Truth.

I'm pooping with the door open.

I get nasty looking after a couple minutes in the air and not stirred then set aside because I "browned" and never get touched cause I look gross? Nah I'll be the free salsa. Everyone loves free salsa.

Wow. You really are a trump supporter if you're this delusional.

What? I know what round up is but yea you're right I didn't realize that insecticides are pesticides but they mainly go after a certain stage in the pests life. The more you know. And you just don't stop with the insults do you?

The rhetoric offended Hayes’ sense of fairness. He knew that environmentalists linked colony collapse to neonicotinoid insecticides and that they thought Monsanto was somehow to blame. But he also knew that Monsanto doesn’t make insecticides. The company’s most famous product, glyphosate—that’s Roundup—kills plants. Its second-most famous product—Roundup-ready seeds—allows plants to resist its most famous product.

I didn't read it huh? Okay.

That article says Monsanto doesn't even make pesticides. It's a lie and so the truth comes out. You are a Monsanto fanboy. Now that the dirty laundry is aired out we can go about our day. Kind of funny I never thought I would come in contact with someone who actually advocates for Monsanto. Good read though until the lies so that discredits the whole article unfortunately.

In farms? You got the source.

Okay and how many bees are in farms. How are we to know if the population goes up with out numbers? You got numbers? Forget the wild bees. Fuck them. How many bees are in farms. How many? So we can keep track of their incline or decline of population. When they say 40% have died. Is that 40% of 1,000,000 or 40% of 5,000? Big difference.

? Never accused you of this? You've been very clear in your stance. This vaccine is for the bees on bee farms. My stance is that since pesticides inherently weaken their immune system and I know for a fact these bees aren't in a enclosed box to never ever see the world then their chance of running into a pesticide or herbicide of some kind is of great chance. This with a weakened immune system they can't fight off the mites they've been living with since we'll forever. Bees have been around for over 130 million years. You don't find just a bit coincidental that over that whole time frame in the 1940s they start going into decline? That's my stance never said this was really bad. Wouldn't be my first alternative which I've been very adamant about. Not sure where you're confused on where I stand on the matter.

Yes I did say it was the magical cure all because that's pretty much how you're making it seem and that is just far from true. Noone has even even tried to get Monsanto to stop killing the bees with pesticides so how do we know it doesn't even work? And yes if everyone stood together you'd be surprised at how powerful the people really are. Yet I know that's a tough thing to overcome but not impossible.

And you don't know how to have meaningful dialogue with out bad mouthing someone for having a opinion. Yet the fact still remains you have no idea how many bees are in farms. Neither do I. Only thing I've seen is that there is a guess of approximately 2.5 million bees in north america. If there is say only 10,000 bees in farms then does this breakthrough really matter if the vaccine doesn't do anything. Then if it does, how do we go about doing it for the rest of the population? That is how you have meaningful dialogue. Not sure who hurt you but you know when trying to have an actual conversation you don't have to be a dick right? Other wise what's the point of even talking if we're not even gonna have dialogue. Doesn't even seem like you care to hear my side of things you're just being an asshole for the sake of being one. You must be a trump supporter only they are assholes for no reason.

And I never said that this vaccine wouldn't be a good thing, just feel like there are other avenues that also need to be explored and may possibly benefit from but they don't wanna go that route. Yet here we are.

So how many bees are in farms. How many? What percentage? Can you answer that or no?

https://www.planetbee.org/why-bees-are-dying

https://www.thoughtco.com/why-honeybees-are-disappearing-1203584

https://www.epa.gov/sciencematters/understanding-how-pesticide-exposure-affects-honey-bee-colonies

https://actforbees.org/resources/pesticides-and-bees/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/widely-used-pesticide-is-a-buzzkill-for-honeybees/

It's a knee jerk reaction if you don't follow the science and the science clearly states it's pesticides that are doing the most harm.

How far back of an article do you want that says chemicals are causing bees to die? One decade old, two perhaps 3 decades old of what scientist have been saying the bee population has been declining? Because scientists have been blaming herbicides and pesticides, plus human encroachment for far longer then they've been working on this vaccine for bees. How many bees live on these farms compared to the wild? Only numbers I can even find are guesses that there is about 2.5 million bees in north america. Any other sources of how many of these 2.5 million are in farms?

Never said it didn't or wouldn't work that's all you buddy and yes I do believe certain vaccines are necessary and actually helpful. This I feel like is a knee jerk reaction and not focusing on the bigger problem which is chemicals being sprayed on the plants they use to pollinate. Then the "pests" these chemicals are made to eradicate get stronger and so does the poison.

www.forbes.com/sites/jordanstrickler/2020/11/17/how-do-pesticides-affect-a-bees-internal-clock/?sh=1aa1141847e9

This has been talked about for decades but no one wants to confront Monsanto. Bees have been around for over 130 million years and it's only since the 1940s, when pesticides and herbicides started being used widely, that they started to decline rapidly. So sure this may be a short term solution but by no means will it be something to awe over. In my opinion which doesn't mean shit.

The second to last sentence on the article clearly states that pesticides does weaken their immune system and can also kill them. So maybe, just maybe, if they didn't have a weaker immune system from the pesticides maybe, just maybe, they'll have a better chance at surviving. However I guess the real question is do you inherently believe that this vaccine will be the magical cure to restore the bees population?

And where do the bees go to pollinate? You can't control these animals they will eventually go out to do what they are hardwired to do in nature. To pollinate. Most people use herbicides and pesticides. Plus alot of these bee farmers take there bees to pollinate other farms who do use those chemicals. If it's a disease found in nature then who are we to say other wise. Disease is unfortunately natural and I still think trying to "cure" them rather than look at the bigger picture of how they are dying on mass is the bigger issue. Hence why I keep bringing up the chemicals but like I said earlier you don't wanna discuss that do you?

You act like farms don't use herbicides or pesticides on their crops.

See how ignorant you're choosing to be?

Did you even read the article to where to this day they are still paying fines for adverse effects. It was so bad they had to implement a law so you couldn't sue them and they are still getting sued. I am not an antivaxxer just feel like there is better ways to go about saving the bees. You know by correcting the thing that's killing them herbicides and pesticides. But no one wants to hear that argument do you? You must be pro Monsanto if you're defending them this bad. See how stupid that argument sounds?

www.findlaw.com/healthcare/patient-rights/can-i-sue-vaccine-manufacturers-.html

Yea because it's not like alternative effects can happen from vaccines right?

I am not for this at all, this or any change from humans or "science" to any living animal. What makes us humans think we are superior then billions of years of evolution? How about find a way to repopulate them by countering the poisons you allow Monsanto to kill these animals with. Yet that'll never happen.

More like this.....

1990s: Don't talk to strangers, don't get into vehicles with strangers and don't believe anything on the internet.

2020s: Fact checking done specifically on the internet and you must provide a source because I'm too lazy to confirm it myself, I call an Uber get into a car with a complete stranger and proceed to inform him of where I live while I give them turn by turn directions.