I hope it's worthwhile at least. I'd love to bypass the slowdown that is the strip going through Shamokin Dam/Northumberland when heading north.

Yep, I agree.

It's always hard to have these conversations, though, because of his popularity. The fans will usually be upset at the criticism leveled at him and it's frustrating.

I think it's great his books are so fun and that so many people are reading, now, because of how accessible they are. I just don't think he belongs in the adult fantasy section and I've noticed WAY more fun, fluffy, fantasy in the adult section since Sando got popular that would be more appropriate in the YA section.

Yeah, you're experiencing the big issue with Sando.

The man's a machine, and his stories are fun, but I still think he belongs in the YA section and has pulled the entire fantasy genre as a whole more toward YA and less toward more complexly written literature.

He tells, barely shows. His attempts at metaphor and simile are often cringe(I literally cringed at some of his attempts in the WoT books he wrote), and despite you thinking his worlds are deep, when you look again, they're broad and shallow as heck. He just picks a single cultural tic and beats that into the ground, but he has so many different cultures it tricks the reader into thinking it's complex.

But yeah, great intro author, but I think he's extremely overhyped to the point he's damaged the quality of other fantasy from his popularity.

Not simping. Fed up with the biweekly circlejerks against the Turnpike on this sub using incorrect data or poor understanding of the data.

If someone wants to complain about the prices, they should at least get it right.

Without the nuance of additional variables, sure. But actually interpreting it well means it's not the most expensive in reality. You're taking a data point and ignoring every other bit if nuance. And you've resorted to name-calling. Have a good one, but you've proven to be a troll.

Because it isn't the same discussion. Length of road correlates to more expensive trip end-to-end. That's why I broke it down to per-mile, because that's more accurate and removes length of roadway as a consideration.

It's increasingly looking like you're just stirring the pot by adding to the "turnpike is so expensive" circlejerk that happens on here every other week. You spout the miscontrued data of being most expensive, but ignore anything else that debunks that, then the others who won't look at the nuance jump on and agree with you.

Yes, the dataset is for end to end, but only focusing on that ignores the length of the road which is incredibly important.

I was trying to break it down further to show how the cost is not the most expensive in the world.

The Turnpike is one of the longest in the world, which causes the price to be higher.

Complaining about the price is basically complaining the roadway is long. And that's ridiculous.

So, I'm asking if you have any data that compares same lengths of roadway, because that would actually determine how expensive it is.

Provide your source data, then, as I'd like to be accurate.

Anything I've seen is comparing apples to oranges.

So you're saying you want to be disingenuous and use whichever stat lets you say the turnpike is the most expensive even after shown information that factually says it's not? So, you want to use the example of tractor trailers or something, then, instead of typical 2 axle vehicles?

Direct your ire to Rendell and Act 44 that forced the Turnpike to pay $500 million per year to PennDot. The debt means that Turnpike has to raise rates to pay their debts off from Rendell's past screw up.

I guess not. But with the constant circle-jerk of crapping on the Turnpike based on poor data understanding, you can understand someone being tired of it.

What sense does it make to criticize it for that though? And what logic is there to comparing a 360 mile long roadway to a 30 mile long roadway?

That's such a HUGE false comparison.

Now, if there is another 360 mile long turnpike, let's compare THAT to the PA Turnpike, then you'll have an accurate comparison.

Of course the turnpike will have a higher cost because it's longer.

Just from a casual Google, it looks like the New York Thruway is over 100 miles longer than PA Turnpike and is much cheaper. Why not compare those?

Gotta stop reading clickbait. The article that claims the turnpike is the most expensive in the world is bunk.

It costs $95.20 to go east to west on the turnpike, 360 miles.

The next most expensive the "study" says is a road in Austria that costs $45.43 but is only 29.7 miles long.

The Austrian road comes out to 1.5 dollars per mile, and the turnpike is .26.

The PA Turnpike is not the most expensive at all. It's just 360 miles long and a full trip adds up.

For your education, use their toll calculator to actually see what it costs: https://www.paturnpike.com/toll-calculator

A full trip east to west without EZ pass is $95. Tons of the "PA Turnpike is most expensive Turnpike" articles interpret the data wrongly to generate clickbait.

Knock it off with your ignorance. How about you actually check their toll calculator: https://www.paturnpike.com/toll-calculator

Entering as far east as possible and exiting as far west as possible, without EZ Pass, is $95.

The turnpike has many improvement it could make and the endless tolls increases are ridiculous, but at least try to be accurate.

Early October. Completed it and mailed it out immediately. Usually, I see it as accepted pretty quickly, but not this time. I want to make sure my vote gets in.

Random, but do you have an idea of how long it takes after sending your ballot in that they process it? It's been weeks since I mailed mine back and the registration site still hasn't updated they received it.

283 has blue lights at one end, now, too. It's so nice.

I wish all of the rail trails looked like this instead of the tiny stones.