Lol, gotta love American foreign policy of demonizing people they don't like so they could justify starving them only to have their big companies buy up their goods for pennies on the dollar.

>Also, the only real difference between Ukraine and Kazakhstan here that matters is Ukrainians are white.

Well that and it's also much harder to arm a place like Kazakhstan or Azerbaijan. How are you going to do that? You can't go through Central Asia, China isn't going to let you and neither is Iran. Turkey probably will but they're going to charge extremely handsomely.

Thing is, nobody really cares about "Bad actor suppliers" as long they don't do what they're doing in their neighborhood. At least nobody in power. If Russia invaded a place like Kazakhstan or Azerbaijan instead, the sanctions would have been much less harsh just like with what happened in Georgia. But instead they invaded a country in Europe and forced another massive migration crisis right after a global pandamic without doing the usual steady stream of propaganda for 3 or 4 years to lay the groundwork.

I think it was because they thought they could steam roll Ukraine with half the troops they had and by just YOLO running to Kyiv like they did with the Crimea but Ukraine was ready this time and it ended up being a disaster.

Yea but I wouldn't say they "rigged" it

Dude no they didn't, Americans are just really, really, reaaaaally dumb and polarized. Just look at Georgia where there's a close race between a literal preacher and a dude wite CTE galore whose cheated on his wife, has multiple kids with multiple women, put a gun to her face and pulled out a little police badge during a debate.

I mean they've gotten a 100 billion dollars in 8 months of war and the military budget of France just given to them. The thing they really need is some cheap AA to put around critical infrastructure, that would be a real game changer.

Well shit, learn something new everyday I guess

Are they like one of those companies who are a loy bigger than the thing they're most known for? Cause all I know is they make stupidly expensive cars

Well, I certainly didn't see a car company revolutionizing jet engines but here we are I guess

Yea moral and the popularity of the war and Putin don't really matter since he has a massive internal police force which keep an eye on everything and arrest people left, right and center so the chance of some major revolution happening is pretty much slim to none right now. If it's like a million dead and 4 years from now, then there might be some real repercussions. Their equipment is also mostly going to be fine because they're artillery army well NATO is an air power army, which actually does get hampered a lot during winter.

They could also just say that they're fighting NATO in Ukraine which in all honesty, they kind of are. I mean Ukraine, a country with a gdp comparable to Mississippi , got a 100 billion dollars in 8 months of which 54 of that went to their army. That's the military budget of France, a country with 20 times they're gdp and comparable to Russia it self.

At the end of the day, this war is going to be years long and if it comes down to who could bleed more, Ukraine has to cause a lot more causalties then Russia does.

France also had a massive colonial empire to fall back on for manpower and 10% of the French population didn't leave the country. Ukraine is also more than likely taking that much or slightly below that much causalities as they were on the offencive against an enemy with the firepower advantage.

Russia has also taken 100k causalities, not a 100k dead. It's probably like 25k dead and 75k wounded. America and its allies suffered 340k dead and another 1.34 million causalities.

Dude, almost everything you just said is exactly Ukrainian propaganda lol. Russia sent out a bunch of vehicles with enough fuel and logistics for 3 days and about week into the invasion, a whole lot of them were abandoned because they had no fuel, hence the videos of Ukrainian tractors pulling them to Ukrainian lines. That issue is over now since they're now in it for the long haul.

What ww2 tank are they using? I've been following this war since like the beginning and the worst is some t 50s which were are previous generation tanks but still do the job of heavy Armour well enough. They would get torn apart by an Abrams but America isn't sending those to Ukraine since Ukraine, like Russia, is a Soviet army. And buying cheap drones and millions of shells from your allies isn't exactly anything new in warfare.

NATO has trained maybe 10 to 20k Ukrainian troops so far. Ukraine has an army of 600 to 700k. That's a drop in the bucket right there.

Russia has been losing territory because of the massive Ukrainian manpower advantage which has been taking heavy causalities because Russia still has the firepower and artillery advantage. But the problem is thar Ukraine has already mobilized just about every person they could, Russia has not.

Dude, you've been on waaay to much Ukrainian propaganda on reddit if you really think that's true. Russia, the second largest military industrial complex in the world with enough backlog of Soviet gear to arm every citizen multiple times over and being the largest artillery army in the world, can't train, equip or have enough ammo for their soldiers? I mean come on dude, even you have to realize how little that makes sense considering it's been 8 months of war at this point and they haven't run out of anything.

Yea and Ukraine was tossing in 45 year old teachers with 5 days training into Severodonetsk to get blown apart by artillery. Mobilization is hard for everyone but Russia doesn't have America helping them out.

This was like 6 months ago and they did because they ran out of fuel because of bad initial planning. We're far beyond that stage at this point.

False. If you could feed, equip and train 99/100 troops but that 1 soldiers makes a video talking about not being trained or properly fed then doesn't mean the entire army has that problem. They also have winter to do all that as well.

https://www-forbes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2022/11/10/around-200000-ukrainian-and-russian-troops-have-been-killed-or-wounded-us-estimates/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16693163054356&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Ftylerroush%2F2022%2F11%2F10%2Faround-200000-ukrainian-and-russian-troops-have-been-killed-or-wounded-us-estimates%2F

Here's my breakdown using Ukrainian sources to get a better picture from 3 months ago. https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/whdwz0/ua_pov_estimating_ukrainian_casualties_since_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

And here's a Ukrainian general hoping that 100k causlaties weren't taken, also from 3 months ago (so it's probably much higher now)

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2022/06/16/ukraine-russia-war-severodonetsk-death-toll/5331655377277/

It doesn't matter if a war is popular or not, they annexed 4 regions of Ukraine into Russia so they could sell the idea that they're defending Russia and anyone who doesn't want to fight is abandoning their country. That will make the mobilization pill a lot easier to swallow. Russia also doesn't have separatist groups to deal with and they have Central Asian immigrants to deal with all the tedious work so they could pretty much strip all the man power they need.

You're also stuck in the beginning of the war when Russian logistics were truly awful since they only brought enough supplies for 3 days, thinking they could YOLO run to Kyiv with out securing their flanks. They now have the logistical capabilities to get 40 to 50k soldiers across a river well being shelled relatively safely. We also haven't seen a significant number of Russian troops just giving up, weve just seen Ukrainian videos showing the ones that have. The battle of Mariupol alone led to 4000 Ukrainain pows, thats far more than how many Russians are in Ukrainian captivity.

That is also just not true, both Russia and Ukraine are Soviet armies and Russia still has tens of millions of AKs in storage. NATO maybe giving them guns which are 20% better but that doesn't matter since like you said, it's not the Napleonic Era where an extra shot per minute really matters.

At the end of the day, it's about who could bleed more and that's Russia.

I'm just gonna copy and paste my other text but people really don't seem to understand the situation that well.

General Mark Milley said that both sides probably lost around a 100k soldiers in causalities but it's probably higher on the Ukrainian side now since they're on the offensive against dug in Russian troops with the artillery advantage. Now this wouldn't be a problem if the both had a similar population but they don't, Ukraine has about 39 million people compared to Russias 143 million. That means that a single Ukrainian soldier is a lot more valuable then a Russian one so it's really more like Ukraine is losing 3.5 soldiers for every Russian soldier they take out.

Now Russia went in with like 220k soldiers and Ukraine had a generally mobilization process which gave then a 3 or 4 to 1 man power advantage by mid war, that why they were able to pull off that massive offencive in Kharkov but Russia has mobilized 300k troops and there are rumors that they'll mobilize another 400 to 600k soldiers, taking away that manpower advantage Ukraine had. They also bought millions of shells for pennies on the dollar and artillery is one of the few things thar kept them alive and somewhat balanced off the Ukrainian man power advantage so with in a year, they'll have both the manpower and artillery advantage.

In the long term, Ukraine needs to inflict 3 or 4 to 1 causalities against the Russians to maintain the war effort, it certainly doesn't look good for Ukraine if the causalities are somewhat equal and that's just the hard truth of the matter.

General Mark Milley said that both sides probably lost around a 100k soldiers in causalities but it's probably higher on the Ukrainian side now since they're on the offensive against dug in Russian troops with the artillery advantage. Now this wouldn't be a problem if the both had a similar population but they don't, Ukraine has about 39 million people compared to Russias 143 million. That means that a single Ukrainian soldier is a lot more valuable then a Russian one so it's really more like Ukraine is losing 3.5 soldiers for every Russian soldier they take out.

Now Russia went in with like 220k soldiers and Ukraine had a generally mobilization process which gave then a 3 or 4 to 1 man power advantage by mid war, that why they were able to pull off that massive offencive in Kharkov but Russia has mobilized 300k troops and there are rumors that they'll mobilize another 400 to 600k soldiers, taking away that manpower advantage Ukraine had. They also bought millions of shells for pennies on the dollar and artillery is one of the few things thar kept them alive and somewhat balanced off the Ukrainian man power advantage so with in a year, they'll have both the manpower and artillery advantage.

In the long term, Ukraine needs to inflict 3 or 4 to 1 causalities against the Russians to maintain the war effort, it certainly doesn't look good for Ukraine if the causalities are somewhat equal and that's just the hard truth of the matter.

No butnit has greatly weakend the front line capabilities since more and more AA is needed to protect critical infrastructure.

General Mark Milley said that both sides probably lost around a 100k soldiers in causalities but it's probably higher on the Ukrainian side now since they're on the offensive against dug in Russian troops with the artillery advantage. Now this wouldn't be a problem if the both had a similar population but they don't, Ukraine has about 34 million people compared to Russias 116 million. That means that a single Ukrainian soldier is a lot more valuable then a Russian one.

In the long term, it certainly doesn't look good for Ukraine if the causalities are somewhat equal and that's just the hard truth of the matter.