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jxj24 t1_j9v0psn wrote
The Lice Age.
daisy0723 t1_j9v0rwn wrote
They can also determine when we lost our body hair by studying the differences between head lice, body lice and genital lice. I watched a documentary about it years ago.
pete1901 t1_j9v12i0 wrote
Due to modern pubic hair trends, pubic lice are becoming far less numerous too.
daisy0723 t1_j9v155c wrote
That's wonderful.
disneyvacafacts t1_j9v1hzl wrote
Nice n' precise
Royal-Doggie t1_j9v3edb wrote
and since then it went downhill
SocksOnHands t1_j9v4j6m wrote
I guess when you are studying lice, it's a good time to lose your body hair. Those things are gross. (Wording)
NewCanadianMTurker t1_j9v4yuk wrote
"between 83k and 170k years ago" isn't very specific.
Also, this seems like a question that can be better answered by historians than by scientists.
dmart444 t1_j9v5thl wrote
what do you think "prehistoric" means?
NewCanadianMTurker t1_j9v61n0 wrote
Good point. It would be better to ask a prehistorian. Or maybe even an archeologist.
Niosus t1_j9v7v9m wrote
The data is what it is. If the data only supports a fairly wide range of ages, they can only report it as is. Future research is likely to narrow things down further.
And honestly, I think it's quite a reasonable range. That age range means that we only started wearing clothes after we became modern humans. There are many hundreds of thousands up to a few million years of hominids that came before that. It's not super precise, but it's pretty impressive that they managed to figure it out at all. If you read the abstract, you'll see that previous research only managed to narrow things down to between 40k and 3 million years ago. The new research is about 30x more precise. That puts the significance of this into context, doesn't it?
Finally, if you think science is not important or useful for historians, I'd urge you to look into the methods they use to figure things out. Radiometric dating, genetic sequencing to determine ancestry, anatomy, geology, climate science, plate tectonics, and so many more fields... It all comes together to interpret the tiny nuggets of evidence that still exists, into a bigger picture of what likely happened. Every field provides a fresh perspective on the evidence that can corroborate or refute hypotheses. Without the scientists, we would get so much less information from the artifacts we find.
otternonsense7 t1_j9ve5hg wrote
Reddit is free, why?!
cwood1973 OP t1_j9ve700 wrote
Yeah, and they discovered that pubic lice in humans did not descend from human head lice. They descended from gorilla lice... which raises a whole different set of questions.
seeingeyefrog t1_j9vfkeg wrote
She's a bit hairy, but she's still the gorilla of my dreams.
oxero t1_j9vjsge wrote
Yep, iirc there is a Myth Buster episode that did something like set three types of lice (head hair, body hair, and pubic hair I think) and raced them for science.
Godtiermasturbator t1_j9vlrhb wrote
Won’t someone think of the pubic lice?
OutdatedElements t1_j9vmcju wrote
Silly question, but wouldn’t gorilla’s be far to dangerous and unpredictable to try to breed with?
BrokenEye3 t1_j9vmewu wrote
There are clothing lice?
BrokenEye3 t1_j9vmi7w wrote
Creating the universe was the first mistake
BrokenEye3 t1_j9vmol7 wrote
Read that in Arnold Schwarzenegger's voice
BrotherGreed t1_j9vnfnt wrote
TIL clothing lice is a thing
Stachemaster86 t1_j9volee wrote
Way better than my lousey joke.
TerribleIdea27 t1_j9vr2my wrote
The reason for this wide range is the fact that you can't see in DNA how old it is, you need to combine all different kinds of data and make educated guesses. You can't just say there's x mutations so there's y times x years divergence between these two lines
onometre t1_j9vsqpw wrote
apparently they're on the rise again after a social move towards a more natural look
Real_Jackraps t1_j9vt52c wrote
Your grandma was a nice lady. Don't put that on her.
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humanefly t1_j9vvw90 wrote
I hate that I know this but I think I remember a national geographic article about a "brothel" which included an adolescent, shaved female orangatang somewhere. I feel gross just typing that out
idiotcosmonaut t1_j9vw0b1 wrote
when's the last time you came across a 100K-year-old pair of pants?
humanefly t1_j9vw57y wrote
This god entity is going to have to answer a lot of questions, when we meet
NewCanadianMTurker t1_j9vw7d9 wrote
I'd imagine there would be fossilized evidence somewhere in the world.
OutdatedElements t1_j9vwmx1 wrote
Whoa, like a modern brothel? Yikes imagine the waiver you have sign to go in there.
ffnnhhw t1_j9vxbg5 wrote
you don't have to breed with them
they could've caught that sleeping in their nest
humanefly t1_j9vxx7o wrote
I dunno really. I don't want to know. I think it was probably in a slum somewhere that orangatangs are found in the wild. There was probably no waiver, you just pay your cash and you takes your ugh chances
OutdatedElements t1_j9vy30p wrote
Grim as fuck.
idiotcosmonaut t1_j9w21os wrote
if there is, we haven't found it yet, because very specific conditions have to be met for clothing to survive millennia of decay and many of them are dependent on chance
GiantRobotTRex t1_j9w2l2q wrote
Her name is Pony and she was rescued from the brothel in 2003.
It's easy to look up more details about what she was forced to go through, but I'd rather share a link that instead focuses on her recovery afterward: https://www.orangutan.or.id/update-on-pony
OsamaBinFuckin t1_j9w5n68 wrote
Sounds dumb, I think its much more logical that it started with one cover and then another to protect skin and valuable parts.
BoxingSoup t1_j9w5o4q wrote
You want us to find... Fossilized pants?
NewCanadianMTurker t1_j9w5xs8 wrote
Yes. I'd assume 'pants' back then were made of animal skin and there have been numerous animal skin fossils found around the world.
London-Roma-1980 t1_j9w6tcd wrote
Both of you take your upvotes and get out.
NickeKass t1_j9wb9g3 wrote
My sad understanding from watching the documentary was that she was trained to just get in position and take it if a male approached her :(. That probably means she was beaten a lot to get to that point or taken at a young age.
soumyeah2 t1_j9wby2d wrote
This headline is a bit confusing, is there a better way to make clear that the "because" is linked to scientists believing rather than people wearing clothes?
Fazed-and_Confused t1_j9wcfb7 wrote
Don’t worry, I’ve created a safe, nurturing environment for the noble pubic lice.
I grew an entire jungle, just for them.
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FlacidHangDown t1_j9wdeuo wrote
The woke lice these days with their safe spaces
FlacidHangDown t1_j9wdpmc wrote
Over millions of years of time an estimate of 83k-170k years is pretty specific
lionsdude54 t1_j9wdzzv wrote
This suggestion is ridiculous.
NewCanadianMTurker t1_j9we2uy wrote
"Modern humans originated in Africa within the past 200,000 years"
https://www.yourgenome.org/stories/evolution-of-modern-humans/
True, if it was out of millions of years it would be decently precise, but it seems it was out of 200k.
Captain_Eaglefort t1_j9wennh wrote
Humans hunting chimps for meat, and coming into contact with infected blood.
InkOrganizer t1_j9wesjn wrote
Which side do clothing made of hide and fur belong to I wonder.
President_Calhoun t1_j9wh9kp wrote
"Lice to see you."
dariamorgandorfferr t1_j9wi9ns wrote
If humans collectively decided to be completely bald head to toe for 1 generation all lice would go extinct, and I think that's the only thing that could unite humanity 😂
OutdatedElements t1_j9wk2bj wrote
Fucking yikes. That’s enough hearing that.
Evernight2021 t1_j9wkdgy wrote
It's wild to me that they've found lice that old intact to study
LorenzoStomp t1_j9wktvd wrote
I don't think it would even have to be for that long. Like what's a lice lifespan? A month? Everybody stays shaved for half a year just to be safe and make sure we've tracked down all the stragglers and we're done.
Due_Platypus_3913 t1_j9wlxx8 wrote
So our ancestors survived the first ice age(or two?) with NO CLOTHES?!?Yikes!Now that’s tough!
dariamorgandorfferr t1_j9wn4s1 wrote
I think about this a lot especially with bed bugs. They're an interesting example in ecology because the species of bed bugs we know of .. only parasitizes humans. Unlike mosquitoes, they play 0 role in natural ecosystems, they're fully obligate humanivores. We could fully eradicate bed bugs with no negative consequences to mother nature. Science get on this lol
OrdinaryUniversity59 t1_j9wo10v wrote
Now I'm itchy...
Phoenix916 t1_j9wo51t wrote
Back in your day it was so much easier to find a nice hairy home of your own and raise a pubic lice family.
MasterLapp t1_j9wouov wrote
What was your joke?
Edit: oh shiiit I see it now, I'm way too high, thanks.
ZhouDa t1_j9wp40v wrote
If we were still in Africa at that time it wouldn't have been that difficult, especially if we had more hair/fur than we do now. I think only South Africa had glaciated during the last ice age.
Feine13 t1_j9wp9nh wrote
Louse is the singular noun for lice, it was a pun, and an excellent one at that
MasterLapp t1_j9wq8ka wrote
Oh shiiit I see it now. I'm way too thanks, high.
Elite_Jackalope t1_j9wqiqj wrote
TIL scientists believe people started wearing clothes between 83k and 170k years ago, because that's which is when clothing lice diverged from head lice.
I’m no copy editor, but I do think this reads a little easier.
TheMightyTywin t1_j9wqs04 wrote
We couldn’t even wear masks.. you want the whole world to shave?
Littleshifty03 t1_j9wr32g wrote
I'm at a louse to find another pun so enjoy my upvote as well.
CrazedClown101 t1_j9wreex wrote
We tried but we kept killing the eagles.
Alexis_J_M t1_j9wrpqx wrote
They don't need old lice, they look at existing lice and build out probable family trees, based on things like mutation rates in various parts of louse DNA.
LandlordsR_Parasites t1_j9ws0bf wrote
Do you think lice only attack humans?
Edit: damn
dariamorgandorfferr t1_j9wtmtq wrote
The lice that attack humans, only attack humans, but there are other species that infect other animals. With bed bugs that's not as much of a thing. (Iirc) I'm not a lice expert though entomology wouldn't fit into my class schedule :(
I'm not a parasitologist though lol ianal (Ignore the fact I brought up bed bugs I'm sorry I thought you replied to my other comment for a second)
Minkelz t1_j9wua0c wrote
Why do you think clothes would be limited to modern humans?
Monkzeng t1_j9wuckv wrote
Humanities greatest mistake
IdleAscension t1_j9wunn0 wrote
That’s a head scratcher.
NewCanadianMTurker t1_j9wv0pe wrote
Prior to modern humans was Homo erectus. If by people the scientists were including Homo erectus then they are just flat-out wrong because there has been evidence of them wearing clothing much earlier than 170k years ago.
""Peking Man," a human ancestor who lived in China between roughly 200,000 and 750,000 years ago, was a wood-working, fire-using, spear-hafting hominid who, mysteriously, liked to drill holes into objects for unknown reasons.
And, yes, these hominids, a form of Homo erectus, appear to have been quite meticulous about their clothing, using stone tools to soften and depress animal hides."
https://www.livescience.com/25887-peking-man-hominid-fashion.html
wskyindjar t1_j9wv4de wrote
My genetic line missed the memo
wasit-worthit t1_j9wvdog wrote
They said on their electronic device and from the safety of their warm and well stocked home.
T-TopsInSpace t1_j9wvzdg wrote
That's nit funny at all.
BrashPop t1_j9wvzsz wrote
Now I’m mad thinking about everybody shaving their heads and bodies except like a hundred assholes who just refuse because “It won’t even help, look, I got lice on PURPOSE just to prove how stupid everyone else is!”
PurpleSignificant725 t1_j9ww15l wrote
bloodmonarch t1_j9wwas1 wrote
He who lice with the dogs....
culturedgoat t1_j9wwd10 wrote
And yet they know nothing of why I stopped wearing clothes around 3 years ago…
bloodmonarch t1_j9wwfzc wrote
The eagle killing will continue until bedbugs is extinct.
bloodmonarch t1_j9wwiyn wrote
Of course we know that you are not a lice.
bloodmonarch t1_j9wwnjj wrote
There is only 1 reason why anyone would be caught sleeping in a gorilla nest....
wecomeinpeacedoyou t1_j9wxz46 wrote
I mite upvote this, but I mite not…
IterationFourteen t1_j9wz1qj wrote
100 is extremally optimistic. More likely ~20%.
AcceptableHeight308 t1_j9x02xf wrote
....well TIL there's clothing lice
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Absurdionne t1_j9x20qc wrote
Who gets to shave the stragglers?
PangaeanSunrise t1_j9x22b9 wrote
That’s gonna be a ‘no’ from me, dawg.
AllHailNibbler t1_j9x24we wrote
Loss of habitat does that
Amerlis t1_j9x2kg3 wrote
A lot of people are still very upset about that.
Teknicsrx7 t1_j9x2m7j wrote
I find myself randomly wondering what was the first type of clothing ever made. Was it shoes, hat, pants (leg covering) or shirt (top covering)? I lean towards shoes, but a hat would be so easy so it could be that, but then covering your sensitive areas is obviously key, I wish we know the answer one day somehow.
LipTrev t1_j9x39yl wrote
Humans have as much hair as any other great ape.
>humans are not really hairless at all. Per square centimetre, human skin has as many hair follicles as that of other great apes. The difference is not in the number, but in the fineness of the hair that grows from those follicles.
SheeEttin t1_j9x3dbe wrote
How do you define "modern"?
Swedish-Butt-Whistle t1_j9x3q5u wrote
We discovered fire long before that, so we were fine. It took many generations to lose our body hair as we adapted to being able to create our own heat sources.
ForefathersOneandAll t1_j9x3spk wrote
This blows my mind. Thank you for blowing my high mind.
dibalh t1_j9x4rmk wrote
Is it really a pun when that’s the literal etymology of the word?
doomgiver98 t1_j9x5d2w wrote
That's a large range of dates.
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Designer-Practice220 t1_j9x6ho2 wrote
Who gets the lice in the “divorce”?
motorhead84 t1_j9x7c3q wrote
...it's me... I'm the gorilla-man hybrid!
motorhead84 t1_j9x7hp0 wrote
Not if they're the one's doing the breedin'!
motorhead84 t1_j9x7noq wrote
Yeah these guys are out here fucking orangutans and signing waivers...
They probably donate to their local charities right after
basaltgranite t1_j9x7tk1 wrote
If they're at risk of extinction, will the Endangered Species Act force us to forbid waxing?
dariamorgandorfferr t1_j9x7wax wrote
You got me there, I recant my earlier comment
dariamorgandorfferr t1_j9x7xxt wrote
r/angryupvote
funk-it-all t1_j9x8lao wrote
Like in THX 1138
Alexell t1_j9x8ula wrote
How did they get the cameras in space for interstellar
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Serious_Guy_ t1_j9xboht wrote
Was it clothing lice?
Evan_Fishsticks t1_j9xcg1h wrote
Y'all forgetting about the hundreds of other hairy animals we share a planet with? Not to mention the ones we share our house with?
RiotandRuin t1_j9xcqi1 wrote
Every time I start to have faith in humanity again I hear a story like this. I'm glad she's recovering. I hope the men that put her through that get castrated and fed to the lions.
ItsPhayded420 t1_j9xd2jv wrote
Did/does lice not exist for animals ? Genuine question, I've never thought to ask. I know fleas etc. My point being we would have been wearing animal skin/fur and it seems natural for the lice to migrate to us.
Also, fuck bedbugs dude I'd rather have mosquitos, had one experience and I'm still traumatized I will sleep outside fuck those things
vaguelyambiguous1 t1_j9xdc9u wrote
Took me 170k years to realise that clothing and head lice were different.
ZirePhiinix t1_j9xed01 wrote
Convince them the lice is there to spy on you
SirRuto t1_j9xee4a wrote
I think I recall every animal species having its own species of mite, sometimes multiple, not too sure about lice but I wouldn't be surprised.
Samilski87 t1_j9xee9s wrote
They covered the nipples so people could concentrate.
Alternative-Flan2869 t1_j9xerk8 wrote
Ahhh, the good ole days….
aheadwarp9 t1_j9xfago wrote
TIL there are "clothing lice"
SteamworksMLP t1_j9xfxzh wrote
I'd say a cloak. They're incredibly easy to make and cover most of the body easily.
Silvery-Lithium t1_j9xgd12 wrote
I hate dealing with head lice with a burning passion. I hate body hair as well.
I would not be shaving my head if there were some collective "let's make lice go extinct" thing. Would be more than willing to comb my hair nightly with a lice comb- the only way I successfully dealt with head lice repeatedly as a teen.
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS t1_j9xgijt wrote
You had me at genital lice
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS t1_j9xgmtp wrote
We’re still living in an ice age right now.
Ice Age doesn’t mean eternal winter, it just means the earth’s temperatures have dropped below average for a long period of time, allowing for glacial sheets to form. A difference of 4 degrees C can be an iced age.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-coldest-earths-ever-been
TourismAustralia t1_j9xgns8 wrote
The finish line was Jamie’s moustache.
iamwizzerd t1_j9xh6nm wrote
Wait really?
TheOftenNakedJason t1_j9xhoie wrote
Hahaha I love this comment. I want it embroidered in a pillow with a minimalist picture of a guy with a beard.
bodhiseppuku t1_j9xib9b wrote
Head lice... Crotch lice... Clothing lice?
Good time to be a louse .
bodhiseppuku t1_j9xig5i wrote
Lice Age III: Crabs on Mammoths
bloodmonarch t1_j9xiigq wrote
what are you waiting for then? the eagles aren't going to kill themselves, you know.
Logical-Name-7607 t1_j9xjb1b wrote
You’re my hero and I hate you
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TheMusketDood t1_j9xk2ny wrote
Well the Chiefs already did that so we should be good now.
parkerposy t1_j9xk6dp wrote
As that is when. Could work as well
probably-theasshole t1_j9xkna6 wrote
If looking at our closest relatives it's a hat or umbrella. Which makes sense we had to know how to make some sort of shelter and a hat is just a very small roofed shelter ye put on your head.
Head_Asparagus_7703 t1_j9xkrxz wrote
Well it wouldn't be his head.
JessieGentry t1_j9xl9dj wrote
“Lice aren’t real!”
_corleone_x t1_j9xlak8 wrote
TIL that's what Ice Age means
doyer t1_j9xlmd5 wrote
The ones that affect humans are human specific. Some may end up having some trait that allows them to survive on other animals or vice versa but I wouldn't know about that.
IncorporateThings t1_j9xlwv9 wrote
A dark day, all those years ago... smh.
VentureQuotes t1_j9xm04s wrote
Conservatives would grow more hair because they live to vice signal. Lice signaling is vice signaling
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LotusBlooms t1_j9xofyl wrote
I feel like this would be relevant to Dave Chappelle’s interests!
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Edge_of_the_Wall t1_j9xpv6c wrote
As u/terribleidea27 mentioned, the reason for this wide range is the fact that you can’t see in DNA how old it is, you need to combine all different kinds of data and make educated guesses. You can’t just say there’s x mutations so there’s y times x years divergence between these two lines.
p-d-ball t1_j9xqo6d wrote
You're correct.
p-d-ball t1_j9xqvt0 wrote
Yeah, DDT was widely used to kill insects. It successfully got rid of malaria in the continental USA to Canada (malaria used to be all the way up to southern Canada), combined with draining swamps, pavement and sewer systems (to drain water away). Mosquitoes returned, but not with malaria, which requires a minimum population to spread.
DDT was also used to stop bedbugs. They are making a comeback partly because it was stopped, but probably also because of growing social inequality - extremely poor people just don't have the means to kill them where they live. And some people are immune to the itchiness and so aren't motivated enough to kill the bedbugs feeding off them.
DDT, it turns out, weakens bird's eggs. So, raptors were dying out all over the place.
laprawnicon t1_j9xr18l wrote
Thats not right either, the only requirement is the existence of polar ice caps, or significant glaciation and ice sheets. Similar but not the same
Exoddity t1_j9xrcwl wrote
There are lice that have their own lice and fleas that have their own fleas.
iamwizzerd t1_j9xs98v wrote
Wow thanks
Naamibro t1_j9xsj3q wrote
Public lice live inside the hair follicule, so unlike head lice, if you shave your pubes it does not eradicate the lice.
darcys_beard t1_j9xtnle wrote
You go first. I'm right behind you.
PuddingSlime t1_j9xtvur wrote
gd I hate that you are right about this
p-d-ball t1_j9xupj9 wrote
For sure! Want to hear the crazy part? We used to use a product made from chrysanthemum, which is a flower, to kill insects. Massive industry, made in Japan. That industry collapsed with WWII and never recovered, partly because DDT was so cheap.
That kind of sucks, as the flower was obviously natural.
Formal-Rain t1_j9xvypn wrote
There are bed bugs so why not clothing lice.
iamwizzerd t1_j9xwu73 wrote
Dang this is just a whole rabbit hole isn't it?
NullDivision t1_j9xwz1x wrote
They're like mini government tracker balls on a mocap suit to follow your EVERY ^MOOVVEEEE!!!
SkriVanTek t1_j9xx2zi wrote
iirc ice age is a period with ice covered poles
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slightly2spooked t1_j9y115v wrote
IIRC the oldest piece of clothing that we’ve found is a sock. Don’t quote me though.
Edit: I was wrong! The sock is 1,700 years old, the oldest item ever found is a linen dress made 5,000 years ago.
p-d-ball t1_j9y4sku wrote
CAPITALISM KILLS EVERYTHING
^(I'm joking for the sensitive bankers out there.)
goodtimesforachange6 t1_j9y5h7v wrote
I totally read that wrong and thought you meant some people not shaving their assholes
ProbablyGayingOnYou t1_j9y5qvq wrote
The parties in 169,000 B.C. were wild, though
Amorougen t1_j9y8m4l wrote
You still get that chemical in pesticides.
p-d-ball t1_j9ybfse wrote
That's great!
goinmobile2030 t1_j9yceh9 wrote
Also, the approximate dare of birth for Tommy Hilfiger.
Inevitable_Cicada_87 t1_j9yebx7 wrote
notsurewhattosay-- t1_j9yeffz wrote
But my freedom!! /S
notsurewhattosay-- t1_j9yehm3 wrote
You are right too
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sadnessnmusic t1_j9yudg2 wrote
I know i was born in the wrong generation. Our cavemen ancestors were piping monkeys and gorillas shit must've been so crazy then. Just imagine them right gorilla cheeks bro..
dyne19862004 t1_j9yw1uc wrote
Muh freedumbs!!
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calculushater665 t1_j9z1778 wrote
Damn that's interesting
PermanentTrainDamage t1_j9z3uxm wrote
The circle of lice
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Zedo1989 t1_j9zgwzx wrote
The first person on earth was conscious, intelligent and educated, and the first person to wear clothes.
Fark_ID t1_j9zhnja wrote
Wouldn't that 20% then inherit 100% of the lice, thusly eliminating them?
Harvin t1_j9zjcqd wrote
It's been widely regarded as a bad move.
R4G t1_j9zr7vh wrote
Do you happen to be reading The Social Leap by Bill von Hippel?
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intergalactic_spork t1_j9zwlsh wrote
We need to institute protected habitats for genital lice to save them from extinction!
Feine13 t1_ja04ehj wrote
Yes, because if their joke was of poor quality, it would be "lousy". Add the E between the S and Y and now it's a play on words
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spennym t1_ja1g3dr wrote
Do we have the right to choose which animals get to exist and what will disappear? I’d hope someone would play Noah’s ark to save the world’s population of cooties.
schweitzerdude t1_ja1ygp0 wrote
But what would 2nd grade children do without cooties?
Sure_Monk8528 t1_ja3z8no wrote
Don't forget to pluck all of your eyebrows to take care of those mites too!
aheadwarp9 t1_ja56gsf wrote
I didn't realize the two were related.
Formal-Rain t1_ja5gw6d wrote
I think both evolved in environments humans created.
KingGorilla t1_ja9cdar wrote
/r/licearentreal
greenappletree t1_j9uzx3b wrote
TIL there is a difference in lice, yikes. But wow that is a loooong time