i’m not trying to start an argument here. but have you actually tried them?

or… they just didn’t fit his preferences?

those headphones represent one type of frequency response lol. they’re incredibly neutral with a slight tilt towards brightness. i can absolutely see how they could sound “shrill” or “thin” to a newcomer, especially the beyers which are outright sibilant at times

that’s not to say i don’t like them — but i wouldn’t have enjoyed them if they were my first cans. i’m still glad i invested in other headphones

looks like i’m never buying hifimans lol

yeah exactly. i was just pointing out that whichever way you put it, it’s not a 27 year old headphone

if you have an iphone, i’d definitely recommend apple over tidal. its android app is a little choppy

sadly its recommendation system is absolute garbage compared to spotify’s, but what can you do

>a wow factor comes from something being over done, whether it’s soundstage, treble etc

based as fuck, and very well said

the “wow factor” that people mention with the hd6x0 series only really occurs when people go from their beats or $20 earphones to a proper headphone for the very first time. i’m sure of this — especially considering the hd600 and hd650 are the most popular choices when it comes to reference open-backs

my r70x also sounds just right. it’s insanely neutral. yet i still experienced the “wow factor” purely because i’d never heard good sound before. i would’ve experienced the same thing if i’d went with an hd650 instead, but if i were to buy one now i’d probably feel like i wasted my money.

diminishing returns are huge in this hobby. it’s kinda crazy how some people just aren’t aware of that

are you lost

the hd6xx came out like 6 years ago and they’re based on a 20 year old headphone

LMAO

i can fully attest to this, yet i still think it's just due to the (intentional or unintentional) differences between headphones, and not a sign of 'better' technical capabilities. differing tonalities, imaging/separation capabilities and whatever else means that different headphones will make some 'details' more audible than others

probably

not exactly, but not too far off either

tuning isn't what makes a headphone, technical performance (which includes detail retrieval, staging and imaging, etc) has an equal part to play. the entire build/fit of a headphone also drastically affects the sound. placing one headphone's driver in another's casing would not give you the same sound, for example