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Anoobis_117 t1_ishtapp wrote

cool maybe they can figure out how to treat tinnitus now

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pateandcognac t1_isi416p wrote

Iirc, research into reversing hair loss has recently led to a breakthrough in reversing hearing loss and tinnitus by regrowing the auditory sensory hairs. There may be hope on the horizon.

I just learned about this finger thumping technique to help with tinnitus. Gives me some relief, sometimes. Ymmv

edit: I looked it up. here's a link I also just learned that tinnitus is associated with dementia, so there's that.

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whattherede t1_isjce1c wrote

The connection between hearing loss and tinnitus is a little unclear, plenty of people have hearing loss without tinnitus, and many people have debilitating severe tinnitus while scoring perfectly on an audiogram.

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windowpuncher t1_isjip23 wrote

Yep, I'm the latter. I have absurdly good hearing, always have, but making out any details is really hard because EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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whattherede t1_isjj6s5 wrote

I'm also the latter, SCREAMING, multi-tonal tinnitus and told my hearing was perfect.

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PretendsHesPissed t1_isjos5r wrote

Same here. Actually have hearing that goes a bit above the average hearing for a human (26k) but still have that delightful 24/7 tinnitus that sometimes loves to pretend it's a multi-instrument symphony playing inside my ears.

YES, I HEAR YOU, CONDUCTOR! NO, I DON'T WANT AN ENCORE.

Dammit. He ignored me again.

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poppy_otter t1_isjr67m wrote

I have a symphony in the left ear & EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE in the right. I haven’t bothered getting my hearing tested, I just know I rely on subtitles so that the tv is blasting my kid’s hearing…too much anyway.

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PretendsHesPissed t1_iskfutq wrote

Subtitles on everything else I have no idea what's going on.

They're great even for the non-hearing fuct, especially given that right now it's quite popular to deliberately make dialogue and background sounds confusing and inaudible as hell.

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HealthyBits t1_isjn9wt wrote

I just love when the Eeeeeee changes pitch and goes EEEEEEEEE to the point that it covers any other noise.

Fun times….

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maguchifujiwara t1_isjoxo0 wrote

Thanks for the info. TIL I have tinnitus and probably pretty severe at that! I always thought you couldn’t have one without the other.

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SiGNALSiX t1_iskfh3o wrote

How do you score perfectly on a hearing test if you have loud tinnitus? Wouldn't the tinnitus (especially if its multi-tonal) mask some of the test tones?

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Intelligent_Tip_4989 t1_isnvhyn wrote

Not nescarilly, atleast fro mine it doesn't cover up sounds. Can sort of hear through it. Can still hear plug sockets, birds those annoying cat scares in people's gardens

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PretendsHesPissed t1_iskgcqa wrote

Yeah. While it does last longer than I do in bed, it's still a harsh reminder that it's always there.

On the flip side, at least we have comfort in knowing that one of the reasons why life is so hard for us is the permanent disfigurement of our hearing. Yay!

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VitiateKorriban t1_isin7zb wrote

I did that exercise and felt immediate relief, albeit it was short

Thank you

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tonyrizzo21 t1_isjar7n wrote

But the OSHA video my employer makes us watch every years says those tiny ear hairs never grow back!

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practicing_vaxxer t1_isjw8jq wrote

I think the correlation with using earphones and not using earplugs is a lot stronger.

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draeath t1_iskdcs7 wrote

> I also just learned that tinnitus is associated with dementia, so there's that.

Oh goodie

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egoic t1_isku9v6 wrote

For others here's something to possibly consider before using the thumping technique: I don't know if it's just me but the thumping technique just got me really really depressed when I found it, because it reminded me what it was like to hear silence again and the effects are quite short-lived. Not saying someone shouldn't try that if it gives them hope or some bit of happiness or relief, but if someone has a lifelong constant tinnitus and they have come to terms with their condition then sometimes it's better to just not think about what's lost and learn to live with life the way it is now. Everyone is different, but it's just something to consider before trying if you're living with the condition

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Shambhala87 t1_isjgyhh wrote

“Beating on the heavenly drum”

It doesn’t help mine : /

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DunebillyDave t1_it0bspl wrote

I really hope you're right because

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

SHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSHSH

HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

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theWora t1_ishtzcm wrote

I was literally about to comment the same!! Looks like we're not the only ones to wish to get rid of that darn tinnitus

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NicNoletree t1_ishulqc wrote

What, you don't enjoy your personal choir of cicadas?

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Anoobis_117 t1_ishwz4k wrote

cicadas? my tinnitus just goes ^eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee forever

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Celestron5 t1_ishyjte wrote

Mine sounds like high pitched dial up tones

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Anoobis_117 t1_ishypo7 wrote

Ah I get those too and I hates them

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cvnh t1_isiui2y wrote

Me too and it's annoying

There's hope

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Bisontracks t1_isin6ym wrote

When I worked for a call centre, my tinnitus changed pitch to match the fuckin dial tone from the headset.

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h_phantom t1_ishzz11 wrote

Mine isn't so much the constant ringing as I can't hear high pitched noises. On my yearly hearing exams I can hear deep notes well, but the high pitched ones are impossible. My girlfriend gets frustrated but I really can't hear her well because of it.

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ellieD t1_isi1oyc wrote

Imagine how thrilled I was when they told me my hearing issues were in the frequency of voices.

Great!

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yagonnawanna t1_isi7ela wrote

I have hyperacusis along with it. My life is mostly a living hell. Hopefully this research goes somewhere.

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Fishydeals t1_isizdkx wrote

That's a classic. But do you also get those 'my ear just got disconnected from my brain and is now slowly getting reconnected through a constantly louder getting eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee' for about 30 seconds until you're back to your usual tinnitus?

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Anoobis_117 t1_isizg6p wrote

I get that when I'm either zoned out and come too or when I stand up too fast

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Fishydeals t1_isizozt wrote

For me it's completely random somehow. Like I could be super focused playing a competitive videogame, or lying in bed trying to get some sleep.

Glad to know I'm not the only one though.

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MisterBaked t1_iskyfr9 wrote

Same here. I can go a week or more without experiencing it, and then sometimes it'll happen more than once in one day. There doesn't seem to be any trigger for it as far as I've noticed.

I think of it as our ears recalibrating

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vivalavida1357 t1_isl4ea8 wrote

I think it happens when I am stressed or have been, but not exposed to loud noises.

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SergeConcierge t1_it6qirw wrote

Yup! I once had one of which the new tone never went away, so now they raise my heartbeat instantly.

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Fskn t1_isif1xt wrote

Mines like the resonance sound you hear when you turn off an old tube television but a lot more intense.

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klipseracer t1_isiyjov wrote

You know everyone I read about tinnitus, I can begin hearing this. It's like when an old CRT TV is on in the background playing nothing, but can hear the high pitched squealing.

I wonder if it's in my mind or if my mind has just been zoning it out not sure.

My right ear was injured by an ear doctor, who did a job on my ear with the alligator things when I was a kid. I was crying in the chair and had to finish one ear before we left. That ear has been jacked up ever since.

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3z3ki3l t1_ishzxk4 wrote

I hear it, but it’s never bothered me. Sometimes I can use it to meditate and help me sleep.

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free-advice t1_isi177i wrote

You know, tinnitus is weird. I handle it way better than I would have thought I would. I do miss true quietness at times. Morning coffee on the back porch for example. But it doesn't drive me crazy either. I am sure there is a volume where I would not be able to say that so I am trying to preserve what I have.

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3z3ki3l t1_isi1oee wrote

I was basically born with it. Pretty sure I got it from some botched ear tubes when I was about two years old.

Never knew I had it until I was 22, when someone mentioned they heard ringing in their ears all the time, and it was called tinnitus. I thought it was normal to hear ringing in more quiet environments.

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CatFaerie t1_isi3x99 wrote

I don't know when I got mine, either. I used to sneak outside at night in the summer when I couldn't sleep and I thought that was the sound the stars make.

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FalloutHUN t1_isioyy3 wrote

Sound of the stars.... I've never heard or thought about this, but it's so deep and wholesome... I'm speechless.

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free-advice t1_isi273w wrote

Yeah I feel like I had mine since adolescence. It has just gotten progressively louder as I have aged. I would swear, btw, that after my bout with covid19 it got way worse.

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Fishydeals t1_isizilp wrote

Mine stayed about the same through covid.

Mvp contributors were my time in the orchestra, drumming and festivals.

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hnnngaWOOga t1_isi4pdn wrote

same. thought my ringing was from blood flowing through my head

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Ixneigh t1_isiyatf wrote

I’ve always had it too, as does my dad. It’s gotten a bit more noticeable as I get older though

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theWora t1_isi3n45 wrote

I remenber when I would go back to my parents' house, in a more rural area, and at night I could only hear the night and crickets in the distance. Last 2 or so years I haven't been able to hear the night, just the ringing in my ears. :(

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free-advice t1_isi500g wrote

Yeah I live in that rural environment you visit. I could have peace without that sound. But I've basically found peace with it. The rest of life is good enough that I can't complain haha. I won the lottery.

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borednord t1_isip36z wrote

Sometimes mine goes EEEEEEEEEE for a while before going back to eeeeeeee.

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ournextarc t1_isizkkj wrote

Like the sound they play in movies/games when a flash grenade goes off and all sound stop except that high pitched ring. That. All day. My entire life. It's so damn loud and distracting some times. And the "pops" when it'll suddenly get way louder and more intense in one ear for a few seconds to minutes. So. Much. Fun.

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Anoobis_117 t1_isizsot wrote

one day I flashbanged myself in CoD and the sound never stopped

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Ixneigh t1_isiy5fv wrote

All my nights are warm summer nights

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ellieD t1_isi1kyg wrote

Please God!

PLEASE!

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theWora t1_isi2ha3 wrote

Plz god, if you're listening, Bc I surely can't, make it go away!!!

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ellieD t1_isi47mu wrote

HUGS!

For the first two years, it was so loud, I cried about it more than once.

It was driving me crazy!

I had to take sleeping pills for a while.

13 years later, there are whole days I don’t think about it.

Very lucky that your brain actually learns to ignore it somewhat.

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theWora t1_isi4wyc wrote

I'm going to have to look into the science if what makes this happen. Is it the actual ear, drum, or soemthing in there that makes it ring, or is it also related to the brain, like maybe the ear sends false signals to the brain and the brain keeps stimulation going?

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ellieD t1_isibigi wrote

For me, it was ear damage from a loud noise.

:(

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theWora t1_isibndw wrote

I see. I think for it, it started due to cabling constantly exposed to this high-pitch noise for over a year. The areas I lived it wasn't the best, so there was a lot of noise pollution near me.

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Ixneigh t1_isiygwq wrote

Power tools and no hearing protection I think made mine a lot worse

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nerd4code t1_isidk2q wrote

AFAIK it’s usually associated with the cochlea specifically, which is where the body applies the biological equivalent to a Fourier transform to incoming noise. But it can be caused by damage to nerves or certain parts of the brain, or even impacted earwax.

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theWora t1_isidsux wrote

I see. Man, I hate having tinnitus.

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designingtheweb t1_isivw0c wrote

I believe South Korea had a breakthrough with treating tinnitus. Something to do with injecting nerve-blockers. It had a super high success rate. I don’t know if the treatment is available yet, but I wouldn’t mind traveling to S.Korea to get this done.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35299621/

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Tulaodinho t1_isj0bh6 wrote

It was not that good, people at the tinnitus talk forum went there on purpose even

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NLP_Onyx t1_isj5m95 wrote

12 years Navy here - sometimes my right ear does it's thing while my wife is talking to me and, while it can be annoying, I try to at least get some laughs out of it when I tell her that the tinnitus is telling me to not listen to her.

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SnooBooks1701 t1_isih4xx wrote

I hope so, I'm so fed up of hearing static my entire life

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KittenKoder t1_isinha2 wrote

I hope so, I'm starting to develop it and it's driving me insane.

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TXblindman t1_isj6zcs wrote

I’d “EEEEEEEEE” really appreciate that.

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frankenpoopies t1_isjcqkt wrote

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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wrist_proud_dance t1_isjjudd wrote

Aww, but I liked the fact that every idiot blasting their music will have to pay for that for the rest of their lives.

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IndyMLVC t1_isicy0m wrote

This is the quote:

"The auditory neuroscience field has been waiting for these results for decades, and now that they are right here -- we are ecstatic,” said Peter Barr-Gillespie, Ph.D., an OHSU research scientist and national leader in hearing research. “The results from this paper immediately suggest new avenues of research, and so will invigorate the field for years to come.”

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FerociousPancake t1_islzcds wrote

Hoping very much we can use this to improve hearing aids. But I know a few people that do and “good” ones that cost $10K still don’t work well.

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IndyMLVC t1_islzkv3 wrote

See about the new Sony ones that are coming out. Biden changed the game

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FerociousPancake t1_ism09je wrote

Good! That’s super awesome to hear. I’m very happy with the progress made in several areas under Biden.

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TDalton24 t1_ism6v18 wrote

You mean congress did in 2017?

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IndyMLVC t1_ism6xxi wrote

No. I mean Biden did. In August.

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TDalton24 t1_ism7c8e wrote

Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Act of 2017

Passed the House on July 12, 2017 (passed without objection)

Passed the Senate on August 3, 2017 (passed voice vote)

Signed into law by President Donald Trump on August 18, 2017

I am not pro Trump and quite honestly disgusted by him but Biden did not do this. Although to be fair I am sure he would have. It was bipartisan but you introduced as if Biden did something here and he didn't.

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IndyMLVC t1_ism7ihx wrote

Then what was the hold up and why did Biden have to get involved and actually make a executive order?

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TDalton24 t1_ism86mk wrote

Because you can't have it be the wild west as that can be bad for consumers sometimes. So the law actually granted the FDA 3 years to do it. Biden could have made his "statement" on Day 1 of his presidency if he felt like it. My guess is his timing is actually the right choice here as his team felt that everything was ready and in place. I dont give Trump any more credit here than Biden. I don't like either and would begrudgingly vote for Biden on a 2 person ballot. But I don't think this is something that's political. Technology is better and quite honestly the science is better that not enough people with mild to moderate hearing loss were using the old system so this is better even if people don't get as good a fit and usage but atleast will have them in higher numbers

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Theamuse_Ourania t1_isi1w2f wrote

I was born with a cleft lip and palate. OHSU treated me from the time I was 12 to 20. When I was very little I had chronic ear infections as a nasty side-effect of my cleft. I was constantly in and out of surgery before I was 5 getting tubes put in and pulled out of my ears.

I've been told that having all that done is the reason why I can't hear out of one ear. I don't know how but the constant tubes caused a calcium build up around the inner ear bone that vibrates when you hear sound. The surgeons said that it's like someone encased that tiny bone in cement and that there is no current medical treatment to cure it.

Reading this article gives me hope that soon I might be cured and will be able to hear out of that ear for the first time!

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What_the_muff t1_isiayw4 wrote

That's really awful. They can make tiny prosthetic ear bones now, and even shape those that have bone spurs or incorrect shapes. But complete encasing? That would be a problem. This mechanism unfortunately doesn't really help the situation of those like you yet. The best bet would be bypassing the "external" mechanics and going with something like a cochlear implant.

Hearing research is way behind other health fields, makes me very sad since it affects so many people.

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jardedCollinsky t1_isij2jt wrote

Good, us Gen Z peeps have earbuds in constantly, we'll need some medical miracles to not be deaf asf bother time we are older

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Mega__Maniac t1_isiux0y wrote

I actually think this generation are likely better off. Awareness of volume levels is much better, those earbuds limit their volume to much more sensible levels than the ear/headphones of past, and ANC allows for much lower listening levels whilst still drowning out background noise.

Would be interesting to know if it's actually got better or not, as I'm obviously just guessing.

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jardedCollinsky t1_islh70m wrote

My main reason isn't that they are louder or anything, but that it's constant. I mean I literally have an earbud in like 8 hours a day, all through work unless I'm talking to someone and at home I use them as well, and I'm not even an extreme case or anything, others wear theirs more than me. But you make some solid points so ig I could see it going either way.

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pornis-addictive t1_isw3wbh wrote

Holly smokes. That's an absurd amount of time.

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jardedCollinsky t1_isw43r5 wrote

Zoomers man, I know a lot of people who wore an earbud any chance they got all through school and then now at work if they can get away with it. When people work out they do, when people just chill at at home they do. It's constant some days it feels like.

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pornis-addictive t1_isw4cet wrote

If you are in this forum, I imagine you already have tinnitus? Do you have HL? I'm curious, how old are you?

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saddybedangdang t1_isjx1pd wrote

very good point, if anything perhaps it'll be more eye issues given screen time has increased for all ages

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Mega__Maniac t1_isz8nfm wrote

Mine are already square from sitting too close to the TV as a child.

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imsailingimasailor t1_ishzu8y wrote

What am I looking at? Are those proteins, or springs?

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tompz t1_isiqqnm wrote

Please can they use this to silence my raging tinnitus? Please?

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SirMandrake t1_isi24j6 wrote

Now this seems promising for someone like me with Bilateral sensorineural hearing loss.

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love_that_fishing t1_isji2rj wrote

OHSU has always been a leader in tinnitus research. they used to do Tinnitus Retraining Therapy. I looked into it there 20+ years ago.

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words_of_j t1_isjzyvh wrote

I wonder if this can pave the way for help with tinnitus?

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triptick99 t1_iskdk7g wrote

Wow, a baby step to be sure. But, where thus might lead is extremely exciting. I hope I don't die with this monster stalking me anymore!!!

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anonymous_teve t1_iskj950 wrote

Oh, exciting! Before I click the link I just want to post this and go out on a limb so I can later brag and say I called it: it's gotta be the ears, right?

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JiuVirgil t1_isivm29 wrote

Vvkn. Noooooobooooooooooo

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immacomputah t1_isjd8ji wrote

Please cure my chronic and debilitating tinnitus. It’s driving me crazy in the worst way. It’s so loud and it never goes away.

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StinkyTheMonkey t1_isjer6o wrote

Testing was conducted at the Garrett Morris Institute for Auditory Research.

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OnlyBubble t1_isjnz5n wrote

OHSU has always been a leader in tinnitus research

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Riversntallbuildings t1_isjrlrr wrote

Two points:

One, does this discovery give us any better shot at fixing tinnitus?

Two, while I appreciate this article, this quote:

*“This is the last sensory system in which that fundamental molecular machinery has remained unknown,” *

Doesn’t strike me as accurate. I thought the sense of smell was the bigger molecular mystery. Especially because people smell differently. What is pleasant to one person is not to others. However, sound is pretty universal and easily measured with tone, frequency & decibels.

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MrCloudyMan t1_iu6vt1t wrote

I imagine it will help those who've had tinnitus as a result of hearing loss.

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Riversntallbuildings t1_iu7b366 wrote

Any idea when it will be available?

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MrCloudyMan t1_iu83vue wrote

Well, they found the chemicals that translate vibrations into sound. And it wasnt confirmed on humans, but on an animal whose ears are closely similar to humans.

So theres a long way to go. First they probably need to confirm the same hypothesis on humans. Then they need to see how it is related to the inner hair cells. So were probably looking forward regenerative hair cell medication. When a medication is found, it will need to go through all clinical trials. So overall I'd say 10 years if we are very lucky, otherwise 20-30 years.

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Radsthetics t1_islk9w0 wrote

Nice. Great to see something that helps out people.

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lamya8 t1_islz4jb wrote

I wonder if this will help progress finding treatments for auditory processing disorder.

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vivalavida1357 t1_isoghov wrote

Can someone explain shortly what this means? For hearing loss, which type? Tinnitus? What are we waiting for now with this? Which stage is it in as of today?? Someone tell me if they know.

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teratogenic17 t1_isirjhh wrote

I was thinking of the research that showed persistence of consciousness after clinical death (PET scans?), and wondering how resilient these molecules are. The Bardo Thos Gröl mentions speaking loudly into the ear of the recently deceased, to comfort them and guide them.

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flamewizzy21 t1_isjcrbi wrote

Scientists discover that hearing is indeed caused by sound.

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