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Higgsb912 t1_isl983e wrote

"It's unclear if the mother will face charges" WTF?

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TheFirstSophian t1_isld6mf wrote

We know nearly nothing, withhold judgment until even the barest of details come out. Possibly accidental, possibly homicide, we don't collectively know yet.

Edit: saw the Twitter update. Sounds like murder. Investigation ongoing.

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Fizzicyst t1_islf30m wrote

Replying to mtarascio (#118,933)

Not even Bébé's Kids are bad enough that you need a knife.

If I had to guess, this was either a horrible accident or the mom had some sort of psychotic episode; either drug-induced or from an underlying mental illness.

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Blenderx06 t1_isligp3 wrote

Replying to Higgsb912 (#118,846)

Emphasis on face I think, as someone deemed mentally unfit to stand trial wouldn't, would they? Doesn't mean they go free though, they would be kept in an institution.

This is horrible.

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thetaFAANG t1_isljl3o wrote

we're going to keep raising rates until they are no more dependents to stab to death

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Beard_of_Maggots t1_ism1fri wrote

Replying to Fizzicyst (#119,044)

In my town some women stabbed 6 of her kids and two of their cousins to death. She's thought she had to stab them first before the devil could do it.

I'm still confused as to how it's physically possible, as several of the kids were teenagers. How did none of them manage to escape? They kept the details scarce, so we'll probably never know

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TheFirstSophian t1_ism1wox wrote

Replying to BuffaloWiiings (#119,181)

According to the video of the press conference posted elsewhere, there was a stab wound to the neck on the daughter. However, as the mother said 'I killed my daughter', it's not looking... great for her. It's likely murder.

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Silent_Cash t1_ism625s wrote

I drove past there Friday and thought it looked nice..wtf

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SexyAcanthocephala t1_isme6zt wrote

I hate how society just lets maniacs raise kids. Think of the sheer horror at five to be killed by your parents. Human beings are so garbage. I hate this planet. Just don’t have kids. I can’t say more lest I be called a eugenicist but we need to do something as a society to prevent child murder. What is going on…

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PointOfFingers t1_isment7 wrote

Replying to Higgsb912 (#118,846)

Another report says mother is being questioned by the homicide unit so I think charges will be coming later. They still don't know where the stabbing happened as the mother showed up with her daughter at a hospital and confessed to stabbing her in a park.

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dathomasusmc t1_ismghc7 wrote

Replying to TheFirstSophian (#118,996)

Most Redditors don’t even bother to read the articles. They glance at the headline, make a snap judgement on the situation, post their opinion which may or may not be relevant but is almost certainly uninformed and move on.

What makes it worse is how the media routinely writes inflammatory headlines that may be technically accurate but are also highly misleading.

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upsidevalue t1_ismnm0e wrote

There is evil on this Earth. So tragic.

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leopard_eater t1_ismv3f9 wrote

Replying to SexyAcanthocephala (#120,688)

I genuinely believe that you should have to apply for a parenting license, a farming license, and a pet ownership license, and their should be training courses for each.

I’m totally ok with the parenting preparation classes to be free and a little bit generic, because I don’t want there to be income and racial biases to obtaining a license. But I want that license to come with renewals, perhaps an annual early years short course and then some spaced out ones until annual teenage ones, but seriously there are so many fucked up parents out there, it’s incredible.

And suffice to say - though I haven’t done too bad of a job so far with my kids (three are grown up, happy relationships, good jobs and we are all close, one still at home who even talks to me when not attached to protein and an electronic device), I would have loved to have had some parenting classes at times, or just someone to ask questions. Every parent has at least some challenging situations with their children, from not knowing if they’re teething or how to handle teenage backchatting.

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StuperDan t1_ismwa7m wrote

Replying to leopard_eater (#121,459)

Who gets to decide who is allowed to procreate? You? People who agree with your worldview? What happens if you don't agree with the deciders?

You can't legislate biological functions and imperatives. You might as well make a law requiring rain only on Wednesdays. No human is capable of playing god this way.

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leopard_eater t1_isn23zu wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#121,567)

If we actually made this commensurate with more supports for families, it could work.

I’m watching the announcement made last night by our Australian PM about the increase in parental leave from 3-6 months, paid by the government. That is on top of the four weeks paid sick leave that women can accrue to help them initially prepare for and/or recover from the initial phases of childbirth, and the four weeks paid annual leave that they can also take.

Given that a spouse can also take four weeks of personal or carers leave (for holidays, the birth or anything), this means that a woman and her partner can take four weeks off before the birth (birth parent), four weeks annual leave or sick/carers leave after the birth (spouse supporting finances during that time), then they can choose to mix it up how they want from there.

Additionally, many workplaces offer additional paid or unpaid maternity leave and parent leave, most Australian low and middle income earners get a child supplement payment fortnightly, and if the birth parent suffers serious medical injuries due to the birth and needs more time off, their compulsory fortnightly retirement account pays a stipend after three months, and the employer is obligated to keep their job open for up to two years from the claim. They can backfill it during this time, but they must retain the birth parents right to return after recovery.

Let’s see if this increases birth rates. It might not, but I’m curious.

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leopard_eater t1_isn2l2r wrote

Replying to MaximilienHoneywell (#121,614)

I know, it’s so hard to understand what to do.

It would be nice if there were more parenting classes that could simply be sent to your phone if you subscribed. I also know in Australia there used to be a parent line where you could call at any time and say that you couldn’t handle your child screaming or you were feeling depressed, and they’d give you strategies to calm down or send help out to you if you needed it. I also know that Utah had a ‘baby return slot’ in the side of some hospitals where you could essentially surrender your baby by putting it into the slot, ringing the bell and leaving, no questions asked.

Some of these sorts of things can help parents that just can’t handle it. And that’s ok if they can’t, I’d rather their child be safe and them not having to be a parent anymore if they don’t want to be.

But agreed, there really isn’t a way to ensure that a parenting license doesn’t become eugenics or christofacism, though I wish it wasn’t so.

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leopard_eater t1_isn64cq wrote

Replying to mreed911 (#121,857)

Yes, to the tune of 0.1% of our federal budget, which is less money than our last PM spent of tax payers cash to fly to Hawaii to meet with the head of his evangelical Christian church, and then diverted into said church as charitable donations.

We know what democratic socialism means in Australia and we fucking like it.

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Isord t1_isn6b5z wrote

Replying to SexyAcanthocephala (#120,688)

You are never going to prevent all bad things from happening. It's not like there is some crazy epidemic of moms stabbing their kids to death. It's in the news precisely because it is uncommon.

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EnvironmentalSound25 t1_isn6tgb wrote

Replying to Isord (#121,966)

Sorry, I guess I’m not being clear — I’m not referring to controlling who is allowed to procreate at all. My point is that many societies already do have some systems in place to control the conditions under which children may be raised. No forced abortion nor sterilization required.

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Archmage_of_Detroit t1_isn7zof wrote

Replying to MitsyEyedMourning (#119,020)

It's rarely that clear-cut, especially if you're basing your opinion on a headline.

Take Andrea Yates, the woman who became famous for drowning all 5 of her children. This case is unique because female family annihilators are virtually unheard of.

Sounds awful, right?

But then you learn the details. Andrea Yates was severely mentally ill. Like diagnosed schizophrenic, hearing voices, multiple suicide attempts, etc. She was on medication, and her doctor advised her not to have more children, as her post-partum psychosis was terrible and getting worse with each one. But then her husband, a devout Christian, convinced her to go off her meds and have another child. A few weeks after that appointment, she was pregnant with baby number five.

After the baby was born, her husband left her alone with all the kids one day and went to work, despite her doctor telling them, again, not to do this under any circumstances. In the twenty minutes interval while she was unsupervised, she drowned the children. She claimed to have been hearing voices, and was convinced God wanted them back in heaven.

Her husband is arguably the guiltier party here, and he displayed basically no remorse. After Andrea was forcibly committed to a mental institution, he got married again and had even more kids.

So yeah, snap judgments are bad.

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autumnnoel95 t1_isofcq8 wrote

Replying to Isord (#121,957)

He's still allowed to be frustrated and upset at the world. Sure, it's rare to have parents kill their children. But statistically if you're a child and murdered, it's probably by one of your loved ones. That's pretty fucked. No, you can't prevent all the bad things happening. You can only control your own actions, like being compassionate towards others perhaps

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SleazyMak t1_isp28re wrote

Replying to leopard_eater (#121,815)

When all proposed solutions are worse than the problem they’re trying to solve, you’re left with finding another solution (there is none) or accepting that some problems can’t be fully solved.

Better education and free access to mental health services would help this problem - but there’s no solving it as Americans would revolt if you tried to ban certain people from having kids. And they’d be right to do so.

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