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cmacdcz t1_j9p5aw9 wrote

Have you ever tried to drive to the cell phone lot? I swear it might only be a half mile as the crow flies, but the spaghetti layout of the streets makes it a ridiculously long drive.

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peter-doubt t1_j9q2woa wrote

The interchange between 1&9, 22, 21, 78 and the turnpike should fill you with delight, then. I add 4 miles to my trip because I need to follow their roundabout to avoid a roundabout.

Some highway engineers should be lined up against a wall....

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cmacdcz t1_j9q5dd8 wrote

It is so confusing. I fly in a couple times a year. I need to head west on 78 and I swear I’m going in every possible direction before I get to 78 and then there’s a sudden left exit-only down to Newark. I’ve done that a few times also.

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JimTheJerseyGuy t1_j9r016l wrote

I used to be in and out of Newark all the time. Knew the way to 78 West like the back of my hand. One day, I blinked at the wrong time and wound up in downtown Newark.

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thrillhouse614 t1_j9ruoho wrote

That sign leaving the terminals, It’s got 78, 22, 21, 1+9, Turnpike, Newark, Clinton, New York…maybe more. It’s impossible to figure out while driving without coming to a complete stop in the middle of the road.

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Ballgame4 t1_j9tb6bb wrote

Going slowly to try and figure out which lane to be in will likely get you rear-ended or at the very least given the finger.

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multigrimlok t1_j9qy249 wrote

Yeah, pretty much, unless you’re going to Newark, stay in the right lanes of 78 until you cross route 21

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peter-doubt t1_j9r8k4g wrote

You should see what it replaced... 1/9, 22, 21 had a traffic circle.... It's about 49 feet under the ramps, and obliterated.

They built the spaghetti to end traffic jams, and if you're there any weekday you can see that they failed... (Now they're expansive traffic jams)

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ctannr t1_j9sgjcf wrote

pepperidge farms remembers when we didn't have direct ramps to/from the parkway and had to take Lyons ave like real gangsters

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Ok-Bad7002 t1_j9pyoah wrote

Agreed. It was like 10 mins to get from the cell phone lot to a terminal and that's without traffic.

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poofandmook t1_j9qh67g wrote

FFFFFFF that lot!! I had to go there to wait for my sister's flight to arrive, and I swear to God by the time I got there, she was texting me that she was through customs. I hate that airport. I ALMOST prefer when she flies from JFK but that ride is brutal traffic. The airport itself is 10x easier to navigate though.

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nonamethxagain t1_j9rplqu wrote

Line up with the Uber drivers along the side of the road. Now that they put jersey barriers on that dirt patch triangle, that’s the best option. Although I have seen cars waiting on the dirt alongside the new barriers

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ctannr t1_j9sggk3 wrote

lmao have u tried to drive to it before the new signs? it was a single 2x1' tiny sign on the left before terminal A. It was easier to just follow the signs to the Mariott. No one actually knew about the cell phone lot until a few years ago. My friends/family used to just do laps around the loop for a fuckin hour like talladega lmaooooo

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cmacdcz t1_j9zkd2c wrote

Hi, it used the cell phone lot a couple times last summer. I’m not sure when the new signage went up. Years ago are used to go to the Marriott to drink a beer and park for free but now they charge.

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UncleEckley t1_j9ox4zz wrote

Is it supposed to look like an electric guitar?

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6Emptybottles t1_j9p1z0b wrote

Do you remember the busses to anywhere before the Air Train ? Pepperidge Farms remembers

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DerSturmbannfuror t1_j9pgmqp wrote

Torturous, typical bumpy, not-enough-room, drop-off-on the-side-of-the-building-bus experience

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_Dihydrogen_Monoxide t1_j9oxvu9 wrote

Last week I flew out of terminal C and then arrived into terminal A. Then at 9:00 at night I had to find the shuttle bus to terminal b to get to the AirTran back to P4.

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w00dyMcGee t1_j9qcyvu wrote

I just experienced this last week. I flew out of see, but I landed in new terminal A. Very confusing to get back to p4 parking.

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SuperAlloy t1_j9r4xko wrote

If you're only going for a night or two it's worth it to splurge on the short term parking, especially if the job is paying. Walk right out the terminal doors, cross the road, and your car is right there.

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_Dihydrogen_Monoxide t1_j9r5jpn wrote

I’ve done that before but in this case it would’ve been particularly annoying to park at C only to arrive at A and then still have to take the airtrain. The extra cost would have been for nothing.

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Boring_Athlete9618 t1_j9pnncu wrote

EWR website shows their IS a walkable connection. So two options 1) via bus shuttles and 2) a walkway via terminal A garage and a “covered exterior walkway” and one elevator/ escalator. Will have to see how much of a pain that is. They have to replace the air train anyway as it doesn’t connect to long term parking and they’ve know that for a while.

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Boring_Athlete9618 t1_j9q0ofs wrote

I just noticed there is a siding to a service shed for the air train that is closer to terminal A than the current station. Lol. It’s labeled “bombardier transportation” on the image.

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strongarms3 t1_j9qm8dt wrote

This. There is a walkable connection. Take the AirTran to the old P3 stop, which is now the terminal A stop. There is a 10 minutes walk to Terminal A that is super easy.

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css555 OP t1_j9ov6af wrote

The Port Authority spent 2.7 Billion dollars for a new Terminal A, yet did not include an AirTrain connection. It’s either a long walk from the station to the terminal, or a shuttle bus. Real fun with luggage. And unnecessary extra time for your trip.

The red line shows schematically how short of a rail connection it would have been. I think I read that they didn't do a connection now because they are replacing the entire AirTrain system. But that’s no comfort for all the passengers stuck with this situation for several more years. An unbelievably short-sighted design.

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sirzoop t1_j9p0a4d wrote

Probably would be a waste of money and a long delay of opening the terminal to temporarily extend it when they are planning on replacing the entire system

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css555 OP t1_j9ox3af wrote

Read my post.

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css555 OP t1_j9p0pmn wrote

Read this press release....a fully operational new AirTrain is many years away.

https://www.panynj.gov/port-authority/en/press-room/press-release-archives/2022-press-releases/port-authority-advances-commitment-to-building-new-world-class--.html

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Sn_Orpheus t1_j9p22jr wrote

Yes, get my steps in. I'm on crutches and that just won't work. Wheelchairs? You've never truly experienced wait times until you have to wait for someone to push you around. I'm hoping the crutches are temporary for me but for those people that are forever bound to chairs or alternate means of transport, this is abhorrent.

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Sn_Orpheus t1_j9qh7pk wrote

Says the person with two working legs.👍 It’s the old saying about walking a mile in someone else’s shoes. I didn’t realize how absofuckinglutely difficult it is to get around until I lost the use of a leg and both hands are occupied holding crutches. Don’t worry though. If you’re lucky, you’ll live long enough to experience some form of mobility disability and you’ll think back to this post and have an “aha!” moment.

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Sn_Orpheus t1_j9qlhmm wrote

Fascinating. Me as well. Thought I had a handle on what he had experienced. Nope, not even close.

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css555 OP t1_j9p48v1 wrote

Could you be any more callous?

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peter-doubt t1_j9q4c8s wrote

I have a reconstructed knee... How does that help?

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No-Horse987 t1_j9poohr wrote

That's an old picture. A-1 is demolished and flattened. The AirTrain project is next up on the list, after the other two banjo's (A-2 & A-3) are demolished - which is in progress right now. Once that work is done, the rest of the gates will open up (Phase 2). The AirTrain's maintenance shed is where you see "Bombardier Transportation (that is a spur off the main line) and the PA wasn't going to run the new line from there. So you would either take a bus or walk to the P1 station (where the rental cars are presently at - CONRAC will be fully open during Phase 2) The design for the new Terminal A has an extension that will connect with the new Terminal B (which will be a whole new building) in the future. This situation with the AirTrain will be a ongoing situation, as more busses will shuttle passengers between Terminals (Landside) and passengers (Airside). Bottom line: once the new AirTrain is done, it will be a easy - right in front station. But that will be a few years coming since I don't know how long the AirTrain project will take. The new Terminal B is in the pipeline as well. We'll have to bear with for a while.

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vocabularylessons t1_j9se3rv wrote

A major challenge with the new AirTrain project (which is in progress) is that the Port Authority doesn't own much of the land where the new train will be. It's owned by various private entities who all have incentive to not play nice/reasonable in the purchase and land of the needed land.

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storm2k t1_j9p7mcy wrote

that's because they're going to be replacing the current air train. the new one will have a better connection to the new terminal.

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uhwhat2018 t1_j9ps716 wrote

you just take a shuttle outside the tran. Its super quick.

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peter-doubt t1_j9q41yl wrote

>An unbelievably short-sighted design.

You've just defined PANYNJ

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css555 OP t1_j9q4y9q wrote

Add in LGA, possibly the only major airport in the US without a rail connection.

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cttime t1_j9t59xq wrote

That's because the AirTrain is planned to be rebuilt.

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remarkability t1_j9p88ae wrote

Pro tip:

Until the AirTrain replacement, if you’re coming to EWR via transit, use the NJTransit #62 bus from either Elizabeth or Newark Penn train stations, or the #go28 from Newark Broad St.

They stop at all terminals (right outside), operate basically 24/7, and are cheaper than the access fee that Port Authority charges to Airtrain users.

And they’re faster to the terminals than the train + Airtrain + shuttle bus/walk combo.

It’s my opinion that the NEC heavy rail line should go directly under the airport terminal area (like any modern airport in Europe), or at least extend the PATH (both of these options were disincentivized until recently by federal policy), but until then, this is what we’ve got.

But hey, at least they touted the wide arrival/departure car lanes, that’s totally an easy and spatially compact way for thousands of people to arrive. /s

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riellograndma t1_j9pajzu wrote

That’s funny. I just took 62 to get to the airport. I live near Newark so it was only $3 to get to the airport. I will say it’s not for the faint of heart. That shit was overpacked

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remarkability t1_j9ph4uu wrote

look at that: frequent, relatively cheap service is what a lot of people want.

That route could totally support 6-12 min frequencies, especially during all this terminal/Airtrain construction.

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riellograndma t1_j9pkd6s wrote

Ha..your telling me. Have you ever taken the GO28 route as well? Apparently it is similar to the 62 route but more geared towards those that are flying. I’ll continue taking the 62 tho if I’m traveling alone

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remarkability t1_j9pzesh wrote

pros:

go28 is the better choice if you’re coming from along Bloomfield Ave (south of the Bloomfield station), connecting via the MOBO/M&E at Bloomfield/Broad St, or via the NLR at Bloomfield Ave/Broad St.

Luggage storage area and racks, different seating arrangement

It also is a decent choice if you are connecting at the EWR North Area from the #107 bus from NYC, or if you’re parking at P6. (You’d actually take the go28 towards Newark/Bloomfield)

Doesn’t get stuck in Elizabeth traffic (because it doesn’t go there), has traffic signal priority along Bloomfield Ave

cons:

It doesn’t touch Newark Penn (it runs down Broad St), so isn’t as helpful for NEC/NJCL/RVL, or any local buses which terminate there. 62 is way better at that.

It doesn’t run to Elizabeth or IKEA (less helpful for people connecting south of EWR)

It has wider stop spacing, so you might need to walk a bit more if by Bloomfield Ave.

Schedule got changed away from clockface (35m intervals instead of 15/30m) because it takes so long to get to and from the new terminal A.

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peter-doubt t1_j9q3no9 wrote

(leave some time, take light rail from Newark Penn to Broad st)

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thebruns t1_j9p8tp3 wrote

Fun fact: They didnt build a connection between the new terminal toad and the old one, so the bus basically goes to A, then leaves the airport, loops around, and enters again to reach B

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remarkability t1_j9pbeb7 wrote

Oh I know, the bus route looks like spaghetti.

I really hope that will be addressed when the new terminal Two gets built (even with just a bus-only connection) but knowing how they’re proposing connecting the new Airtrain with old B/C (1.5 mile long passageways), it’s clear that people not arriving via taxi are basically ignored.

And the AirTrain won’t even extend to the employee parking area, for the people who go to the airport every single day.

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iampakky t1_j9q483l wrote

No worry, Air train is being redeveloped. It will be fixed in 10 years.

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playdohplaydate t1_j9q2ecv wrote

I thought they had shuttles pick people up from the lots. Did they stop that?

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iamstrugglin t1_j9t0rzn wrote

Huh, I thought they were reconstructing the monorail.

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nonamethxagain t1_j9rr6b5 wrote

I fly out of EWR every week, drive to get there, park in P6, and have never used the airtrain. I fly delta so I only go to terminal B but I know Delta is moving to the new terminal A this fall/winter. Will I have to use the airtrain then? Do you only need to use the airtrain to transfer between terminals?

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css555 OP t1_j9sxted wrote

No, you will still be able to take the bus from P6 to terminal A.

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Deepeye225 t1_j9r7alc wrote

It looks like balalaika from up top

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ellenmaryc t1_j9qot6w wrote

I would love to know what genius came up with the 78 West local/express lanes split. Always a thrill getting over to the left in time. Is there a way to access the 78 West express lanes leaving the airport?

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cheetah-21 t1_j9rc3pa wrote

The flaw where its impossible to walk to the airport?

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dirtisgood t1_j9rdu16 wrote

I get lost every time I try to find it. Now I'm one of those who park on the side of the road.

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finniganstake t1_j9p5lza wrote

EWR has TSA at the gate while most airports have it as soon as you walk in. Everyone has to wait in a cattle call. Which airport is better to you? Plenty of things to complain about but this isn't one of them. Take an Uber if it bothers you that much.

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css555 OP t1_j9pd9zf wrote

I don't mind EWR at all, but this was a major oversight to not connect the AirTrain to new Terminal A. And I don't know what airports you are talking about, but none of the ones I have been to have TSA as soon as you walk in.

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Janderol t1_j9pfvti wrote

Let's waste money connecting AirTrain to the new terminal A then AirTrain is going to be replaced.

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hagemeyp t1_j9p1y6s wrote

I hate this airport and go out of my way to avoid it.

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specialgravity t1_j9p8hy6 wrote

As opposed to? JFK and LGA? Give me a break. Unless you live right next door to them, EWR kicks the shit out of them. Take an Uber and call it a day.

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thisnewsight t1_j9q94o2 wrote

My wife flies A LOT for business. We live 15 min from EWR. I go in smoothly and exit easily.

I tell her to let me know when she’s at baggage claim so I’d leave and pick her up perfectly without being told to leave by the cops.

50000000x better than Logan Airport (Boston)

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