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t1_j8r7zzu wrote

Some of those that work forces

Are the same that burn crosses

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t1_j8rl3c0 wrote

no one will make me believe he's the only one

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t1_j8t7op1 wrote

Well, he wasn’t placed on leave until Feb ‘22, so there likely a whole lot of complicit cops still there, even if he was the only one dumb enough to get caught texting Tarrio.

> Tarrio asked Lamond what the police department’s “general consensus” was about the Proud Boys. “That’s too complicated for a text answer,” Lamond replied. “That’s an in-person conversation over a beer.”

I feel bad for this guys lawyer who has to spin “let’s have a beer” into “my client in no way supports the hateful and divisive agenda of any of the various groups that came to DC to protest…”

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t1_j8up57k wrote

He isn't the only one. There's video of MPD officers fistbumping Proud Boys, and looking the other way/doing nothing while Proud Boys were assaulting random people in the streets of DC, there was the incident of MPD officers heckling Fanone at the Congressional Awards ceremony where they recognized the defenders and the injured police officers.

MPD has a problem, I do not at all think Lamond was the only one, they need to do some serious house cleaning.

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t1_j8rlg0k wrote

That motherfucker needs to be in jail right fucking now

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t1_j8rj79r wrote

This is not surprising. They are on the same team. Teammates always help teammates.

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t1_j8sgb1h wrote

Please tell that to every classmate working on a group project with me ever.

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t1_j8s45nj wrote

I remember 6 years ago seeing a black sedan frequently parked outside MPD headquarters with Punisher stickers, Celtic rune, some other Norse rune, Blue line stickers on it. He also had the ‘I’m a Cop, don’t ticket me’ official bullshit sign on the dash. I was thinking ‘This motherfucker is out here in front of the headquarters just saying it!’

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t1_j8sgj4v wrote

Unironically showing off the punisher skull is the littlest dick energy there is.

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t1_j8ucvpj wrote

Disney needs to bite the bullet and make Punisher a gay character. make his icon the exact opposite of the toxic masculinity that its fans love a little too much.

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t1_j8rqp4w wrote

Reminder that several people on this sub thought it was good actually that the PB had MPD on speed dial when the first details of this collaboration broke.

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t1_j8s48lq wrote

Something about this subreddit makes everyone become total bootlickers when it comes to cops. I remember when it was revealed cops shot someone they mistook for a suspect, and the general consensus was “everyone makes mistakes.”

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t1_j8s500l wrote

> Something about this subreddit makes everyone become total bootlickers when it comes to cops.

There's a lot of idiots here with a lot of privilege and money. It's the DC area.

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t1_j8s56m7 wrote

Yeah, but on other topics, DC is very progressive and open-minded. But with cops, any type of criticism or questioning is met with downvotes and bad faith arguments

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t1_j8s6450 wrote

Because the people with downvotes and bad faith arguments only care about the cop shit. Everything else they can stay quiet about and vote.

That's not true, they're also very vocal about homeless people whenever it comes up.

EDIT: They found the post.

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t1_j8sb0xy wrote

Yeah, cops and homeless people make them lose their minds

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t1_j8stj76 wrote

If there's one thing consistent about practically every single regional subreddit, it's this.

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t1_j8shr43 wrote

It's funny to me because I agree with you on the subreddits behavior, but almost every person I know in DC is not actually like that.

The cops are so incompetent that even the property owners don't like them.

It's just an online thing.

I'd guess it's just because it's a place where they can mute the ridicule and still feel right when they fall asleep in Dad's apartment.

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t1_j8sm0sx wrote

See, what frustrates me is that they see cops are incompetent, but if the police budget decreases, they go insane.

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t1_j8stylt wrote

And let's face it, there's a lot of rural bigots moving to DC the last few years too. Hell just yesterday I saw a fellow on Subredditdrama saying some racist shit and when I checked his post history it was mostly PoliticalCompassMemes, NOVA and this sub. Talks about how the 'confederacy did nothing wrong' and how they used to live in a rural area and how 'feminism ruined everything' when posting on PCM but in this sub he's very 'non-controversial' 'law and order' (wink wink) and gets the upvotes for that.

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t1_j8tkrr6 wrote

There's a very good chance they don't even live around DC. A lot of people brigade city subreddits, and DC is like, one of the most liberal bastions in the country so that goes doubly here.

(Case in point, they don't like being called out and I am now negative)

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t1_j8s5go3 wrote

It vacillates wildly.

I made comments in the thread on the cop convicted of killing Karon Hylton-Brown saying that statements made by cops about the people they shoot should not be taken as fact that was well received, but when I said essentially the same thing about MPD shooting someone this week, it was downvoted into oblivion.

I think people just really have a hard time maintaining a coherent understanding of what policing is, because it's so much easier to believe the comforting lie that is hammered into our brains about it.

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t1_j8s5lum wrote

Yeah, it’s difficult to be told that cops are there to protect and serve and the reality is, in the nicest words possible, no they are not!!!

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t1_j8snber wrote

> Something about this subreddit

Two things are at work. First is that DC is probably the closet thing we have to a sub about the federal government, so it attracts many people from elsewhere who use it as a stand in. Second, certain subjects are heavily influenced/astroturfed across reddit. I am a member of a few subs that rarely get posts with 20+ comments, let alone hundreds of comments. That is, unless certain keywords pop up in the title and then look out.

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t1_j8snko9 wrote

Seems weird that people use a subreddit about DC to get insight on the federal government. Aren’t there better subreddits than just this one, where it’s more about the people who live in DC separate from Congress

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t1_j8snzw4 wrote

> to get insight

They don't come here for the insights. A lot of subs dedicated to major cities have this same problem. There is probably an element of the urban hate that runs through a lot of conservative talking points at work.

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t1_j8y0z5w wrote

americans, and reddit mouthbreathers specifically have never been able to separate:

Washington DC - the great city to live in

and

Washington DC - THE SWAMP

so this sub gets a lot of topical discussion from incel dipshits that live in their parents' idaho basements

i remember guys arguing with me about like, seth rich's route home who very obviously have never visited the east coast of the united states much less DC specifically

hell we had multiple fake news influence campaigns in this sub during the BLM protests - anyone remember the day that all these fake accounts were pouring in to say that the federal government shut off internet / cell data downtown one night?

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t1_j8sstqs wrote

I'm sure brigadiers factor into it, but a less comfortable truth is that there's a lot of internalized racism and class discrimination among the young white professionals who live in DC and frequent this subreddit - and discussions about police and homelessness tends to draw those attitudes out.

Unlearning internalized racism and class discrimination takes work - and there's no guarantee that people in this subreddit have done that work just because they live in D.C. or vote for progressive Democrats.

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t1_j8so9vp wrote

> “everyone makes mistakes.”

Everyone does make mistakes. People aren't angry because cops make mistakes, even when those mistakes get innocent people killed.

People are angry because there are no consequences for those mistakes. If I make a mistake that gets someone killed, no matter how innocent and understandable that mistake is, my license gets yanked, I am unhirable, and I work at Subway for minimum wage for the rest of my life. If a cop does it nothing happens.

Similarly people aren't mad that there are corrupt cops, incompetent cops, malicious bad faith bully bastard cops. It is impossible to filter those out at the hiring process 100% of the time.

People are angry because those cops are protected instead of fired and or prosecuted.

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t1_j8soijf wrote

I agree, but that was not what the commenters were saying on that post. They were using it as a defense, a justification for cops shooting an innocent person based on mistake identity

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t1_j8sp1yn wrote

Right. What I mean is that even "everyone makes mistakes" is not a good excuse. Even if we take the bootlickers at face value it's still not good enough.

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t1_j8sp52v wrote

Do they ever have good points?

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t1_j8sq4zf wrote

I would be hard pressed to come up with a reasonable argument to defend extra judicial killing of people.

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t1_j8sqght wrote

Selfishness

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t1_j8syv3e wrote

I love it when small government don't tread on me libertarians defend the cops.

Any regulations on me or railroad companies transporting WW1 era WMDs is tyranny and oppression. Gunning down "those people" is law and order.

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t1_j8tkeeb wrote

Not just cops - crimeposting in general attracts the most smoothbrained, vengeful takes here.

It's actually pretty common in a lot of city subreddits and I always wonder how much of it is just brigading (which is absolutely something the right loves to do) and how much is NIMBYism.

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t1_j8tmrfz wrote

I mean... True... Most people make mistakes. It's just most mistakes don't result in an innocent person being fucking shot 🤦🏽‍♂️

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t1_j8t276x wrote

It’s Babby’s First City for people from around the country, many of whom are here for work and otherwise would not have ever moved out of the creche. Some of them can’t handle it at all and basically go full Rahowa immediately, if they weren’t already on that path.

All of them are redditors.

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t1_j8s266c wrote

Maury povich voice:

Your top comment said that it sounds like they were just talking about the event permitting process

The tests have determined that was a lie

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t1_j8rnovp wrote

Lock the oathbreaker up and throw way the key. We're through being lenient with traitors.

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t1_j8rogws wrote

Too bad he can’t be charged with espionage or materially supporting terrorism.

In most countries if a policeman tipped off a terrorist group to so much as a free coffee refill at 7-Eleven, they’d be charged with a capital offense.

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t1_j8u6v3q wrote

The real reason nothing will come of it is that the FBI has the Proud Boys full of informants already. The leader of the Proud boys was himself an FBI informant.

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t1_j8rob8c wrote

This is truly, absolutely…unsurprising.

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t1_j8ra70m wrote

Im sure he does the same with the blm organizers too.

/s

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t1_j8rrr8x wrote

This is my "shocked" face 😐

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t1_j8rqvt3 wrote

I'm sure it was more than just one.

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t1_j8rsz21 wrote

Cops and Klan go hand in hand

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t1_j8r7qzi wrote

Is there more info besides this article?

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t1_j8r87md wrote

Take your pick:

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t1_j8ri4py wrote

Thanks. That CNN article had a lot more info. The AP one was very sparse. I’ll check the others as well. This can serve as a great resource to point to regarding far right infiltration into forces.

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t1_j8rl8e6 wrote

the right can't infiltrate something built to enforce white supremacy. It's been theirs from the start

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t1_j8rmuao wrote

That's a cool and edgy comment, but also historical revisionism. White supremacist groups did make a concerted effort to take over police forces, under Bush Jr. Part of the reason why the report was ignored was that they were radicalizing Iraq veterans as well, and that perceived smear against veterans during the 00s made it toxic to anyone's career to bring up.

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t1_j8rnx6s wrote

Modern American policing started with slave patrols.

It isn’t “edgy” to say that white supremacy was baked in from the start.

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t1_j8rpnbm wrote

The article you linked says it's a mixed history, that in the north it started as a copy of english patrols and in the south it started as slave patrols. You're just ignoring one to elevate the other, exactly what you're accusing me of doing.

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t1_j8s2jq6 wrote

We’re located in the South my guy. Alexandria was one of the leading slave-trading ports in America.

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t1_j8s31be wrote

The article also addresses the evolution of slave patrols to modern police departments in only one sentence: "After the Civil War ended, the slave patrols developed into southern police departments." It doesn't say anything about how this happened or what the actual connection is between the two beyond that. It instead goes on to talk about the various racist laws that were passed in the south following the civil war, and how the police departments participated in them. Which doesn't actually address the thesis that these departments evolved specifically from groups specifically dedicated to the enforcement of slavery.

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t1_j8talty wrote

https://naacp.org/find-resources/history-explained/origins-modern-day-policing
"Slave Patrols continued until the end of the Civil War and the passage of the 13th Amendment. Following the Civil War, during Reconstruction, slave patrols were replaced by militia-style groups who were empowered to control and deny access to equal rights to freed slaves. They relentlessly and systematically enforced Black Codes, strict local and state laws that regulated and restricted access to labor, wages, voting rights, and general freedoms for formerly enslaved people.
In 1868, ratification of the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution technically granted equal protections to African Americans — essentially abolishing Black Codes. Jim Crow laws and state and local statutes that legalized racial segregation swiftly took their place.
By the 1900s, local municipalities began to establish police departments to enforce local laws in the East and Midwest, including Jim Crow laws. Local municipalities leaned on police to enforce and exert excessive brutality on African Americans who violated any Jim Crow law. Jim Crow Laws continued through the end of the 1960s."

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t1_j8tbcjw wrote

So I guess according to you, the same men that participating in the slave patrols, who saw it as their right to control and keep blacks in line just gave up their mission and retired once the 13th and 14th amendments were passed?
Then comes along the concept of police forces in these exact same areas giving police officers the exact same authority that the slave patrols had, specifically with regards to cracking down on Jim Crow laws. These police had free reign to terrorize, beat and kill blacks legally, and....the slave patrolmen weren't interested?

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t1_j8tgd2e wrote

I'm saying that there existed a generalized law enforcement in both colonial and post colonial United States. A sheriff, or constables, or marshals, or a citizen based night watch. I'm not sure why the existence of groups dedicated to the enforcement of slavery has more of an importance to the history of law enforcement in the US than the actual law enforcement apparatus in place at the time. I'm also not saying that people who were part of slave patrols couldn't have turned into municipal police as they were formed. Neither am I saying that municipal police didn't enforce racist laws.

The statement that "Policing in the United States came from Slave Patrols" is saying that the origination of the enforcement of law in this country came directly from a desire to enforce slavery. The fact that racist laws and policies exist doesn't lead to the conclusion that these departments were created for the purpose of enforcing those laws specifically. It's more that the departments were complicit along with other aspects of government in the oppression. Which isn't the same thing.

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t1_j8tlljl wrote

I think where you're tripping up as that the statement should be "modern day policing in the US" developed as a response to Jim Crow laws. Focusing on the fact that the idea of policing existed before and in other countries is missing the point, possibly deliberately. It's also ignoring the fact that there are aspects to the US law enforcement and judicial system that are very unique to this country. That is because slavery/racism is woven into the fabric. It's not just something that kind of happened along side it.

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t1_j8sc7jt wrote

Your link literally says that it started in cities like Boston modeled on English law enforcement at the time, and notes the scenario you’re referring to occurred in the south.

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t1_j8rnert wrote

Many police departments literally started as slave patrols. Police have never had a purpose other than enforcing white supremacy. I wasn't trying to be edgy, I was accurately describing policing in the US.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/13/876628302/the-history-of-policing-and-race-in-the-u-s-are-deeply-intertwined

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t1_j8ro1sf wrote

Calls it historical revisionism but clearly doesn't know the actual history smh.

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t1_j8s83ep wrote

> Police have never had a purpose other than enforcing white supremacy.

Well, they also have an origin in strike breakers too.

Their purpose has always been enforcing white supremacy and keeping the working class in their place more broadly.

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t1_j8rp8ua wrote

Many informal police departments in slave states started as police patrols. But you contradict the logic of your source when you say, "Police have *never* have a purpose other than enforcing white supremacy." When your article mentions that the first fully funded full-time police force was founded in Boston half a century after slavery was abolished there. What you're doing is revising history to make it quippier.

Edit: you're also revising history in arguing that there was no infiltration of the police in the Bush Jr administration because your version where they're already infiltrated is quippier.

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t1_j8rqso6 wrote

Boston has been known as one of the most racist cities in the North East, at least. White supremacy does not begin and end with slavery.

Loud white supremacists infiltrated the police department. They were already built on it. here's another article that highlights that: https://sites.uab.edu/humanrights/2021/12/08/the-history-of-policing-in-the-us-and-its-impact-on-americans-today/

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t1_j8rrb36 wrote

Now you're moving the goalposts. You started saying that the white can't infiltrate police departments, and now you're saying they did. Fuck off, this conversation isn't worth having.

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t1_j8rrv06 wrote

you've also ignored an additional source that backs up the "they can't be infiltrated since they were already white supremacists" claim

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t1_j8rrjs3 wrote

why are you hung up on me using language that is trying to meet you where you are. me saying that was because you got so up in arms about me saying they couldn't be infiltrated. I still maintain they can't. The fear was that more people would catch on if they were too explicit about it

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t1_j8sce0f wrote

This person isn’t arguing in good faith. Name any city you like and they’d claim it was the most racist in America.

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t1_j8s2cev wrote

Don’t worry, we will paint another street and that will magically continue rEfOrMiNg MPD I’m sure.

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t1_j8sofpt wrote

Remember that Officer Mike Fanone was run out of the MPD because he spoke out against the rioters who almost killed him, as well as the people who enabled the rioters. This guy Lamond is far from the only fan of the Proud Boys in those offices.

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t1_j8srqky wrote

Shane Lamond is a disgrace to MPD and all of DC. Fire his ass and get him off DC payroll. Claw back salary during suspension. Prosecute. WTF

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t1_j8rwi23 wrote

To protect and serve (information to hair culture extremists)

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t1_j8tfq7s wrote

Didn't congress just finish a big investigation into January 6th? Yet this comes out in a trial in Portland Oregon.

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t1_j8rqos8 wrote

I struggle to believe this because it means MPD are doing anything, such as getting information to feed to terrorists

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t1_j8rb2bv wrote

And our fearless mayor wants to become Biden’s running mate in 2024

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t1_j8rd5cj wrote

Please tell me that’s not true. This city is falling apart and she’s nowhere to be found.

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t1_j8rj9c5 wrote

The city is not falling apart lmao

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t1_j8scii7 wrote

Seriously, we have some problems (which, everyone everywhere all the time has problems of one type or another) but in the grand scheme of things people living in DC have it better than most Americans and objectively like 99% of the rest of the world.

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t1_j8rkug5 wrote

Y’all are crazy if you can’t see it. I’m born & raised in dc, and was here in the 90s when shit was BAD. This city is on its way back in that direction. Or do you consider daily carjackings and murders to be A-Ok?

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t1_j8rmy2l wrote

Been here for 30 plus years myself. The city is not “falling apart” esp in comparison to other US cities

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t1_j8rok47 wrote

If you're paying attention you would notice that the same rise in crime is happening across the country. I'm pretty sure it's pandemic related but this country doesn't invest enough into mental health research to really dig into that.

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t1_j8scpjn wrote

The fact that increases in crime are occurring elsewhere by no means requires that we tolerate them here.

There are homeless in other cities, should we abandon all efforts to address the problem in DC?

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t1_j8sfxt7 wrote

Where in my statement did you see me suggest we tolerate it?

My point is that the city is not falling apart and the crime issue is something that if we actually want to address it, versus just looking tough on crime and kicking the can down the road, we need to recognize that there are some commonalities across this country and we should try and start there. But there's very little motivation for that.

From what I see, most of the people complaining just want elected leaders to "look" like they're doing something. They are totally fine with crime existing as long as it's not in front of their doorstep.

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t1_j8socph wrote

Really? Haven’t noticed it in NoVA or MD

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t1_j8sz87c wrote

Ahh that solves it. I was waiting to see if you noticed it random person. Must be made up.

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t1_j8u27ej wrote

Fairfax has 1.14 million residents DC has just over 670,000

Fairfax had 20 homicides in 2022 DC had 203 homicides

Fairfax also had 20 homicides in 2021 DC had 226

Fairfax had 15 homicides in 2020 DC had 198

Fairfax had 14 homicides in 2019 DC had 166

Look it up…

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t1_j8spqxc wrote

DC crime stats 1992-2022:

Category 1992 2002 2012 2017 2022
Homicide 443 262 88 116 201
Sex Abuse 215 262 263 295 158
Assault w/ a dangerous weapon 8,568 4,854 2,356 1,859 1,383
Robbery 7,459 3,731 4,262 2,179 2,064
Violent Crime (total) 16,685 9,109 6,969 4,449 3,806
Burglary 10,721 5,167 3,694 1,530 1,042
Motor Vehicle Theft 9,118 9,168 2,863 2,416 3,730
Theft * 30,663 20,903 21,960 24,800 18,556
Arson ? 109 36 5 4
Property Crime (total) 50,502 35,347 28,553 28,751 23,332
All Crime (total) 67,187 44,456 35,522 33,200 27,138

* Theft / Larceny was reported under a single category until the mid 00's, but two separate categories in later years (Theft from Motor Vehicle and Theft (Other)). I've combined the two categories here for direct comparison between the reports.

Data for other years is available here:

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t1_j8rhlou wrote

How is it falling apart?

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t1_j8rnluu wrote

its not. shit seems to have peaked last summer/fall. things are slowly (too slowly, but still) getting cleaned up. now inner downtown is a bit dead since WFH is a thing, but most other things, including crime, are trending in the right direction.

the one exception seems to be bad driving with fake plates.

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t1_j8rll3i wrote

nah, where the city is getting worse (and it's not falling apart), her policies are the problem

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t1_j8sk2by wrote

> her policies are the problem

Let's not let the Council off the hook either, though.

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