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tedcruzrileycurry t1_ixpg480 wrote
He should make them in Michigan I’m sure everyone will be happy
supaloopar t1_ixph3qw wrote
He was having problems with US made ones
712Chandler t1_ixph522 wrote
Elon is driving all of his businesses into the ground
aneeta96 t1_ixpj9h8 wrote
He was having problems with US workers wanting overtime pay and weekends.
Seems that the 16hr days six days a week isn't working out so well either.
Tiggywiggler t1_ixpjd1c wrote
I'm never buying one of these things. The amount of recalls and re engineering on safety systems, i just couldn't trust it.
new_refugee123456789 t1_ixpjsi3 wrote
Or at least into a cyclist and then a wall.
EnigmatiCarl t1_ixpkdu0 wrote
And everyone already knows that fords are garbage
3my0 t1_ixpkem2 wrote
You realize 80k is a small recall right? Ford just recalled 634k today too for example.
3my0 t1_ixpldzn wrote
Don’t worry. I’ll get downvoted anyway. Narrative > facts
cloud3321 t1_ixplwia wrote
Well, I wouldn’t probably say 80k as a small number, recall wise. It only seem when compared to a huge recall by ford.
80k cars seems like a huge quality issue at a particular plant that has been going on for a couple of months at least. Well not that I know anything about this particular instance.
0KdQ6 t1_ixply02 wrote
All their recalls are just get posed to Reddit. Most are actually fixed over the air.
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Tiggywiggler t1_ixpmu3y wrote
They are talking about seatbelt manufacturing problems. You arent fixing that over the air
Gargenville t1_ixpn0rm wrote
I can’t believe they found a way to make their build quality worse.
SeparateAd5914 t1_ixpn9bf wrote
The guy said most..
SeparateAd5914 t1_ixpnbfc wrote
Bad build quality from America.
LegitimateCrows t1_ixpni5f wrote
Ford just recalled 634,000 vehicles worldwide for cracking fuel injectors that can cause fires. And your point is what again?
shaolin_tech t1_ixpnllj wrote
And Ford just recalled over 600,000 vehicles over fire risk. Recalls happen constantly to all vehicle manufactures, not sure why people seem surprised.
SomeBloke t1_ixpoy7q wrote
… that he's never buying a Tesla? And that he wasn't aware that meant the only other vehicle option in the world is Ford?
SomeBloke t1_ixpp19f wrote
Data will show that the accelerator was pressed hard to the floor right before the crash.
Zrkkr t1_ixpqml0 wrote
Also I would not buy a Ford even if they had no recalls, from what I've heard from friends and family they suck ass.
Zrkkr t1_ixprjoi wrote
Ford made around 17 million cars in 2021
Tesla made just shy of 1 million in 2021
Obviously not perfect since they both didn't start making cars in 2021 but I ain't digging that deep and Ford has always been a bigger manufacturer.
Needless to say 80k × 17 is more than 634k. So Tesla recalled a higher percent of Teslas. Tesla's recall was bigger for them.
pixiegod t1_ixpruet wrote
Not all…Tesla does a good job keeping their fires and issues under wraps….we don’t hear about them all…
Source: I worked at automotive OEM’s during the time Tesla first releasing their cars…the automotive world is a small one as everyone buys stuff from the same vendors.
pixiegod t1_ixpryqt wrote
I wouldn’t buy a ford either…
This being said, the stat you want to look at is how many recalls as a percentage of all cars built. Tesla’s build quality has been on the shit end of the stick for a very long time.
pixiegod t1_ixps1yi wrote
What the percentage of cars that Tesla recalled vs Ford?
evorna t1_ixpswut wrote
Sounds like the Chinese dictatorship
AwkwardSympathy7 t1_ixptaz2 wrote
They trying to kill us dawg….
Glad_Ideal_8514 t1_ixptsyd wrote
The media have done a real job on you if this is your impression. I’m guessing you’ve never driven a Tesla? Meanwhile I’ll never buy another brand again.
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Monkey77778 t1_ixpuur9 wrote
Point is fords and teslas are shit vehicles, man you teslas fan boys always out here embarrassing yourselves.
devilsadvocateMD t1_ixq0f5z wrote
I doubt you’re driving a Tesla, so they aren’t trying to kill you.
Bosavius t1_ixq21mn wrote
Could you provide me a link to a source for those stats please?
budjuice t1_ixq2aoq wrote
78000 issues fixed over the air 2000 in person. I personally love that ALL my recalls and issues have been fixed over the air or as part of regular software update that happen every few weeks. Also love the new features that magically appear. Best car I’ve ever had from a feature functionality standpoint.
Tarcye t1_ixq2d0z wrote
It's a requirement of being a muskrat.
It's an instant -98% intelligence debuff.
:P
budjuice t1_ixq2ep8 wrote
Just regular EV haters. Like those ICE people park diagonally at super chargers. Prob one of those guys.
ikoncipher t1_ixq2y5e wrote
Where's the QA
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Tiggywiggler t1_ixq4tzc wrote
78000 issues?! And you consider that to be a good performance? You are happy about that?
budjuice t1_ixq561a wrote
According to the article of the 80000 recalls 78000 are software fixed. Yeah i consider that great. There’s another much larger recall related to the power windows. Also over the air fixed. The letter goes something like this. “Recall for you car VIN…. Nothing for you to do. It has already been fixed.” Back to what ever you were doing. Cool.
pixiegod t1_ixq5ti3 wrote
Sorry, the dppm (defects parts per million) is for parts…this ranking is based on defects per 100 cars, so it’s easy to have multiple defects per car or scores in the multiple hundreds.
Tesla and other startups for years weren’t on the study(iirc, I am older unit with an older memory chip damaged by a very full life!)…but in 2021 Tesla was 30 out of 33 OEM’s.
Love them or hate them JDPower is a known force in the car world…and before all the Musk fanbois come in here trying to save Elons ego from any more shame…Tesla was known in the industry for having a very connected team of 3 who pulled a few stories from major leading sites/publications early on…in other words, they are the media darling…Jalopnik practically had his lips stapled to musks ass for a decade at least.
So if any market data was manipulated…it would have been to take him from a west score to the 30 he finally placed at…
Ps…I am of the mindset that anyone can be bought…I treat JDPower in the automotive space like I treat Gartners in the IT space….great to get an high level idea as to what a “thing” compares to other “things”…but the details might be skewed depending on who you pay off…this being said, you won’t get into the magic quadrant by bribes alone and the bribe can only move the needle so far.
Also, just re-read the article and yes…this was Tesla first year…Fisker, Aptera, Rivian, etc are not there.
Dry-Investigator8230 t1_ixq6797 wrote
Shhhhhhh! elon bad!
tvfanatic1337 t1_ixq76nz wrote
Why didn’t they just release good software the first time. They have a lower standard for software because they rely on over the air updates as a crutch rather than developing it correctly the first time.
tvfanatic1337 t1_ixq7d7v wrote
What is QA? Questions and Answers by Elon Musk?
BLSmith2112 t1_ixq7et7 wrote
Finally a logical comment not being downloaded to hell. Kind of shocked. I own a Tesla and have never noticed any actual issues.
ikoncipher t1_ixq7f30 wrote
Quality Assurance
0KdQ6 t1_ixq7glv wrote
All manufacturers now do over the air patches. And none have yet been able to write bug free code.
tvfanatic1337 t1_ixq7mv8 wrote
Other companies don’t have as many over the air patches as Tesla. Tesla had a recall earlier this week for taillight software not working! This is the most basic thing, turning on a light, and they don’t even put care into that software even.
tvfanatic1337 t1_ixq7pqc wrote
Quality is assured by Elon on meth apparently
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iqisoverrated t1_ixqanvj wrote
Clickbait (as usual).
13k due to potentially faulty seatbelts (to be checked)
Rest is an OTA.
endfossilfuel t1_ixqba8z wrote
Has nobody realized this is an article in an Indian newspaper? They are talking about cars imported to India from China. Teslas sold in the USA are made in the USA.
endfossilfuel t1_ixqbfa2 wrote
Exporting from Michigan to India doesn’t make much sense.
mukavastinumb t1_ixqdv1y wrote
Ford recalls / Ford cars
Same thing with Tesla.
Ford made ~15 mil cars last year and Tesla ~ 1mil. You are free to google recall numbers
NiftyCent t1_ixqen0u wrote
If you go into a dealership here Germany and talk to them you’ve heard about bad build quality, they will be quick to assure you that you don’t need to worry: that was a problem with the old versions built in the US. The ones for the European market are built in China now.
The Y and 3 I test-drove still had squeaking sounds coming from all parts of the dashboard and trunk, though.
RhoOfFeh t1_ixqey4l wrote
I had one for a year.
Now I have two.
danielravennest t1_ixqh7n8 wrote
Except his tunneling business, which started in the ground.
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Bloody_Smashing t1_ixqhw4m wrote
Teslas are more of an appliance than a car, and it won't take very long for real car companies to start catching up to them.
The number of people willing to bet their lives and welfare on Chinese manufacturing is astonishing.
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FBI_Agent_Fred t1_ixqivqx wrote
And the guy that owns Tesla also owns something else that the CCP doesn’t think of too fondly. I wonder if there could be influence. Lol
bronyraur t1_ixqj1i5 wrote
You realize Tesla Makes cars in America yes? They are also the largest producer of BEVs in the world, very much a real car company lol. You’re the same thing as a musk fanboy to me just opposite.
bronyraur t1_ixqjd06 wrote
What’s a quality car company to you, just curious
wheresmyspaceship t1_ixqjhr1 wrote
Even great software has bugs. No one in the history of ever will ever write bug free code.
Bloody_Smashing t1_ixqk6xc wrote
>You realize Tesla Makes cars in America yes?
Lots of cars get assembled in America my dude; if your'e going to start this "argument", at least be more specific, but I can already tell you'll just waste my time and give me a headache at best.
thebigsad_69420 t1_ixqktmc wrote
People have been saying this for 10 years
It is literally an ongoing joke
bronyraur t1_ixqlehn wrote
Lol a waste of your time— both your statements are unfounded and dumb:
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Tesla is an appliance not a car/ not a “real car company”
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You trust Chinese manufacturing when you buy one (outside china) - US buyers do not have to trust china, as they are built primarily in America/North America
KebabGud t1_ixqllga wrote
Its not even that, this is about a recall in China on 67,698 US made Model S and Model X, 2,736 US made Model 3's and 10,127 China-made Models 3's
All still in China. So the headline is actually lying
Abba_Fiskbullar t1_ixqlzec wrote
You're either disingenuous or low information. US built Teslas are made almost entirely using domestic parts. I have a neighbor who works in the stamping department in Fremont, and he's making parts there, not unboxing shit from China.
Bloody_Smashing t1_ixqm0fb wrote
Quality automotive development takes time, and battery technology isn't quite where we need it yet.
shrekster82 t1_ixqmc35 wrote
Good Tesla doesn’t need you to buy one. They will sell 2-2.5million cars with or with out you by the end of next year.
Bloody_Smashing t1_ixqmgi5 wrote
>US built Teslas are made almost entirely using domestic parts.
Key word: almost
shrekster82 t1_ixqmj0b wrote
Teslas are made in Fremont California and Austin Texas. The misinformation on these subs are insane. Also Chinese made Tesla’s are insanely well produced as well.
thebigsad_69420 t1_ixqmo8z wrote
Lmao it is clear you are not an engineer
Dashlockhart t1_ixqn8vw wrote
It’s China lol
Extreme_Address7043 t1_ixqnxcn wrote
Lmao, just go see the other post about how many cars Ford is recalling. And guess what, for Ford it’s not going to be an OTA. But please tell me more about these “real car” companies.
Abba_Fiskbullar t1_ixqp4s1 wrote
Yes, they buy parts from Bosch and Continental, just like every other manufacturer, but part of how Tesla has been able to maintain cost control is through vertical integration. Most of the parts for Fremont built cars are made within a few miles of the Fremont plant, and have been since it was making Tacomas and Vibes as NUMMI.
Feezygang23 t1_ixqqaww wrote
Those 632,000 Ford EVs ain’t looking any bit more enticing. Like it or not, Tesla’s are the superior EV on the market, by a long shot.
PM_ME_YOURPRIVATEKEY t1_ixqqrql wrote
Is this the new line for Muskrats? The CCP is trying to smear the poor billionaire?
FBI_Agent_Fred t1_ixqrdx0 wrote
I wouldn’t know, I don’t know many/any, but wouldn’t it be very easy for them to apply pressure to create changes they wanted on Twitter since his factories are still mostly in China? Seems like he could be easily leveraged.
Poor billionaires potentially being smeared by entire countries. Life must be so tough for them. So sad.
PM_ME_YOURPRIVATEKEY t1_ixqrkcs wrote
Turns out having the net worth of a small country makes you a target for harassment from state actors.
Hoarding wealth is a mental disorder.
thenoblitt t1_ixqsizw wrote
You have no idea what you're talking about
thenoblitt t1_ixqsqra wrote
Man everyone in this thread kinda sucks. It's either all blind Elon followers or all blind Elon haters.
hrgilbert t1_ixqu431 wrote
Not OP but I'd personally say Volvo, Mercedes, Hyundai, BMW, Honda.
ColossalJuggernaut t1_ixquwkb wrote
What do you guys think about Nissan? I have a Rogue from 2015 that has been a dream so far at 100k miles. Very reliable, but I am just one data point.
bronyraur t1_ixqv5og wrote
Lol it’s literally “the most American made car” you’re either a troll or an idiot
[deleted] t1_ixqvsd3 wrote
I was an tech at a major manufacturers dealership. I did recall repairs all the time. The ones and mounts Tesla has don’t seem to be unusual, though i guess I’d have to see an official list to really compare.
Edit: so that’s not to say they aren’t doing worse than others, but it’s hard to make an actually judgement just based on media coverage.
gwicksted t1_ixqwhnq wrote
^^ this. They all do lots of recalls.
juriettochan t1_ixqxgy0 wrote
I’m glad Musk is finally getting his ass kicked by karma, all within a couple of months
Bloody_Smashing t1_ixqykat wrote
It's a globalist industry, and the origin of parts isn't the main issue here, despite the fact that China is an alcoholic's shit stain on the automotive industry (and many other industries) the world over.
I see Teslas as appliances more then cars simply due to their extremely hostile stance on right-to-repair, and the sheer lack of haptic feedback that goes into most of their designs. There are really good reasons why "real" car companies don't use touchscreens to engage gears for example, it's really poor design.
Battery technology also isn't where we need it yet. Do high quality dependable batteries exist? Sure they do, but those surely don't help the bottom-line of manufacturers, and cheap batteries are everywhere, especially out of China.
tvfanatic1337 t1_ixqz38j wrote
I pointed the above article out because it was just 3 days ago. If I pull up every Tesla recall since June when this Ford recall, I would hit the character limit of Reddit
wortmachine t1_ixqz8ng wrote
Well that is just misleading as hell… TIL India generates its own BS clickbait articles!
tvfanatic1337 t1_ixqzc36 wrote
I have had a Honda for 8 years and never needed a software update for a recall and no major issues. It’s good engineering.
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Abba_Fiskbullar t1_ixr1xf2 wrote
Just shift that rhetorical golepost!
Bloody_Smashing t1_ixr2xym wrote
Call it whatever you want, you haven't proven me wrong in any way just yet.
MrLionOtterBearClown t1_ixr7x41 wrote
I mean TBF not all teslas are made in China. Most are still made in America. And no doubt they have their QA issues, but the defects are blown wayyyy out of proportion. Sure, a higher percentage of teslas have production defects that other manufacturers, but it’s not like EVERY car they make has something wrong with it. Most are problem-free. I know like 10 people with teslas and like 2 have very minor panel gap issues and one had the 12v battery die but that happens to gas cars too.
They’re also all in the top 10 safest cars from crash ratings and things like that.
3my0 t1_ixra6sb wrote
Lol 17 million? You realize that’s like 1/3 of the entire new car sales in 2021, right? Ford isn’t even close to that big.Ford actually sold only 3,942,000 cars globally.
3my0 t1_ixrap8w wrote
Ford sold about 4 times more cars than Tesla in 2021. Even less than that so far in 2022.
Multiply 80k by 4. Is the number bigger or smaller than 634k?
Efficient_Criticism t1_ixrj5qa wrote
So basically they both need more time.
110110 t1_ixrjw7k wrote
Because you aren't cool unless you hate on Tesla. DuH.
[deleted] t1_ixrku6h wrote
Across 3 models and all years? Doesn’t seem out of the ordinary
shrekster82 t1_ixrlws1 wrote
Your dumb af
SlackBytes t1_ixrq5u1 wrote
Tesla is the most profitable US automaker. Next year it’ll be number 1 in the world. While legacy automakers make less and less each year.
SeaweedSorcerer t1_ixrrylk wrote
The article mixes together two “recalls”: one that affects more cars and will be fixed with a software update, and a smaller recall that needs a physical inspection. This, as ever, is evidence that the regulators need to break down the “recall” regulation to catch up with a world where cars can software update trivially.
SeaweedSorcerer t1_ixrshca wrote
In a lot of cases it’s something like “after building 50,000 of this thing and doing in factory acceptance testing/real world telemetry on them we’ve realized tolerance constant for sensor x should have been 0.054 instead of 0.057. We’ve changed it.” Software gets messy when it touches the real world.
DeadNChillin1 t1_ixrtybu wrote
We all know why china did it.
bored123abc t1_ixs3kty wrote
China is not safe for business.
Bensemus t1_ixs7tv5 wrote
lol Hyundai is recalling hundreds of thousands of cars too. It's just part of being a car maker.
AlanzAlda t1_ixs8o17 wrote
The point of a recall isn't that the car needs to be physically recalled. It's that there's a legal and regulatory framework for the government to track large scale issues with these vehicles. Just because it's an over the air fix, doesn't mean that every customer will get it, or that we shouldn't care about the flaw being present to begin with.
If anything you should be more scared that Tesla flies by the seat of their pants with untested software, and evident flaws emerging at a rapid rate.
SeaweedSorcerer t1_ixs8tzr wrote
The point is there is a level of consumer action for these two decision paths that is vastly different. People are going to start ignoring the word “recall” assuming it will be a software fix.
AlanzAlda t1_ixs909x wrote
The onus to notify affected customers has always been on the company issuing the recall. Nothing here has changed, people don't go to the Ford dealership to deal with a physical recall until they get the notice in the mail.
Strange-Effort1305 t1_ixsk1fl wrote
Bipolar CEO too busy sucking off QAnon on twitter to care. A rudderless ship.
circumtopia t1_ixskazf wrote
Don't you look fucking stupid now?
circumtopia t1_ixskc9v wrote
Most were made in the US dummy
circumtopia t1_ixskenb wrote
Most were made in the US yet they still make it seem like it was the Chinese ones...
pekak62 t1_ixskuxp wrote
r/Chinesium
ughliterallycanteven t1_ixsxqdl wrote
Hyundai cheaped out on security systems plus the lovely theta 2 engines.
A1Chaining t1_ixsxzyb wrote
90% of their recalls are software updates.
[deleted] t1_ixt8t5o wrote
Uh I’m one in the automotive industry and I wouldn’t touch a Tesla with a ten foot pole.
thebigsad_69420 t1_ixuifz0 wrote
If you're not with Tesla then I'm praying for your job within the next few years brah
[deleted] t1_ixurxbd wrote
Lol, we work with several of them as a contractor but Tesla’s sales are already falling with just the first competitive EVs coming out. That will continue especially as literally every company launches better EVs in the next 5 years.
They don’t have near the quality control or production as other automakers, they try to cut corners until they learn the same lessons everyone else already has.
Have you sat in a Tesla? Interiors are shit bruh.
Badfickle t1_iy27gqo wrote
Are you equally concerned with the recalls of other manufacturers? like Ford's that catch on fire?
Badfickle t1_iy27lg4 wrote
I wish I could drive my business into the ground like Tesla.
Tiggywiggler t1_iy2qi1r wrote
Teslas catch on fire. There is a website dedicated to it. https://www.tesla-fire.com/
Badfickle t1_iy3i19m wrote
>There is an astroturf website dedicated to it. https://www.tesla-fire.com/
FTFY
All cars can catch fire under the right circumstance. I mean come on "Tesla hits tree", "Tesla drives off cliff and catches on fire", "Teslas ignites after being in Hurrricane Ian" Dog bites man.
Fords had to recall 1/2 million vehicles because of an actual manufacturer defect that caused 54 fires, not because they were driven off cliffs.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/24/ford-recalls-nearly-519000-us-vehicles-over-fire-risks.html
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