Submitted by BorgesBorgesBorges60 t3_104vv7v in Futurology
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MisterDecember t1_j390jl5 wrote
Ah - they will ingest the vaccine that is mixed in with royal jelly. Make a lot more sense than what I was visualizing with a line of bees waiting for their tiny jabs.
JDubNutz t1_j3ab8id wrote
Well well well how the turn tables
hair_brained_scheme t1_j3am7xn wrote
Man, y’all got me on this one. I get that we use this phrase a lot here on Reddit, but this was a really good use of it. If I had gold I would give it to you.
Oni_Imports t1_j3b5g89 wrote
Something about that execution, 99% of the time someone says that I think “this is kind of a dumb meme, I don’t even remember why we say this” but damn it just feels right here.
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295DVRKSS t1_j3av8s4 wrote
Imagine if they had tiny bee epipens
Oni_Imports t1_j3b5nxc wrote
My very first thought was imagining oversized cartoon syringes with teeny tiny needles and each bee getting like 1/1,000,000 of the syringe by a line a nurses that have unreal fine motor skills.
ConnieTheLinguist t1_j3amweg wrote
So, all we need to do is mix covid vaccines into sugary breakfast cereal and we’ve got most of the US population covered, right?
theunbearableone t1_j38enep wrote
|doing the occasional human murder|
Saywhatnow
Mindbulletz t1_j39tcnk wrote
To be fair this is also real bees.
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AdolinKholin1 t1_j39kgsp wrote
"I thought we were BEES not SHEEP. I'm personally not taking that vaccine and neither will my kids" - Karen Queen Bee, 2023
IttsssTonyTiiiimme t1_j38rfbq wrote
I know an old lady who swallowed a fly…
SuperDurpPig t1_j39tgde wrote
>Foulbreed
Foulbrood*
It's a disease that afflicts brood nests inside the hive. The vaccine is ingested by the queen and passed down into the eggs as she lays them.
maretus t1_j3bmwnf wrote
There is a guy in Asia experimenting with bubbles as a method to disperse pollen. And it’s working really well.
And it’s remarkably cheap. I know this is only tangentially related but I thought it was interesting anyway.
S-WordoftheMorning t1_j3bdnam wrote
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sanitation123 t1_j38qxs3 wrote
What the fuck?
capt_yellowbeard t1_j385e9e wrote
Man. That’s going to be a LOT of really tiny needles.
What percentage of bees are anti-vaxxers?
MannieOKelly t1_j38cxvp wrote
It's finding their arms that's the problem.
powerfulKRH t1_j3bo1c9 wrote
No such thing as a bee anti waxxer. They’re a very pro wax community
capt_yellowbeard t1_j3ezs3h wrote
I think this joke is showing up in German for me for some reason.
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mydogeatspoop2023 t1_j3o0avc wrote
Bees don't watch Joe Rogan or read Truth Social.
tdreampo t1_j38mqhx wrote
The main reason this is an issue in the first place is that we use artificial bee hives (Langstroth hive) for commercial honey production. The hives don’t allow for bees to create hives in a natural way and therefor mites are an issue. And you have to disrupt the bees constantly in a langstroth hive so they are disoriented most of the time. If we switched to a more natural hive like a Warre’ hive the bees would be able to and will police themselves for mites. You get less honey but you only disrupt the bees once a year and they will basically take care of themselves. Once again this is a man made problem and instead of letting nature do it’s thing we invent vaccines. It’s kinda nuts really. Oh and PS bees aren’t native to North America, plants were pollinated fine for thousands of years here with butterfly’s and other insects long before bees were imported by European settlers.
groundhogcow t1_j399uvc wrote
The type of hive is not what makes mites. It's the behavior of the bees.
Warre hives are most commonly filled with caught swarms or native bees. They have a more natural defense having been in the wild longer. However, mites are new. The only bees that have long-term exposure and immunity are the Asian bee. They tried bringing that bee to countries struggling with mites, but it cross bread with existing bees and killer bees were born. So you have to watch how you mix bees.
The most common type of bees are Italian Bees because they are very gentle. They also have 0 mite resistance. So they need a lot of care or they will swarm and just go off into the woods and die. What a waste. That is why people disturb them. There are several other types of bees that have had success that beekeepers are trying. As well as wild bees which is hit or miss on their resistance since some will be bees are just Italian bees someone didn't check on. A strain of bees takes time to cultivate and determine their characteristics.
Warre hives are fine and have some advantages but they are not great for commercial honey production. At least not until they have had enough time to adapt all the equipment to different sizes and shapes.
But none of this has a thing to do withFoulbreed disease.
tdreampo t1_j39de5v wrote
Granted I’m a super amateur beekeeper so I have a lot to learn but my understanding is that a Warre will help with mites because the bees will remove them themselves in that environment. Is that not correct?
white_bread t1_j3a2uq3 wrote
I've been keeping bees for 8 years now and I feel like it's the strain of the bees, not the type of hive, that determines if they can deal with the mites or simply collapse. I have bought boxes of Italian and Hawaiian bees and they didn't make it. They were a mess and needed all kinds of medications and acids just to stay alive. I caught a few feral swarms. These are bees that have learned to live on their own and thrive. I literally stopped all meds and feeding. They just live. Every once in a while I pull a few frames of honey from the super but never even open or check the lower boxes.
The downside to my bees living and also living without me taking their entire hive apart every two weeks to tend to them is that I had to leave the bee-keeping group I was in because they consider me a crappy beekeeper who is screwing up the entire ecosystem. My hives, to them, are known as dirty hives. They look at my hives as a varroa mite factory. Those mites, in their mind, will eventually end up on their highly bred bees and they will have the add even more medication and treatments to prop them up. When I explain that my bees already existed out in the wild and I'm simply giving them a safe place to live they really don't care. I got tired of the snide remarks and felt it was time to leave the group.
groundhogcow t1_j39l8fv wrote
We are start someware so it's cool.
The primary proponent of Warre hives is into "natural beekeeping" in which the hive is only a part.
He also encourages swarm catching. In particular wild swarm catching as apposed to caching swarms of tame bees.
The swarm of wild bees are still alive because they are good at fighting off disease and taking care of mites. At least in theory. So it's the bees that make them resistant not the hive. I tried a swarm catcher this year but didn't get one so I am still raising my Italian girls. I have Carolina bees coming which I am told are better at mite control but still to the point they need beekeeper help. I got them for there better cold weather behavior and not there mite control properties.
Lanthanum hives are just traditional and what all the equipment is designed for. There are a bunch of other types. Warre being one with some interesting designs but it's the bees that make them disease and mite resistant. You should find out ore about hives in plastic bottles and the Bee-Barn which are getting a lot of attention. (If I could just buy a bee barn I would have two tomorrow.)
Hives and beekeeping methods need to be done together. Some types of bees need different things then others. Like any type of livestock the care required depends on the breed. I really like the warre hives but it's notat I am doing currently. I might if my swarm catcher gets me some wild bees.
IceZOMBIES t1_j39rjrv wrote
Bees are pretty fuckin cool. Well, at least the nice non-killer ones are.
tdreampo t1_j3cz7da wrote
So Im reading about bee barns and it looks like those are for non honey bees mainly? Is that correct? I use Warre’ hives because I do want honey but I try to do everything as aligned with nature as possible. I have a substantial organic garden and I use similar principals. I got very much in to the work of Masanobu Fukuoka and I try to apply his principles of working with nature to almost everything I do including bee keeping. My main goal is to produce almost all of my own food and have enough extra to sell at farmers markets to pay the mortgage on my property. Making my property self sustaining. I should reach that goal in one or two more seasons. Interestingly enough working with nature in a garden like this is substantially less work then regular yard maintenance. As I use cover crops and mulch, as well as Ollas for extra watering if needed. So it’s basically, plant seeds direct, then harvest when ripe. I can leave the garden alone for weeks with very little consequence and I want to bee keep the same way. Thats why Warre‘ is so appealing to me, I basically leave the bees alone, then weigh the hive to make sure they have enough honey for the winter and then harvest what honey is left. So I only bug the bees once a year, and boy does my garden like the bees! I admittedly have never used a Langston hive, although I do own one. I just don’t like the idea of constantly invading the bee’s home. I’m only a few seasons in, so I’m very new to this. But it’s an incredible world!
groundhogcow t1_j3eeqea wrote
Not the bee barns I am talking about. Likely we are in the wrong bubbles. Go here and watch vino farms in there fist year experimenting with the bear barns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z768OIA3bMo
I am interested in that type of bees you have. Are they wild bees from a caught swarm are did you buy them someplace?
Different types of bees need different types of care. I think wild bees might be ok in what your setup is but something like Italian bees would have an issue. I like the Warre hives but the low inspection rate concerns me. There are cases where it would be ok though.
When I inspect my hives I am looking at several things.
- Do they have enough space.
- Are they bringing in enough food.
- Has anything happened to the queen.
- Are any pests damaging the bees, wax moths, hive beetles, mites, mice, and bears. (Bears are easy to detect)
- Have they caught any diseases. Like Foulbreed disease remember that one. Or several others.
Tame bees should be kept from swarming. They can't make it on there own and become big bundles of disease and mites that infect others with there drones or robbing. Wild bees require much less attention but it would be good to still check them occasionally for deceases.
You can not be sure about honey production with wild bees so I hope you got some good ones.
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BorgesBorgesBorges60 OP t1_j38mwxg wrote
That's incredibly interesting
andrevvm t1_j39mcua wrote
Make less honey = make less money, so unfortunately won’t happen. Bee vaccine = new profit opportunity, duh.
Until we agree as a species that attempts to better (or save) life on earth don’t need to require more profit, we’re doomed…
Marat1012 t1_j39ygan wrote
There are native bees in North America, but they are not used for honey. Many are solitary. They do a good job pollinating native plants though.
beer_ninja69 t1_j391ut3 wrote
Now, we get lifeless dystopia filled with animal robots and vampire overlords.
lovekatipo t1_j3bi23g wrote
So many good points made in this comment!!! Very depressing though. I wish we would look at alternatives. I’m nervous of human’s constant interference with nature.
Mthepotato t1_j3icvy6 wrote
The mites aren't a vector for foulbrood though, so you can still get it even without any mites. Of course additional stresses might make them vulnerable to it too.
In this case nature invented the vaccine, giving some inactive bacteria for the queen to eat is imo no less natural than beekeeping.
QualityKoalaTeacher t1_j37dwsq wrote
Isn’t colony collapse directly related to pesticides? How will a vaccine help with that?
FutureCanadian94 t1_j37fzfa wrote
According to the article, Pesticides are one of the causes that weaken the immune system which leaves them vulnerable to bacteria. There are also the bacteria that this article is directly addressing and mites that suck the fat out of the bees which also kill them. So, yeah this vaccine isn't going to completely stop colony collapse, but it will help a lot of colonies from collapsing that are collapsing because of the bacteria.
QualityKoalaTeacher t1_j384fy5 wrote
> collapsing because of the bacteria pesticides
Its a bandaid.
Instead of imposing limits or bans on the offending chemicals they create another product farmers have to purchase to protect the bees from the effects of pesticides.
Its a good start I suppose but it also bypasses the root cause of the issue.
BorgesBorgesBorges60 OP t1_j37f4gc wrote
Definitely related, but unsure what percentage of colony collapse can be directly attributed to pesticides (though presumably a hell of a lot)
volantredx t1_j38eg5o wrote
The issue is that without pesticides the crop yields we've seen in the last 30 to 40 years would dwindle and it'd cause issues with farming. It's not as simple as saying "stop doing this and it fixes everything". It'd be more like "stop doing this so we have a different new problem to deal with."
stubby_hoof t1_j3b4z2j wrote
No, that's a false assumption.
Jjex22 t1_j38rnxk wrote
Count down to antivaxers who won’t eat honey made by vaccinated bees has begun 🤣
WatchRedditImplode t1_j3mfhui wrote
"Big Pharma has been great for everything else. Let's set them loose on a fragile bee population." - Modern Leftists
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Fifthhorseman1 t1_j37w8l0 wrote
I feel like this is a sign of things to come for sure. Humans, the supreme rulers of the planet, and increasingly the guardians / managers of every aspect of nature on Earth. Bee sized, autonomous drones could theoretically also pick up the slack, even over protecting real bees, I’m sure the market will decide on that one.
nurley t1_j38woc1 wrote
>Bee sized, autonomous drones could theoretically also pick up the slack
Literally a Black Mirror episode. No thanks after watching that.
laneylaneygod t1_j3ba30a wrote
We don’t rule the planet, at all. We seem to THINK we rule over nature Herself because we have industry and technology that we deploy in oppressive ways.
We desire to rule, but we destroy our species’ future while we grasp to control and dominate the earth, which should be respected as a partner in survival.
Dizzycactus3 t1_j37qnj6 wrote
What happened to Paul Stamets saying he was going to cure them with mushrooms or something?
dougola t1_j38pxbg wrote
I'm concerned that there will be an increase in Myocarditis in teenage, male bees.
skraddleboop t1_j3828ad wrote
I wonder what percentage of the people seeing this immediately recognize the potential threat to humanity encapsulated in that title.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3b3g41 wrote
They are for bee farms which is why you should read past the headlines. Not to mention.. this isn't gonna kill the bees dude.
skraddleboop t1_j3d18os wrote
You are not among the subset I referenced.
Also, you don't know what it would or wouldn't do to bees, dude. You evidently have more faith in biotech firms and the competence and probity of the U.S. government than I do.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3doj1m wrote
Modern medicine is really good what are you on about
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Ulfhednar1988 t1_j3a46be wrote
“If the bee disappeared off the face of the Earth, man would only have four years left to live” -Albert Einstein
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3b3gvp wrote
The vaccine is for bee farms which is in the article and it's not gonna kill the bees so I dunno what you are on about.
Ulfhednar1988 t1_j3c2o58 wrote
You can not say for certain that it will not. How naive do you have to be to think the science is right every time. XD
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3dov4v wrote
It's obviously been tested on bees already you fucking turnip, it's not gonna kill any bees and you will look stupid for thinking it will. I promise.
Ulfhednar1988 t1_j3dpfwe wrote
I didn’t say it would, Im simply stating when you start fucking around with source code anythings a possibility. Can you be certain every bee will react the exact same way to this vaccine. No you can’t you “fucking turnip” lol.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3dx5ts wrote
The vast majority of them will and that's the point.
Vaccines aren't "messing with source code" ur just saying dumb anti Vax shit.
These vaccines are objectively a good thing.
Ulfhednar1988 t1_j3fkql1 wrote
If you don’t think a vaccine can alter source code even in the slightest way you still have a lot to learn grasshopper.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3fmftr wrote
Hahahahahaha vaccines don't alter DNA you dumbass
https://www.unicef.org/montenegro/en/stories/covid-19-vaccine-does-not-change-human-dna
And you wonder why I haven't given you an ounce of respect hahahaha
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3fje3t wrote
Pretending vaccines are "source code" - you don't even know what source code is in software let alone what a vaccine is
Ulfhednar1988 t1_j3flbol wrote
When I say source code I’m referring to the DNA of the bee. I thought you would have understood that right away but I guess with a name like FeFiFoShizzle it makes sense that you didn’t.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3flupc wrote
Vaccines dont alter DNA. Which is why I call it stupid.
Trust me, I knew what you were talking about hence why I call you an anti vaxxer.
Ulfhednar1988 t1_j3fm417 wrote
Fo shizzle my nizzle. If you say so. XD
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3fmgxr wrote
Prove they can.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3fji1h wrote
Pretending they don't test these vaccines before they go to market
Ulfhednar1988 t1_j3fly33 wrote
Doesn’t matter if they tested it on a few colony’s or not. They are trying to play God and messing around with the natural order of things. Anything could go wrong. Why take the chance when all we need to do is get rid of pesticides. Lol
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3fmj4j wrote
You are making up fake scenarios in your head and think vaccines alter your DNA, you are an absolute moron
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skraddleboop t1_j3d0h60 wrote
As Ulfhednar1988 commented:
“If the bee disappeared off the face of the Earth, man would only have four years left to live” -Albert Einstein
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skraddleboop t1_j3dhczz wrote
There are people with sickening wealth and power who believe that the world needs to be "depopulated" because the Earth cannot sustain our species if it continues growing at its current rate. Some of them believe that stopping that growth is also insufficient, and they believe in measures which will cull out the herd - obviously won't affect those with the means to still buy whatever they need regardless of cost - but will cull out the herd. I don't mean to imply that those people are funding or are in any way connected to this "bee vaccine" initiative, but let's just say I wouldn't be surprised if the science backing it up is dubious.
Deliesh t1_j38tc6e wrote
Vaccines are gonna turn bees into a bunch of drones.
willieoshady t1_j39r1z3 wrote
In other news. To help with declining bee populations they have approved a new form of 'bee viagra'. Bee is for boners.
jerry111165 t1_j39pvhm wrote
Man but thats gonna take alot of little tiny vaccine needles
And patience
ExorciseAndEulogize t1_j38i9a0 wrote
Awwww. I absolutely love this.
I had no idea they were working on anything like this. Our bees (and all pollinators, like wasps- even tho I hate those bastards) are so important. Bees are also very gentle.
My friend had a furniture shop where he also cut and cured his own trees for lumber. He had piles of saw dust from where he made his lumber, and the bees would be all over that stuff. They never stung anyone. They just went about their business being cute as shit.
diablito916 t1_j38iw32 wrote
…said the headline on the TV in the background of the latest apocalyptic sci fi movie
Saroan7 t1_j39zu3f wrote
The Great Mass Extinction... Well it was nice knowing y'all
Seeker_Of_Toiletries t1_j3agdud wrote
The deep state is micro-chipping the bees too. They won't stop until they get everyone on their control ! /s
FuturologyBot t1_j37bab1 wrote
The following submission statement was provided by /u/BorgesBorgesBorges60:
Some hopeful news that might avert the mass extinction of our insectoid friends, at least from American Foulbreed disease. And no, it doesn't involve beekeepers marching to every hive armed with tiny needles between their thumb and forefinger:
>The disease is caused by Paenibacillus larvae, a type of bacteria that affects the bee's larvae. The vaccine contains some of that bacteria, and it will be mixed in with the royal jelly, which worker bees secrete from their heads and then feed to the queen and larvae. When the queen eats the jelly, she will ingest fragments of the vaccine that will grant her offspring some immunity against the bacteria.
Could inspire other vaccines and prevent the need for swarms of mechanical bees servicing our fields and gardens and doing the occasional human murder.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/104vv7v/a_biotech_firm_says_the_us_has_approved_its/j376qqq/
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BoggeshZahim t1_j37k7fs wrote
I didn't know I needed a vaccine against honeybees?!
protofury t1_j37njle wrote
Don't listen to them it's a Big Pharma $CAM -- It's really the 5BEE towers that are making people sick!
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Drfeelgood3525 t1_j38e462 wrote
My friend who's scared of bee's but loves plants and animals will be delighted and terrified about this news
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snoopye12 t1_j392olw wrote
This won’t do much to help unless we ban pesticides altogether.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3b3b72 wrote
"The vaccine will be used to help fight American Foulbrood disease in the insects"
snoopye12 t1_j3c26zg wrote
Pesticides are indiscriminate in their effect on insects.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3dozy2 wrote
This isn't caused by pesticides what are you on about.
Everything is a conspiracy for you people.
snoopye12 t1_j3dpkpk wrote
You’re missing my point. This will help prevent disease in bees yes, but a leading cause of falling bee populations lies in the use of pesticides. Bees will pollinate doused crops and bring the contaminate back to their hives, killing whole colonies. I’m only bringing attention to that.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3dx3ml wrote
Show me times where that happens
snoopye12 t1_j3ebnke wrote
Report on neonics in pesticides
Peer reviewed journal on effect of honey bee populations
There are plenty more sources and publications where that came from.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3edu78 wrote
Weird how you couldnt find one for bee farms tho eh?
We are talking about bee farms my dudes.
Tell my why we shouldn't use this vaccine in bee farms. I didn't say pesticides aren't bad for bees.
snoopye12 t1_j3eomoa wrote
I never said we shouldn’t use the vaccine, but it’s clear to me now that talking to you is a waste of time.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3eovg1 wrote
What is wrong with you people?
Why did you even comment then? Lmao
avdpos t1_j3bqy1h wrote
It help a little and if we get many small steps it is something.
Advanced-Depth1816 t1_j393681 wrote
Great so now we can just keep using pesticides? Sounds like a classic “not allowed to interfere with corporations” situation.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3b3aa4 wrote
"The vaccine will be used to help fight American Foulbrood disease in the insects"
God I hate that people upvoted you too, do better people. It's at the top of the article and vaccines aren't for chemicals.
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countsmarpula t1_j39p4w7 wrote
The biotech firm is Dalan Animal Health, Inc. It was buried in a link in the article.
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TheReverendCard t1_j3ajoth wrote
I don't get it. I've never gotten infected with honeybees. Why would I need a vaccine for them?
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3b34g3 wrote
The bees are the ones getting vaccines dude
TheReverendCard t1_j3b4dcj wrote
I'll more clearly label my jokes in the future. Damnit, Poe.
Fun-Bison-3511 t1_j3azu5p wrote
Mass extinction??? Did people forget if honeybees die humans have about 4 more years of existence?
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3b300y wrote
Hence them vaccinating them lol
Fun-Bison-3511 t1_j3b31tc wrote
should NOT even be necessary! it’s a human born issue. just stop making commercial fucking honey
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3b3p8y wrote
"The vaccine will be used to help fight American Foulbrood disease in the insects"
You should strive to do at least a little better. Honey farms aren't bad.
evolutionxtinct t1_j3b1r9q wrote
How will this effect the honey we eat? Not sure if it would just curious.
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PresidentHurg t1_j3bcf6q wrote
I am unsure about how I feel about human intervention to reach high yields on animals (see: mass chicken sheds with large use of antibiotics).
But bees are such friends to not just us but so many species I think it's amazing that we might be able to help them with a problem they struggle with. I know we are actively fucking them up more with our use of pesticides and other crap. But a win is a win.
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Repost-r-Better t1_j3bf1q6 wrote
Not sure this will work. Most of the honeybees I’ve talked to are anti vax.
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EmployeeRadiant t1_j3byr65 wrote
My buddy's dad died of a bee sting. This might be a great thing
WTFOMGBBQ t1_j3dpe4e wrote
Wait for the fascists/GQP to start killing bees on purpose to prevent the government from force vaccinating them via bee stings.
bkponder t1_j3h9m3q wrote
Love the humor but the news is really great. Now if only it was possible to develop a vaccine for the other major bee killer, neonicotinoid pesticides.
teewinotone t1_j3nb6pl wrote
They'll never take it. They won't even wear the masks?
Stars3000 t1_j38ely7 wrote
This is wonderful news. Nice to see humans being responsible environmental stewards for a change
Ulfhednar1988 t1_j3a3duk wrote
Einstein said and I quote “If the bee disappeared off the face of the Earth, man would only have four years left to live” so I don’t think it’s a really good idea for humans to be playing around with source code. Just seems like a really really bad idea.
coughdrop1989 t1_j3alxn7 wrote
I am not for this at all, this or any change from humans or "science" to any living animal. What makes us humans think we are superior then billions of years of evolution? How about find a way to repopulate them by countering the poisons you allow Monsanto to kill these animals with. Yet that'll never happen.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3b32qe wrote
Just like how modern medicine is really good even tho we evolved too?
You aren't actually making sense lol, we are better than nature is at healthcare.
coughdrop1989 t1_j3ciezo wrote
www.findlaw.com/healthcare/patient-rights/can-i-sue-vaccine-manufacturers-.html
Yea because it's not like alternative effects can happen from vaccines right?
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3dopql wrote
Ya it's very rare tho.
Are you an anti vaxxer? Because that's hilarious hahaha. Only stupid people are anti vaxxers dude.
coughdrop1989 t1_j3dw91a wrote
Did you even read the article to where to this day they are still paying fines for adverse effects. It was so bad they had to implement a law so you couldn't sue them and they are still getting sued. I am not an antivaxxer just feel like there is better ways to go about saving the bees. You know by correcting the thing that's killing them herbicides and pesticides. But no one wants to hear that argument do you? You must be pro Monsanto if you're defending them this bad. See how stupid that argument sounds?
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3dx036 wrote
These are for bees on farms.
See how stupid you are being?
coughdrop1989 t1_j3dzo4i wrote
You act like farms don't use herbicides or pesticides on their crops.
See how ignorant you're choosing to be?
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3e4lmh wrote
Bee farms. You turnip. These are bee farms.
And again, this isn't for things caused by pesticides, it's right there in the article that it's a disease found in larvae of farmed bees.
You aren't saying anything smart you are mad about an objectively good vaccine because everything needs to be a conspiracy for you.
This literally improves the lives of bees living on bee farms. Why are you crying about it?
coughdrop1989 t1_j3e5qhk wrote
And where do the bees go to pollinate? You can't control these animals they will eventually go out to do what they are hardwired to do in nature. To pollinate. Most people use herbicides and pesticides. Plus alot of these bee farmers take there bees to pollinate other farms who do use those chemicals. If it's a disease found in nature then who are we to say other wise. Disease is unfortunately natural and I still think trying to "cure" them rather than look at the bigger picture of how they are dying on mass is the bigger issue. Hence why I keep bringing up the chemicals but like I said earlier you don't wanna discuss that do you?
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3e828y wrote
But these bees aren't being killed by pesticides. They are being killed by the disease the vaccine is protecting against, hence the need for a vaccine.
You made that up.
Also:
>Disease is unfortunately natural and I still think trying to "cure" them rather than look at the bigger picture
What the fuck are you talking about. Cancer is natural too should we stop fighting it?
Go suck on some essential oils you are out of your depth here lol.
coughdrop1989 t1_j3ecbb3 wrote
The second to last sentence on the article clearly states that pesticides does weaken their immune system and can also kill them. So maybe, just maybe, if they didn't have a weaker immune system from the pesticides maybe, just maybe, they'll have a better chance at surviving. However I guess the real question is do you inherently believe that this vaccine will be the magical cure to restore the bees population?
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3ed7n1 wrote
It says it's one of many things and yes I absolutely think this vaccine will do a great job of maintaining the population of the bees in these bee farms. That's what it was developed for.
I didn't say "magic" tho- that was you and all it does is prove to me that yes you are absolutely an anti vaxxer conspiracy theorist. Didnt you just say you weren't?
I'd love to hear why you don't think it will work. Why won't it do exactly what it was developed to do?
coughdrop1989 t1_j3ek39e wrote
Never said it didn't or wouldn't work that's all you buddy and yes I do believe certain vaccines are necessary and actually helpful. This I feel like is a knee jerk reaction and not focusing on the bigger problem which is chemicals being sprayed on the plants they use to pollinate. Then the "pests" these chemicals are made to eradicate get stronger and so does the poison.
This has been talked about for decades but no one wants to confront Monsanto. Bees have been around for over 130 million years and it's only since the 1940s, when pesticides and herbicides started being used widely, that they started to decline rapidly. So sure this may be a short term solution but by no means will it be something to awe over. In my opinion which doesn't mean shit.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3ekxyv wrote
No you literally are implying it's not going to help and are making this about bees that aren't at bee farms when that's not what the vaccine is for.
You are using words like "magic" and "certain vaccines are good" - you are so clearly an anti vaxxer lmao.
And a vaccine that takes years to develop isn't exactly a knee jerk reaction lmao.
coughdrop1989 t1_j3emwpn wrote
How far back of an article do you want that says chemicals are causing bees to die? One decade old, two perhaps 3 decades old of what scientist have been saying the bee population has been declining? Because scientists have been blaming herbicides and pesticides, plus human encroachment for far longer then they've been working on this vaccine for bees. How many bees live on these farms compared to the wild? Only numbers I can even find are guesses that there is about 2.5 million bees in north america. Any other sources of how many of these 2.5 million are in farms?
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3enlim wrote
Why the fuck are you still talking about wild bees what is wrong with you
They aren't vaccinating wild bees. Stop talking about it.
coughdrop1989 t1_j3eock9 wrote
So how many bees are in farms. How many? What percentage? Can you answer that or no?
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3eopvi wrote
It doesn't matter. That's not the point of any of this, this vaccine is specifically for bees in bee farms so it's not part of the conversation.
Again, what the fuck is wrong with you? Seriously, you are acting crazier and stupider every comment. It's wild.
coughdrop1989 t1_j3eph2v wrote
And you don't know how to have meaningful dialogue with out bad mouthing someone for having a opinion. Yet the fact still remains you have no idea how many bees are in farms. Neither do I. Only thing I've seen is that there is a guess of approximately 2.5 million bees in north america. If there is say only 10,000 bees in farms then does this breakthrough really matter if the vaccine doesn't do anything. Then if it does, how do we go about doing it for the rest of the population? That is how you have meaningful dialogue. Not sure who hurt you but you know when trying to have an actual conversation you don't have to be a dick right? Other wise what's the point of even talking if we're not even gonna have dialogue. Doesn't even seem like you care to hear my side of things you're just being an asshole for the sake of being one. You must be a trump supporter only they are assholes for no reason.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3eqzks wrote
I'm bad mouthing you because you are pretending I said things I didnt and bad mouthing a vaccine because there are other problems in the world.
You are acting like you are in a Pepsi commercial lmao.
"Let's all hold hands and stop Monsanto instead of giving bees vaccines" - you
Edit: and ya the percent of the bee population that's in farms doesn't fucking matter because THEY AREN'T VACCINATING WILD BEES. Are you really gonna keep talking about wild bees? Why?
This vaccine is to keep FARMED bees populations up. End of story. Wild bees have nothing at all to do with this. Stop thinking about them in relation to this because it's not relevant.
coughdrop1989 t1_j3es5n6 wrote
Okay and how many bees are in farms. How are we to know if the population goes up with out numbers? You got numbers? Forget the wild bees. Fuck them. How many bees are in farms. How many? So we can keep track of their incline or decline of population. When they say 40% have died. Is that 40% of 1,000,000 or 40% of 5,000? Big difference.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3et9su wrote
152 million. 2.8 million colonies. Just in the US.
Pretty embarrassing for you.
coughdrop1989 t1_j3evy5x wrote
In farms? You got the source.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3ezxh7 wrote
You could just google it lol. What do you think I'm lying? Thats you who lies about stuff not me.
It's not like you will read this anyway you will just lie about reading it like you did with the other article. I doubt you can understand either this or the other article I posted anyway at this point.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3fj489 wrote
Here's where you pretend bee farms populations don't matter
coughdrop1989 t1_j3emzlw wrote
It's a knee jerk reaction if you don't follow the science and the science clearly states it's pesticides that are doing the most harm.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3eni1l wrote
No, the science says in bee farms this disease is doing the most harm hence the vaccine to protect against it.
coughdrop1989 t1_j3eo7gi wrote
https://www.planetbee.org/why-bees-are-dying
https://www.thoughtco.com/why-honeybees-are-disappearing-1203584
https://www.epa.gov/sciencematters/understanding-how-pesticide-exposure-affects-honey-bee-colonies
https://actforbees.org/resources/pesticides-and-bees/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/widely-used-pesticide-is-a-buzzkill-for-honeybees/
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coughdrop1989 t1_j3eon18 wrote
And I never said that this vaccine wouldn't be a good thing, just feel like there are other avenues that also need to be explored and may possibly benefit from but they don't wanna go that route. Yet here we are.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3ep3rd wrote
Ya, these are different problems and since the farmers have this immediate problem, a bee vaccine is good.
And you absolutely implied it wouldn't be a good thing, you called it magic in a demeaning way even lmao. You 100% implied it wouldn't help. Do you need me to find the comment?
If you like the vaccine for bees then why are you crying about it?
Bee farmers aren't gonna magically stop pesticides.
coughdrop1989 t1_j3epucr wrote
Yes I did say it was the magical cure all because that's pretty much how you're making it seem and that is just far from true. Noone has even even tried to get Monsanto to stop killing the bees with pesticides so how do we know it doesn't even work? And yes if everyone stood together you'd be surprised at how powerful the people really are. Yet I know that's a tough thing to overcome but not impossible.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3eqv6g wrote
Show me where is said anything other than that the vaccine will help maintain bee populations suffering from the specific disease this vaccine was engineered for specifically in bee farms.
Show me.
coughdrop1989 t1_j3ertmf wrote
? Never accused you of this? You've been very clear in your stance. This vaccine is for the bees on bee farms. My stance is that since pesticides inherently weaken their immune system and I know for a fact these bees aren't in a enclosed box to never ever see the world then their chance of running into a pesticide or herbicide of some kind is of great chance. This with a weakened immune system they can't fight off the mites they've been living with since we'll forever. Bees have been around for over 130 million years. You don't find just a bit coincidental that over that whole time frame in the 1940s they start going into decline? That's my stance never said this was really bad. Wouldn't be my first alternative which I've been very adamant about. Not sure where you're confused on where I stand on the matter.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3etmta wrote
Why are you still talking about wild bees.
Bee farmers dont have alternatives, this is the life we have so a vaccine is a good thing for bee farms and honey production.
We can make a vaccine and also be mad at pesticides.
Also check this out. https://www.wired.com/2016/08/jerry-hayes-how-to-save-the-bees-monsanto/
coughdrop1989 t1_j3exicv wrote
That article says Monsanto doesn't even make pesticides. It's a lie and so the truth comes out. You are a Monsanto fanboy. Now that the dirty laundry is aired out we can go about our day. Kind of funny I never thought I would come in contact with someone who actually advocates for Monsanto. Good read though until the lies so that discredits the whole article unfortunately.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3f03ps wrote
It does not say that. It in fact says Monsanto do make pesticides, it's sort of the point of the article. That's why Monsanto is the "unlikely ally" - it's really simple to understand actually. They wouldn't be an "unlikely ally" if they didn't make pesticides. If you actually read the article you would understand that.
You didn't read it, Don't lie. If you did you would know it doesn't say anything like you claim. It's pretty sad tbh.
Why would you lie about reading this? What a shitty trait to have as a human.
coughdrop1989 t1_j3fdlf2 wrote
The rhetoric offended Hayes’ sense of fairness. He knew that environmentalists linked colony collapse to neonicotinoid insecticides and that they thought Monsanto was somehow to blame. But he also knew that Monsanto doesn’t make insecticides. The company’s most famous product, glyphosate—that’s Roundup—kills plants. Its second-most famous product—Roundup-ready seeds—allows plants to resist its most famous product.
I didn't read it huh? Okay.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3fdu5e wrote
>insecticides
You are really, really not very bright eh?
Roundup is weed killer.
coughdrop1989 t1_j3fgh4o wrote
What? I know what round up is but yea you're right I didn't realize that insecticides are pesticides but they mainly go after a certain stage in the pests life. The more you know. And you just don't stop with the insults do you?
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3fhn6a wrote
Well you keep saying stupid ass shit and calling me a Trump voter or Monsanto Stan among tons of other things.
Your insults don't count tho, I guess? Mine are worse because I said swear words?
I should remind you that you claimed not all vaccines are important, that bee farms aren't a large enough of a population to matter, that the vaccine wont help with foul brood disease, that we shouldn't bother with it because other issues in the world exist, and that anyone who's pro this vaccine is a Monsanto Stan. You also backtracked on basically every one of these claims lol.
Whatever, kick rocks this isn't really fun anymore lol.
Edit: you also got mad about vaccine manufacturers then pretended you weren't anti vax.
coughdrop1989 t1_j3fircd wrote
Wow. You really are a trump supporter if you're this delusional.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3fj20y wrote
Literally everything I said here is documented in the previous comments lol. Want me to prove it?
Edit: i highlighted some dumb shit you said for you.
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3etjmy wrote
>how you're making it seem and that is just far from true.
Here is where you accused me of that
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3fj90e wrote
>I do believe certain vaccines are necessary and actually helpful.
Here's where you imply not all vaccines are good
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3fjlru wrote
Pretending we shouldn't fight disease because it's "natural" even tho you say the cause isn't natural in the same breath
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3fjay1 wrote
More anti vax shit. Do I really need to keep going here?
FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3fjgiy wrote
Pretending the adverse affects of vaccines are enough to kill a whole colony of bees
Trip4Life t1_j3816y8 wrote
I’m allergic to bees so I’m fine with recent trends
MT_Kinetic_Mountain t1_j38g0je wrote
Damn bro, it's not like the bees gave you the allergy. Sounds like a skill issue for your immune system.
BorgesBorgesBorges60 OP t1_j376qqq wrote
Some hopeful news that might avert the mass extinction of our insectoid friends, at least from American Foulbreed disease. And no, it doesn't involve beekeepers marching to every hive armed with tiny needles between their thumb and forefinger:
>The disease is caused by Paenibacillus larvae, a type of bacteria that affects the bee's larvae. The vaccine contains some of that bacteria, and it will be mixed in with the royal jelly, which worker bees secrete from their heads and then feed to the queen and larvae. When the queen eats the jelly, she will ingest fragments of the vaccine that will grant her offspring some immunity against the bacteria.
Could inspire other vaccines and prevent the need for swarms of mechanical bees servicing our fields and gardens and doing the occasional human murder.