We've got one in Canada in the same vein in the past few days. Oh man does the timing of people coming out of the smoke to criticize their own care seem suspect, given the political climate south of us.

And you're right about bigots, they're always completely incapable of parsing their own frequency bias. For each person like Cole, there tens of thousands of people who enjoy their gender-affirming care. But yes, let's focus on a random person's grievance.

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No worries! Breaking this stuff down is kinda my thing. I like to put my technical writing degree to useful work from time to time. 😉

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I have literally never heard of a substantiated case where a trans kid has gotten an operation that young. She's claiming they started testosterone at 13 and operated at 15, which would still be the youngest ages I've ever heard of. Only rarely are transmasculine kids able to get top surgery before they're 18, and usually only then when they're 17 or older. I've heard of like two cases, personally, of surgery at 16, so what we're talking about here is rare as hen's teeth.

The odds against things happening as Cole claims are kind of astronomical, and there should be a whole series of rails in place to keep hesitant patients from getting these sorts of surgeries. Cis people have this absurd idea that we can just pop in on any doctor for an operation whenever we want, and the reality is just absurdly far from that.

Betting that "surgery" was a just a time-release hormone suppressor implant. "GnRH analogue treatments for children are prescribed, administered and monitored by a pediatric endocrinologist. The medication is typically given as injections, either monthly or every three months, or through an implant placed under the skin of the upper arm. The implant typically needs to be replaced every 12 months." From https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075

Visible confusion

The... The last two bullet points? Did you not read them? Kids can't give independent informed consent, and SoC7 requires it. Generally speaking, and every person is different, it's not until around 16 that a person develops that ability, though occasionally they'll twig it at 15.

It's a question of brain development. This stuff is really well-settled in psychology, medicine, and law.

I mean, I agree, but I'm pretty sure not in the direction you meant.

Find someone else to troll, or go spread your pro-Russian propaganda somewhere else. It's pretty easy to see what kind of person you are from your profile.

? Why so? They seem relatively reasonable from what I'm seeing.

There's just way too much money being tossed around so you're going to see all sorts of losers come out of the wood work to get in on the grift.

Candace Owens was probably the first person to successfully get in on the right wing grift machine and became the model for how to pull it off.

It's super easy to do and especially profitable if you fall into a minority group.

This pickme conservative is going to make bank on their grift now that conservatives have ramped up their genocidal trans rhetoric.

You know you're really spewing bullshit when Joe Rogan is fact-checking you.

Ironically, there's a study posted to /r/science near the top right now that puts the regret rate around 0.3%. That's better than most surgery.

Depressingly laughed at peer-reviewed study. Anti-education, anti-science people would only double down if they saw something of that nature.

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>Transphobes tell us over and over that detransitioning is all over the place, there's hundreds of thousands or millions of detransitioners - and yet they only know about the one or two

Well obviously your aren't going to have thousands wanting to go on media tours. If you want to get a better gauge then look at how many are suing in class action lawsuits.

In the UK a large number of suing the NHS, plus the Tavistock clinic which was responsible got closed down as a results and reviews are ongoing.

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>The Tavistock gender clinic is facing mass legal action from youngsters who claim they were rushed into taking life-altering puberty blockers.
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>Lawyers expect about 1,000 families to join a medical negligence lawsuit alleging vulnerable children have been misdiagnosed and placed on a damaging medical pathway.
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>https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tavistock-gender-clinic-to-be-sued-by-1-000-families-lbsw6k8zd

From that article

> Another example can be seen following her May testimony before Ohio lawmakers: Cole alternates between being unable to answer questions coherently, then responding with apparently rehearsed answers posed by Republican lawmakers.

That’s pretty suspicious

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She’s saying the doctors bullied her parents into consenting which we all know is bull

"certainly we should allow men to take the same hormones that we allow women to take. Seems a bit bigoted that only certain genders are allowed testosterone"

Amongst the most absurd bad faith arguments I have ever read in my life

It's easy to go on the internet and lie, isn't it?

A) the studies in question followed up with trans people regardless of if they revisited their doctors offices, they reached out to people who had received HRT and found that <6% detransition and the majority of those detransition for financial reasons or social pressure.

B) There are no peer-reviewed studies supporting your 80% figure. The vast majority of studies done in that field show similar results to those previously mentioned.

C) No doctors are just handing out puberty blockers. There is a long process behind getting puberty blockers and an even longer one behind getting actual HRT, backed by decades of medical science.

D) Puberty blockers have been historically used (correct) but they were not considered dangerous to mental or physical health. Also, chemical castration like Alan Turing received was done through HRT, not puberty blockers. They are different things. Giving puberty blockers to an adult would be pointless.

E) Related to point C, teenagers aren't "becoming trans" due to social pressure. It is extensive work to be prescribed puberty blockers or HRT. At worst, children may feel it "trendy" to try different pronouns, which doesn't harm anyone and gender exploration is a normal part of childhood. They aren't going out and getting HRT nor are doctors dealing it out that easily.

F) The science in this field is incredibly well established and researched, just because you don't like the results of that research doesn't mean they don't exist. The standards of care for trans youth established by the AMA and similar organizations stand on the back of decades of research, including follow up studies with thousands of participants.

As a final, personal side note: no one believes this fake concern you're presenting here. If you actually gave a shit about trans youth you would understand the reasons why the standards of care currently in use have come to exist. Presenting false concerns allows you to play the "concerned citizen" when you are actually using it as a method to misinform others on the reality of the situation as a method of advancing your personal beliefs.

You have to look at aggregates of studies. You can find the one off studies that say crazy shit like 80% of people detransition in the same way you can find actual scientific papers that "prove" climate change isn't real. That's why it's important to look at more than one study and not cherry pick the studies that further ones particular political argument. The study you are referring to has been debunked as having very sketchy methodology and conclusions. The vast majority of studies find the complete opposite of that one study, but fox news will pick that one and ignore the rest, so that people can say "hey, my opinion is backed by research" 🙃

Here's a literature review of 27 "regret"/"detransition" studies that find the detrans rate exceptionally low, because no one has the time to read through 27 separate studies. Lol. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/

I’m in the process of setting up top surgery with them, I’m just waiting for a date that I can take six weeks off work for recovery. It’s been smooth and relatively quick. My experience has been great so far.

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Kaiser is both an insurance company and a healthcare system in Washington and other states

The current regions are - Washington, Oregon, Southern California, Northern California, Colorado, Georgia, Maryland, Hawaii, Virginia and the District of Columbia.

Only California has Kaiser owned hospitals, the other regions contact with hospitals in those areas. Each region is semi autonomous with slight differences in general policies. Although regions are now being paired up with "sister regions", for example Colorado and Washington State are now linked together but somehow are still technically separate. Don't ask I can't figure it out either.

Kaiser is essentially 2 companies. In Colorado for example, the Physicians are in a group called CPMG (Colorado Permanente Medical Group) which is a for-profit company. The public face of Kaiser has non-profit status. The doctors contract with the non-profit side.

Kaiser as a whole isn't the saintly company they pretend to be. They're the the same group that were dumping people off on skid row in California after all. They were forced to leave Texas because of multiple deaths and multiple law suits. Their care is substandard, quite often it's linked to "protocols" that go against what other medical providers consider necessary and reasonable. I can tell you that it is extremely difficult to get proper care, the more expensive the procedure the more Kaiser will do to delay treatment as long as possible. When total knee replacements are considered to be elective there's a problem. Anything that will save them money and get them higher quality ratings (Forbes etc) they'll do without question. Other procedures, unless it's cancer or cardiac issues for example, well good luck.

We have no way of knowing what is in the medical records that are linked to this lawsuit, my guess is she'll stop the proceedings just before discovery or when KP opts to settle as they are extremely protective of their sunshine unicorns and rainbows image.

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Doing intake with the client and their family and following the entire case from beginning to the end.... I didn't use the word 'expert', which actually does apply here. She didn't say, but sounds like she saw hundreds of cases. If out of two hundred cases she could have reasonably managed (taking a conservative guess - she saw intake calls rise from 10 to 70 per month) a dozen ended badly, would be six percent. That's a large number and numbers don't fully convey suffering of each individual.

It should raise red flags that only a couple of doctors are involved in approving surgery and hormones with life altering consequences, including loss of fertility for woman, and a lifetime of health problems for many, due to the powerful systematic effects of the medicines involved.

Letting kids pull the trigger on these procedures... I don't think you read the article. You don't think anything odd about groups of girls from the same high school suddenly coming in and saying we're actually boys. In my opinion, hormones and surgery don't make them boys any more than plastic surgery made Michael Jackson look white or Mary Tyler Moore look young.

Historically, most people who wanted to be the other or both sexes, just dressed and acted and lived the part.

It's not that simple in my opinion. She is obviously not in on this alone, and there seemed to be an effort to present herself as an infantalized child victim at 18 and it's really off putting. If she really had a surgery at 13 that's out of the norm and weird but all the extra grifting on top is a different issue.

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