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andylikescandy t1_jee0qv1 wrote

Statistically intuitive: lots of first time gun buyers, coupled with a decrease in access to training.

Even in the best of times, there's a ton of friction in both running training courses and getting training, and that's for people who want it. That's to say nothing of people who simply might encounter one, without knowing anything at all about how to handle one safely (e.g. handling one they come across in someone's home)

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Reelplayer t1_jee1s29 wrote

Replying to andylikescandy (#2,522,006)

There was also an increase in violent crimes during the COVID response. Nearly every metropolitan area saw an increase in gun-related crimes, especially gang violence, during 2020 and 2021. 2022 appears to have started to decline again.

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Lcokheed_Martini t1_jeefgoo wrote

Just about every undesirable metric went up during the pandemic. Yes, that included gun related injuries.

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icantfindanametwice t1_jeeocle wrote

The murder rate in the 1920’s was the highest in American history which led to social security and a “safety net,” because society was unstable in the extreme.

With inequality hitting near those records once again, no hope for the poor, and the tools which get one out of poverty are more expensive than ever - it’s no mystery why people are drowning in misery.

The easy solution is the only one Republicans and Obama democrats didn’t want when they had the chance: ban weapons of war from the streets and limit guns. Allow muskets only as the founders, framers, and writers of the constitution intended.

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brocksamps0n t1_jeep0ne wrote

Replying to icantfindanametwice (#2,529,486)

If inequality is the problem why not address that? Medicare for all, higher minimum wage, better retirement, guaranteed time off and maternity leave would close wealth gap. Banning guns only allows more power to the people that have power already, ie: the rich and politicians will not get rid of their / private securitys guns

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noopenusernames t1_jef1jeh wrote

I mean, we had millions of new gun owners that year alone. More people using tools they’re learning familiarity with is always going to lead to increased injuries

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colossalrahzel t1_jef8f6f wrote

Gun purchases also skyrocketed during the pandemic so that would make sense to me. Many first time gun buyers.

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Wooden_Penis_5234 t1_jefan69 wrote

Gun purchases went through the roof as people realized the police aren't obligated to protect you. An estimated 2.9% of U.S. adults (7.5 million) became new gun owners from 1 January 2019 to 26 April 2021. Approximately half of all new gun owners were female (50% in 2019 and 47% in 2020 to 2021), 20% were Black (21% in 2019 and in 2020–2021), and 20% were Hispanic (20% in 2019 and 19% in 2020–2021).

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GrimReality131 t1_jefe5po wrote

Replying to littlebitofsnow (#2,535,461)

Take away the gun they'll do it with a bomb take away the bomb they'll do it with a car take away the car they'll try it with a knife. If we'd actually increase quality of life for ALL citizens in this country and have proper health and mental health care it wouldn't be an issue.

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okRacoon t1_jefxe4j wrote

Replying to Lcokheed_Martini (#2,526,410)

As far as crime goes it looks like it was a mix. According to data released by the FBI, the number of homicides in the U.S. rose about 30% in 2020 from the year before. There was a surge in vehicle thefts during the Covid-19 pandemic. In 2020, U.S. crooks purloined 880,595 cars, trucks, and SUVs, which represents a 10.9 percent increase over 2019

However, not all violent crime increased. Robberies were down and property crimes, which account for most crime in the U.S., dropped by 8% in 2020

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Lcokheed_Martini t1_jefxslv wrote

Replying to okRacoon (#2,544,014)

It’s a logical and reasonable inference to suggest that this shift relates to people being home so the opportunities for non-violent property crimes were reduced.

And while people were at home they had more time to implode into self harm or explode into harming others. This occurred more often with those that were already marginalized before Covid hit because they had fewer resources to start and got more marginalized and felts the impacts more acutely.

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Lcokheed_Martini t1_jefztsf wrote

Replying to okRacoon (#2,544,562)

> According to the CDC, from 2019 to 2020, the suicide rate declined overall by 3%.

> Why do you think suicides went down while homicides went up so drastically?

To quote myself:

> This occurred more often with those that were already marginalized before Covid hit because they had fewer resources to start and got more marginalized and felts the impacts more acutely.

Though i would double check that suicide stat. There might be an asterisk in the stat for “ruled a suicide” vice just calling something a accident and moving on.

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tom_swiss t1_jeg47vg wrote

Suicides and homicides rose.

Sticking a portion of homicide together with a portion of suicide based on the tool and calling them "gun deaths" is politically-motivated intellectual dishonesty.

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Kelend t1_jeg5f4o wrote

Replying to andylikescandy (#2,522,006)

>Statistically intuitive: lots of first time gun buyers, coupled with a decrease in access to training.

Um... no.

Suicides.

Its just suicides. Mental health took a dive during covid, people were stripped of their social networks and a lot of them were barely holding on.

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tom_swiss t1_jeg6g70 wrote

Replying to Mammoth-Mud-9609 (#2,546,646)

It would be "factually accurate" to label a subset of vehicle-vehicle collisions and vehicle-pedestrian collisions "iPhone related", if a driver or pedestrian was listening to music or using GPS on a iPhone at the time.

But that "iPhone relationship" is only relevant in a small number of cases, so it would be intellectually dishonest.

Firearms were available before the pandemic. Their availability did not increase during the pandemic. Firearms are not the relevant factor here.

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Mammoth-Mud-9609 t1_jeg7nlk wrote

Replying to tom_swiss (#2,546,933)

It is important because gun deaths also includes a substantial amount of domestic violence cases, there is an attempt by a minority of people to portray gun deaths as just gang members killing each other or occasional innocent member of the public, the truth is that gang violence accounts for a relatively small amount of gun deaths in America and you are more likely to die of a gunshot wound if you own a gun than if you don't.

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Lcokheed_Martini t1_jeghkia wrote

Replying to OG__Swoosh (#2,550,593)

Directly? No because if there was a simple ipso facto causation it would have the same impact across all socio economic groups in the a similar way. The pandemic was experienced very differently by different groups in this country—and economic status was one of the clearer correlations in different effects.

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andylikescandy t1_jegsron wrote

Replying to Kelend (#2,550,654)

Ok that's a hell of a corner case you linked to though, from 34 years ago, I cannot imagine that being representative, it reminds me of people "ODing" on non-lethal medications in "suicide attempts" that were never going to work out. It's easier to get a useful firearm in than it is to Jerry rig something gun like once, and that person did it twice.

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grundar t1_jegy1wc wrote

Replying to Centrist_gun_nut (#2,524,930)

> This is driven almost entirely by a large increase in violent crime and suicides during the pandemic

Suicides decreased during the pandemic.

From the article:
> "The number of people injured by gunfire was nearly 40% higher in 2020 and 2021, compared with 2019, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in a study published Thursday. In 2022, gun injuries tapered off, but were still 20% higher than before the pandemic."

By contrast, suicides were lower in 2020 than 2019, and only modestly higher in 2021 (to 2018 levels).

Check out the data table for yourself; the changes in firearm injury rate don't look at all similar to the changes in suicide rate.

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Narcan9 t1_jegzlo5 wrote

we need more guns In order to fight gun violence.

We also need more donuts to fight the obesity epidemic.

The only way to stop a bad donut, is a good donut with a gun!

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