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postsshortcomments t1_j1y7xvq wrote

Now they're at the 'taking it out on their spouse because they lost the mortgage payment on blackjack' stage.

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govi96 t1_j1yjhjz wrote

wtf is lgbtq+ museum?

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Neil2250 t1_j1ykpru wrote

Replying to govi96 (#1,112,042)

general history of how it's evolved publicly, decriminalization and celebrations spurred from that (if applicable), public openness, milestones in media, etc. I assume, anyway.

Similar to suffragette-focused museums in terms of topic areas i reckon.

Edit: It's more constructive to downvote unhelpful answers and upvote the original question to help spread awareness of helpful answers, but whatever.

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ChrisTchaik t1_j1yn21h wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,111,448)

You're building your entire argument around gay marriage when this isn't even about gay marriage. The last time a Western country had a similar law was in the 60s/70s/80s. Bear in mind that the same law has been extended to include adults, which is unheard of in the Western world.

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Sbeast t1_j1yo4al wrote

So aside from invading their neighbour, and committing 50,000 alleged war crimes, they're also persecuting LGBT people in Russia itself.

If only it were possible to just say or do something that made people come to their senses, and become far better people, but I guess it doesn't always work like that.

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ZhouDa t1_j1ypjhe wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,111,448)

Russia is some two hundred years behind when it comes to freedom of speech. This isn't solely about gay rights, but also the fact that discussing the subject gets you thrown in jail.

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WikiSummarizerBot t1_j1yuofq wrote

Replying to TRIBETWELVE (#1,113,614)

Institut für Sexualwissenschaft

>The Institut für Sexualwissenschaft was an early private sexology research institute in Germany from 1919 to 1933. The name is variously translated as Institute of Sex Research, Institute of Sexology, Institute for Sexology or Institute for the Science of Sexuality. The Institute was a non-profit foundation situated in Tiergarten, Berlin. It was the first sexology research center in the world.

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Krivvan t1_j1ywfh0 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,113,769)

I'm assuming you're trying to refer to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Odesa_clashes

Where violent clashes resulted in both sides of a protest throwing molotovs at each other, with at least one starting a fire.

Wording it the way you did makes it sound like a group just rounded some innocent people up into a building and set it on fire and leaves out the very contextually important violent clashes.

>This rally was later attacked by an anti-Maidan mob of 300 from the group Odesskaya Druzhina armed with bats and firearms at Hretska Street.

>Following the attack on the pro-Maidan rally, numerous fights broke out. Both sides fought running battles against one other, exchanging stones and petrol bombs, and built barricades throughout the city during the afternoon.

>According to OHCHR both sides had various kinds of helmets, masks, shields, axes, wooden or metal sticks, and firearms. According to OmTV there were mostly air pistols and the first actual firearms use was by Antimaidan activist Vitaly Budko ("Botsman") who opened fire with an AK-74 rifle using 5.45 bullets.

>While defending the building, militants on the roof tossed rocks and petrol bombs at the protesters below. BBC News said that the situation was unclear, with multiple sources indicating that both sides had been throwing petrol bombs at each other.

Calling it "a house" makes me think you literally didn't even know the first thing about this incident and just heard the name "Trade Union House fire."

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die_a_third_death t1_j1ywv7z wrote

Replying to Glass_Cat_666 (#1,113,939)

>Your country only recently invented LGBTQ rights

Is the 70s considered recent in your dictionary? Also if you think the LGBT rights movement simply ends with the legalization of same-sex marriage then you're pretty ignorant.

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goodplayer111 t1_j1yxvtg wrote

Replying to Krivvan (#1,113,910)

Yeah. Point is, what russia says that there is a big nazi problem in ukraine is true. But no one cares that russians in ukraine are being harrased because ukraine is at war with russia and "russians are always the bad guys"

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Krivvan t1_j1yyiey wrote

Replying to goodplayer111 (#1,114,164)

You just pivoted from "evil Ukrainians are executing Russians" to "Russians are being harassed."

But even if we pretend and take you at your word 100%, does that somehow justify an invasion, attempted annexation of territory, and persecution of LGBT people within Russia? That's on the same level as "Russians are being harassed?" An invasion of a country with a native Russian-speaking President that opposed the very language laws you'll say are the source of the harassment? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-parliament-language-idUSKCN1S111N

Do you support the invasion of any country with ultranationalists in it? Because I can name a few.

Hey, LGBT people are being harassed in Russia. Does that give everyone the clear to invade Russia and seize territory?

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P00TiZ t1_j1yyyb4 wrote

Replying to goodplayer111 (#1,114,164)

Russians in Ukraine are only harassed when they openly support invasion. Literally no one gives a fuck if you are russian and love putin as long as you keep your mouth shut. And yes, russians ARE bad guys, you act just like nazi Germany, what did you expect?

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burgermiester288 t1_j1z0hur wrote

Replying to goodplayer111 (#1,114,164)

No there isn't. For f""ks sake thier prez is Jewish. No one's harassing ethnic Russians, that's Russia propaganda (and it's really a recycled version of the propaganda Nazis used to justify invading Poland. I'm queer and the Russians are the bad guys here

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burgermiester288 t1_j1z0wmm wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,111,448)

It's not new and never has been, you dips""t. We queer folks have always existed. They won't come around, they've repeatedly proven this, they are actively getting worse and okay chechnyian "work" camps that queer men are murdered in. You are just a troll, how many rubles do you get paid per comment?

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Thue t1_j1z6kok wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,114,537)

The NAZI stab in the back propaganda against Jews contained arguments like Jews controlling society etc.. Russia will almost certainly make their own stab-in-the-back retcon if they lose, to avoid the blame going to leaders like Putin. Highly placed Jews are absolutely not safe, in fact they will make excellent scapegoats, and Jewish oligarch wealth will be free money when confiscated.

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AllahAndJesusGaySex t1_j1zaf2y wrote

I think the real news here is that Russia had an LGBTQ+ museum at all.

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heathers1 t1_j1zcu7y wrote

It’s so weird how 34 percent od Republicans feel exactly the way Putin does on similar issues. Hmm wonder how that happened?

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Glass_Cat_666 t1_j1zja6y wrote

Replying to NoelBlack14 (#1,115,141)

Using German powerwords doesn't make you tough.

try again.

And how exactly am I defending Nazi's? Why are people making shit up? Does it make you feel better to just claim things I never said?

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User24602 t1_j1zjdco wrote

Replying to Defiant__Idea (#1,113,040)

I see weird takes like this enough that I think these guys are either bored Republicans looking for fights or Russian agents looking for a disinformation messaging angle that works. I'm sure it's a mix of both.

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Glass_Cat_666 t1_j1zjm2m wrote

Replying to burgermiester288 (#1,114,804)

You should try to find "open minded" people in any remote area where the only information source is some guy on TV.

Most Russians have no idea what's going on. They just get the news that Russia is at war with Ukraine.

There's no why and how. And they can't fact check anything.

Maybe just watch older videos of Bald and Bankrupt to see what real Russia is like, and how isolated they are.

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Glass_Cat_666 t1_j1zjzi4 wrote

Replying to burgermiester288 (#1,114,735)

I haven't run into a single cop in my life that is a bad cop.
Try again bigot.

Free speech and freedom to be gay are very VERY closely related.
Russia doesn't allow either of them.

They should, but they don't. Not yet anyway

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Spyt1me t1_j1zk2fx wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,111,448)

>People should really get off their high horse on LGBTQ rights.It's all new for most countries. And Russia is just walking behind. They'll come around eventually.

Can you tell this in person to a Russian queer who fled their country because of queerphobia? Because i dont think you have the guts to do so.

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Glass_Cat_666 t1_j1zkwpv wrote

Replying to Spyt1me (#1,118,452)

I literally said that you need to stop acting all mighty and that Russia will come around getting basic human rights in order eventually.

I'm literally against how Russia treats people, and still you somehow fabricate that I love how it's in Russia right now. You are delusional.

And now you say I wouldn't dare to tell a asylum seeker from Russia that it will be alright in due time and that everything will be fine?

You have no idea how the real world works huh?

Or you simply think that Russian LGBTQ people are just aggressive mindless beasts without the capability top listen such as yourself.

Because that's actually what you said.

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Glass_Cat_666 t1_j1zlbqy wrote

Replying to burgermiester288 (#1,118,410)

Yeah religion is a 2000 year old backwards ideology that has been altered countless of times to appease the church.

Correct, now try and change people into believing that their entire life is a lie and that it's all wrong.

That's going to be difficult.

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Spyt1me t1_j1zmoj4 wrote

Replying to Glass_Cat_666 (#1,118,600)

Acting all high and mighty is when we demand basic human rights and equal treatment lmao

You sure talk from a place of privilege where you never had experienced the full might of the state aggressively attacking you and trying to create a deadly culture against you, and never were relentlessly shamed and bullied and forced into hiding.

Shut the fuck up, you are the one talking high and mighty from his high tower made of privilege.

E.: This mf just blocked me because he got offended at me saying shut the fuck up lmao what an absolute privileged snowflake

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Creepy-Explanation91 t1_j1zuvg1 wrote

Replying to ThereIsNoGame (#1,114,501)

It’s a giant concrete cube with a tiny screen of two dudes kissing inside? Not a very creative or artistic design is it? Wouldn’t a big statue of two guys kissing both send a better message and be more artistically pleasing? Is there a specific reason for it being just a giant cube? It’s a very important monument since gay men were heavily persecuted by the Nazis but the article doesn’t give much information and I have a-lot of questions about why the design was chosen.

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ThereIsNoGame t1_j1zz0nb wrote

Replying to Creepy-Explanation91 (#1,120,459)

I'm not an art critic, but my understanding this is in parallel with the memorial to the murdered jews of europe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_to_the_Murdered_Jews_of_Europe

As the maze of blocks represents the fear, confusion and directionlessness of the jews in that dark time, so too does the concrete cube, and it's unassuming exterior, represents the way the gender diverse had to hide their identity, remain closeted, to avoid persecution. Only by getting close, can you see who they really were.

Art is most powerful when it's subtle. Art should not tell a story to the audience, but instead guide the audience in the direction of the conclusions they should make. It's not there to answer questions, but ask questions and challenge the audience to understand the answers.

Why have Mount Rushmore when you could just put up a big sign that says "Washington, Jefferson, Roosevelt and Lincoln were all good presidents."?

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aaaanoon t1_j20cngp wrote

Brave owner. Like having an Atheist museum in the states.

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Sbeast t1_j20igo6 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,113,769)

I only know a little about the events around 2014, but some of it sounded terrible. All atrocities are wrong. I also read some of the war crimes in the current conflict have been committed by Ukraine's Armed Forces too, but on a lesser scale.

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burgermiester288 t1_j20mwdd wrote

Replying to aaaanoon (#1,123,696)

Are atheists beaten to death in the streets in the us? Do atheist kids get kicked out of their homes at three times the rate of non atheist kids in the us? Any existent oppression of atheists in the us is not even comparable to queer oppression in the us, let alone russia

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MBH1800 t1_j20nqu5 wrote

Replying to die_a_third_death (#1,114,159)

Worst thing I read about the holocaust was that when the camps were liberated, most inmates still alive were released and sent to hospital care - except the homosexuals, who were transferred to prisons to serve out their "sentence". It was still illegal under the new government as well.

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AllahAndJesusGaySex t1_j20r7fi wrote

Replying to maxinator80 (#1,121,234)

Oh yeah. There is always a community where ever there are people. But, I know how horrible the LGBTQ+ community has been treated there. So, it just amazes me that there was really anything allowed publicly that showed they exist.

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Ksnj t1_j20u6e3 wrote

Replying to TRIBETWELVE (#1,113,614)

Maaaaaaan, every time I see this, it makes me so fucking upset. As a trans person myself, not being able to be myself for over 3 decades, due mostly to lack of information/representation, has caused catastrophic damage. What would trans lives look like if the Nazis (current iteration included) were not around? Our mental/physical health be so much better……so many lives could have been saved.

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MasterBot98 t1_j20y6em wrote

Replying to AllahAndJesusGaySex (#1,126,199)

Krasovsky,the dude who talked about drowning Ukrainian babies was one of the first gays to publicly come out in times when Russia was pretty conservative(in that regard anyway) even in the big cities,and obv in the media. Also, before talking about drowning Ukrainian children he talked about similar stuff about Ukrainians in general, which got no big reaction from his audience.

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TrumpetSC2 t1_j20zse0 wrote

Replying to burgermiester288 (#1,114,708)

Yeah the above poster you replied to is one of those people that are so wrong that even if they were right about the claim, they would still be wrong lol because the entire premise is false.

Like its not like queer ppl have it great in parts of the US now because gay marriage is legal, so how does their comment even make sense on any level lol.

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MasterBot98 t1_j216f9s wrote

Replying to goodplayer111 (#1,114,164)

Harassing Russians in mass in Ukraine is practically impossible cos we are so alike. As other said,the only way to see the Russians among Ukrainians is generally when they are exceptionally patriotic. Which by general Russian logic would make them nazis, cos their logic sees no difference between patriotism/nationalism/nazism. And then the well known “Russians cannot be nazis” comes in, which is ironically a statement of superiority, which proves that,again, such Russians have no clue what actual Nazism is, and that they have this problem at scale.

"cares that russians in ukraine are being harrased"

What kind of Russians? The ultrapatriotic ones? My first paragraph should tell you enough on my stance on them. And about the others, we treat them like we treat Ukrainians, cos we don't give a fuck (ok that might get worse a bit cos of war but oh well). The only actor who has an actual tendency to harras/disregard/unjustly persecute/outright kill for political reasons Russians is Russian govt and your own ultrapatriots. And when you command "attack" to your "ultrapatriots" and outright Nazis to attack on Ukraine,ofc you will get results like Bucha, it is expected, really.

The only real big differences between Russian nazism and German one-

  1. You figured out that calling everyone else a Nazi works wonders.

2.And you traded racial superiority for a kind of cultural one. That's it, that's how short the list is,everything else like hate on the pacifists, secret police, superiority complex(even if a slightly different one), intense propaganda and everything else is exactly the same. If you want links, just say to what and I will find them.

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BrownBear109 t1_j21d7si wrote

Replying to Johannes_P (#1,127,193)

As their only consistent national identity revolves around being counter to the west, there was actually a period of time where the Soviet Union fell and russia decriminalized homosexuality in 1991, decriminalized homosexual relationships in 1993, and in 1997 allowed transpeople to officially register as the gender which they identified with.

This coincided with the period of time when the US was struggling with gays in the military, the ramifications of the AIDS crisis from the 1980’s, and Focus on the Family was trying to re-criminalize homosexuality in America.

As the west grew stronger, and gay acceptance became a significant part of western identity, russia decided that maybe the gays didn’t need protecting after all

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Stock_Rush2555 t1_j21nh7u wrote

This no doubt coincides with a massive upsurge in Russian captains raping young conscript men to "toughen them up"

Russia is the most closeted nation ever. Have you seen Russian ballet? Have you seen how full they pack their crotch? It would be comedic, if it wasn't against a backdrop of sexual repression and taboo rape

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heathers1 t1_j21nofk wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,131,097)

Is it though? I know they are advocating against gay rights and i know they wore “ I’d rather be Russian than Democrat”shirts. They are against NATO and the West helping the Ukraine.

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chatte__lunatique t1_j21q37t wrote

Replying to Ksnj (#1,126,758)

Yeah it's super depressing. We lost so much knowledge because of the Nazis, knowledge that could have saved countless trans and queer lives. And that's not even getting into how many queer people the Nazis — followed by the Allies who let us continue to rot in the camps — murdered directly.

I wonder what my childhood might've been like if that knowledge hadn't been burnt to the ground, and had instead become widespread...

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chatte__lunatique t1_j21s69h wrote

Replying to die_a_third_death (#1,114,159)

Not just in Germany, across the world. Hirschfeld's work was groundbreaking, and the loss of his research and treatment documentation was so devastating to queer and especially trans healthcare, that it's not an exaggeration to compare it to the loss of the Library of Alexandria.

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hypnos_surf t1_j229k8z wrote

Is this weird considering not too long ago the only relevant culture Russia has given the world within the last 20 years was a duo music group that themed themselves on their homosexuality.

Russia loves riding through history on a roller coaster.

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Isthisworking2000 t1_j22jhcm wrote

Seems like the sort of time in Russia to keep your head down and pray.

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