth t1_jdl1kkp wrote

This is a really twisted and non-standard usage of "law enforcement". His purpose is to prosecute crimes. No police officer is supposed to answer to him professionally. Quite the contrary, the police are supposed to be independent of the prosecutors and investigate suspected criminal cases without bias while the prosecutor is by definition in an adversarial role. The shitty thing is when police and the DA's office see themselves as partners which is where all kinds of problems crop up.

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RedModsSuck t1_jdmz0lk wrote

Apparently the state and just about every DA disagrees with you. This same statement appears on the website of dozens of DAs in PA:

"The District Attorney, as the chief law enforcement officer of the county, is mandated by law to sign all bills of indictment and conduct in court all criminal and other prosecutions in the name of the Commonwealth."

The only one twisting things is you.

https://yorkda.com

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the_real_xuth t1_jdnklqc wrote

Yes, this is their method of PR.

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RedModsSuck t1_jdsqpuz wrote

You do know that DA offices often have their own officers, right? That redneck that shot the jogger in Georgia had been one. That is why the DA tried to cover up the case.

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the_real_xuth t1_jdua0rp wrote

I don't know about Georgia, but certainly not in Pennsylvania (nor Allegheny county).

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omgwouldyou t1_jdl4tw5 wrote

Could you cite the law being violated when a private business doesn't implement a policy change the DA of a county recommended to them?

Do you also think that Zappalla could shutdown his local Giant Eagle because they refused to carry his favorite brand of chips after he requested they do so?

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RedModsSuck t1_jdmybum wrote

I did not say that he is has the authority to make Kennywood do anything, I was just correcting the statement made by the poster.

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ballsonthewall t1_jdiraig wrote

let me know when they actually do something to a nuisance bar lmfao

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HomicidalHushPuppy t1_jdityn0 wrote

A North Side nuisance bar was shut down early last year, a South Side one closed late last year when their liquor license got revoked, and there's one in Westmoreland (iirc) that's just been closed down temporarily. Don't mess around with the PLCB/PSP's BLCE.

Regardless of action/inaction, my point was there are laws in place to deal with problematic places, whereas the Kennywood issue appears to be Zappala just having a tantrum because someone didn't do what he wanted. He has no legal authority to just order people around.

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TheSpeedyBee t1_jdiji5m wrote

Not really the DAs place to make such demands, reasonable or not.

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DaRiddler70 t1_jdiio9x wrote

He's asking parents not to dump their shitty kids at the park to cause trouble, but he's doing it by making Kennywood deal with the problem.

It's called trying to solve a problem by the symptoms.

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PersonalAd2039 t1_jdix2ol wrote

Other parks have dealt with this by limiting and significantly increasing prices of season passes. removing local discount tickets(school tickets, Shop n save etc.) and removing food packages.

One of the parks stated they had to increase prices above local day care costs.

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jafomofo t1_jdkrmuv wrote

no, kennywood started this mess by doing those season passes so now the park is filled with unsupervised teenagers and its not a place you would actually want to go unless you are a teenager.

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Aggravating_Foot_528 t1_jdiiuca wrote

this is his M.O. Make all sorts of demands, forces companies into making changes, and then takes the credit.

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ScratchMoore t1_jdie8vh wrote

True. That’s like the most important part of this entire issue, and they don’t report it.

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Ryan1006 t1_jdikhl7 wrote

Going up against Kennywood isn’t going to win him any votes.

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DaKaSigma t1_jdim18z wrote

He’s courting suburban Democrats who think Kennywood is unsafe regardless of security. He’s taking his page from the GOP: scare people about crime to vote for you, bust don’t actually do anything about it.

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HomicidalHushPuppy t1_jdiq1to wrote

>He’s taking his page from the GOP: scare people about crime to vote for you, bust don’t actually do anything about it.

Both sides of the aisle are guilty of doing this

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Current-Pianist1991 t1_jdjfc1i wrote

Going "but but but muh both sides" doesn't make it any better.

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HomicidalHushPuppy t1_jdjhrg6 wrote

That would be true if I was trying to say something was acceptable, which I'm not. Merely pointing out that the "page from the GOP" comment was unnecessarily biased in this instance (and generally unnecessary in the conversation).

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Current-Pianist1991 t1_jdjiop4 wrote

I mean, both parts are unnecessary for the larger conversation. Going "haha he's copying the GOP" doesn't accomplish or contribute much (and trust me, I can't stand the GOP either). So is the "both sides" argument, and its inherently dismissive, by going "yeah but both sides do it!" Implies that if the original person WAS making a factual statement about the "GOP playbook", that it would be completely acceptable because "hey the other side is doing it too!". Overall very unproductive conversation for everyone involved and poor word choices

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throwaway01002030405 t1_jdiv0bh wrote

There are differences in scale and implications, and just saying everyone does it is unhelpful

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HomicidalHushPuppy t1_jdiv7s4 wrote

Not excusing it. Just point out the bias.

Edit: there's the typical r/pittsburgh - called out bias that happened to be left-leaning and got downvoted.

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LostEnroute t1_jdj5lst wrote

Downvoted for not adding anything to the conversation, probably.

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omgwouldyou t1_jdl3on1 wrote

He might think he's doing that, admittedly. But over in the reality the "fuck Kennywood" vote block in the county is really small.

There is no constituency of any size looking for local politicians to shut down Kennywood. Meanwhile, the constituency of people who'd get pissed off is quite real.

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DaKaSigma t1_jdm791t wrote

Absolutely. He also (successfully) pushed the negative story about him from the front page. I doubt anything will come of it. He’d have to prove that Kennywood is a “nuisance,” which would be a heavy lift. But the negatives from them not opening, both for their private owners and the region as a whole (wages, taxes) would be compelling.

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JustHereForTheSaul t1_jdjgl0j wrote

>suburban Democrats who think Kennywood is unsafe regardless of security

Is this a real and substantial demographic? It's honestly the first time it's ever occurred to me to think of that as an identifiable group.

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VidGamrJ t1_jdk6svb wrote

What kind of world do you live in where everyone has to fit neatly into some little box society has made for them? Is it really so hard to believe that suburban people who vote Democrat are worried about the periodic violence at Kennywood?

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JustHereForTheSaul t1_jdkoy4k wrote

Not at all; it just hit me weird that he was naming this demographic in the same way a pollster might name "professional women over age 35". I just thought it was an unusual combination of traits to identify a group with. I dunno, looking at it again, maybe it wasn't him, maybe it was me.

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Lil_Phantoms_Lawyer t1_jdknif4 wrote

Idk but the poll in the article says 52% feel unsafe at Kennywood which is nuts to me. But that's the same demographic reading the trib I guess.

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feed_the_bumble t1_jdjs9lk wrote

Suburbanites are the only demographic that still like him. In the last election, he got walloped in the city, by an independent to boot

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throwaway01002030405 t1_jdigu6b wrote

“This is non-negotiable”

As I say in all comments about zappala: Fuck you, Steve.

Safety is important; Kennywood has enacted new safety standards. This is just Steve being a douche.

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WestEndFlasher t1_jdiwbzf wrote

i'll vote for the DA that makes them re-open the logjammer and the old mill.

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Distinct_Username t1_jdigmo9 wrote

Between this and the other thing, he’s not having a great news day.

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bobkmertz t1_jdim964 wrote

I happen to think maybe attacking Kennywood is a smokescreen to keep people from finding out about the other thing.

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shawnwingsit t1_jdilrx7 wrote

What other thing?

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matt5001 t1_jdjezlv wrote

The other thing is why he announced this today.

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js_kwfb t1_jdixd7x wrote

100% a political stunt he's using to make himself try and look good. If he actually cared about safety he would have went to the part five months ago and spent the off season giving reccomendations, not a month before opening. Kennywood already did their part to improve security, why not worry about the SOURCE of the problem, which is all the gangs and hoods in Homestead and West Mifflin? All this is going to do is potentially screw employees like myself out of their paycheck if this goes through. I have coworkers and friends who are saying that if this goes through they're going to have to cancel plans because they won't have the money for it.

Open my park.

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DIY_Creative t1_jdim1fh wrote

Almost as if an important primary is coming up...hmmmm...

This is overreaching imo. And his delivery and tone is so douchey.

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poodog13 t1_jditu2e wrote

Unless they are breaking an actual law, why would he have the authority to prevent them from opening?

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HerpDerpinAtWork t1_jdiwytr wrote

He doesn't. This is less than a nothing burger from a shitbag who likes it when his name is in the news. Well, except for when it's in the news like this.

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nsairwinpa t1_jdiwds5 wrote

Yes, let’s target one of the biggest youth employers in the region because some bad youth did something bad. If only there was a way to improve their communities, education and job opportunities that would somehow encourage good behavior.

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Ceramicrabbit t1_jdiqcbe wrote

Why doesn't he show a similar level of concern for other shootings?

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dshd66 t1_jdiwpu7 wrote

Zappala is a cunt

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Yomama-22 t1_jdjswpl wrote

Its not the venue that’s the problem, it’s the few teenaged bastards that have to ruin it for everyone. If there was a shooting at Walmart the certainly wouldnt put up a fence and have guards and metal detectors at the door. The bigger problem in that area is the goddamn Speedway nearby. At least one accident per week. 4 car crash on Thursday. It’s a hazardous location.

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Additional_Swan_6531 t1_jdixdx1 wrote

If this is an issue now, why was kennywood still open for the remainder of phantom fright nights and holiday lights, this prick didn’t say anything then.

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AKoolPopTart t1_jdjs9sy wrote

Maybe you should start tackling the gangs and gang violence instead of bickering with an amusement park. Lawful gun owners aren't the ones walking around with illegal full auto switches (which by the way is a federal crime)

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Jump_Like_A_Willys t1_jdk7bzs wrote

>”You will do these. It’s not negotiable,” Zappala said at the news conference.

And if they don’t? He’s the DA. He has no power to compel them.

He’ll have a very difficult time making Kennywood’s security response to the shootings into a prosecutable crime.

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waitforit55 t1_jdkmqga wrote

Fuck this DA.

"Do this or else..."

They have a right to operate their business.

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h3mip3nultim4te t1_jdk1ebm wrote

This is bad enough, but he’s using it to hide the story about him directing the office not to make plea deals after he lost the endorsement and before the primary. Fuck this guy completely. Vote for Matt Dugan.

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omgwouldyou t1_jdl48k3 wrote

I'm also confused why the DAs office would have jurisdiction here.

Their job is to prosecute crime. Is not implementing whatever policy recommendations the DA has for a private business a crime now? Under what grounds is he going to get a court order for closure? The grounds that he just kinda is annoyed at them? I'm seriously at a lost what crime the park could possible be committing.

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Amaranthous t1_jdlz2np wrote

Kennywood is ratchet. I won't ever go again

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BurghPuppies t1_jdm6gur wrote

Since when does a DA get to dictate what steps a private enterprise MUST take on security? Seems to me like that’s a legislative function or code.

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Hokiecivil t1_jdl0m6s wrote

This guy is such a douchebag, please vote him out. Kennywood, for crissakes.

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BachataKnight t1_jdm44d0 wrote

I'm confused. Is Kennywood owned by a government? How does anyone believe they have the authority to prevent it from opening when they want to open.

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IClight69 t1_jdm900w wrote

Yet UPMC don’t pay no taxes…..

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Fooka03 t1_jdk5wvm wrote

Is it too late to run against him? Ffs there's so many things our da should focus on but all he cares about is his fop friends and the tough on crime facade come election year.

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Inthebeaver t1_jdkp7ne wrote

There is someone running against him.

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Fooka03 t1_jdm4p7x wrote

Yeah I know, Dugan is definitely getting my vote. Just trying to express my anger and frustration with Zappella.

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SonofLeeroy t1_jdnwbpy wrote

wait Dugan and Associates Mike Dugan? the with D-U-G-A-N gag?

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Fooka03 t1_jdnwkd4 wrote

No, Matt Dugan, the lead public defender.

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SonofLeeroy t1_jdnx142 wrote

ah thank you, i didn’t even know the public defenders name tbh

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