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irkli OP t1_iy5m30r wrote

The only things big enough to push oligarchs like musk around are large states to which he is beholden.

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Thoughtful_Mouse t1_iy5mb2s wrote

China is manipulating the public discourse about a lot of things. It's probably why their own government is so paranoid about outside influence and the internet; because they know how much damage they are doing with it.

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yhwhx t1_iy5mh4f wrote

It sucks that Elon Musk's Twitter is helping the CCP instead of the people of China.

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Freexscsa t1_iy5mmf8 wrote

This is why there was so much authoritarian money in the Twitter deal is for exactly this to happen.

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DeathByGoldfish t1_iy5mmj1 wrote

See those 2 million account signups per week Elon has been touting?

Now you know one reason why.

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IceColdTear t1_iy5n0xw wrote

Now we know where the record sign-ups came from!

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SexyOldHobo t1_iy5nasi wrote

Or as Elon calls it when hes exposing himself on an airplane or being Reply Guy roflcopter on his catered online experience, it’s “freedom of speech”.

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CAndrewG t1_iy5oe07 wrote

Elon saying Twitter will be the world’s town square for news dissemination… lmaooo

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DistortoiseLP t1_iy5p5zu wrote

I still remember back in 2010 when people thought social media was going to turn out better than this.

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infamous63080 t1_iy5qra7 wrote

Just looked and there's only protest images. Not sure why this is an article.

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Super_Fudge_1821 t1_iy5rr1f wrote

Yep when they invading your privacy gotta turn on the porn?

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irkli OP t1_iy5scn5 wrote

Replying to DistortoiseLP (#746,550)

The failure of the American internet began 1 Jan 1993 when the military and commercial domains were split, commerce sold to the corps the owned the lines.

The internet infrastructure should have been handed to the US Postal Service, which was exactly the sort of entity needed to run it. They already "thought that way" -- equal service to rural and city.

Most sensible countries run internet that way. Yet another way the US is inferior, like health care.

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FaeryLynne t1_iy5sl9k wrote

Replying to infamous63080 (#746,912)

Because you're searching in English. From the above article:

>Beginning late last week and into Monday, searches in Chinese for major protest hotspots

(Emphasis is mine)

Twitter gives you search results based on your location and previous searches. This is deliberately targeted at preventing Chinese people from knowing what's going on in their own country.

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irkli OP t1_iy5surx wrote

Replying to Super_Fudge_1821 (#747,091)

Yes you do. It works like this:

Citizens are posting tons about SUBJECT MATTER. Bad actors (CCP) then post floods of SUBJECT MATTER with porn attached. Spam filters see porn, then start filtering SUBJECT MATTER too. Then it all gets taken down as if it were the same thing.

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randomnighmare t1_iy5teb0 wrote

A Chinese company gave Musk money to buy Twitter (along with other companies from other countries) but this is only the start of Twitter turning into a worse place than FB.

Edit:

I can only find one company from China but here is something:

Here is a list of the companies that gave Musk money. A certain Chinese company gave him, $500 million.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/who-is-financing-elon-musks-44-billion-deal-buy-twitter-2022-10-07/

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bel9708 t1_iy5twq9 wrote

Replying to pineconebasket (#746,610)

Elon didn’t get played. He knew exactly how much power twitter had when he bought it. This is why he bought it. Now he can curry favors from authoritarians by helping them silence decent

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Airman4747 t1_iy5u88i wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#747,096)

Hey real quick, can you give me the number to Antifa? Specifically their leader.

I can do that with EVERY right wing terror group. Do you know why? They actually exist.

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AdonisAleus t1_iy5u9s3 wrote

Replying to StrongestMushroom (#747,256)

I wonder if that sounded better in your head.

Like why would Antifa want to join the NSDAP? The Communists I could see, but the Nazi's?

And besides, if I want to see a Nazi flag being flown unironocally, I'd just go to a Republican event.

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pattydickens t1_iy5ubri wrote

Replying to signal_two_noise (#746,748)

What else is there for someone with vast wealth to do but act like a pathetic little boy? /s It kills me how these idiots can't just shut up and enjoy a life that 99.99 percent of the world can't even imagine.

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wirthmore t1_iy5ujbj wrote

Replying to DeathByGoldfish (#746,021)

Twitter owes $1,000 million a month in interest alone, not even counting salaries and servers etc.

Twitter needs 63 weeks of “2 million [$8 subscription accounts] a week” just to cover their debt payments.

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StrongestMushroom t1_iy5x20r wrote

Replying to AdonisAleus (#747,570)

I see you completely missed the point I was making. Makes sense, you guys spent the last two years looting Target when you should have been in school. I can understand why your reading comprehension would be a little behind.

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JohnSpikeKelly t1_iy5xhb9 wrote

I'm waiting for Twitter to be banned in China. Problem solved -- for them.

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JustAnotherHyrum t1_iy5ymnc wrote

Replying to StrongestMushroom (#748,070)

Did you just switch gears from AntiFa to a completely separate group looting stores?

You do realize that the store looting is not AntiFa and that the vast majority of those who agree with AntiFa philosophy (fascism is bad) doesn't support the store looting?

You're just lumping all of your bogeymen into one pile in hopes that something works.

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Upstairs-Injury9660 t1_iy64o7j wrote

I guess Apple and other advertisers don't enjoy free speech

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StrongestMushroom t1_iy64ras wrote

Replying to AdonisAleus (#749,080)

Yeah you're right, I should have said "burning Target" not "looting Target." Because in your own mind when I say looting, I must be talking about people of color, and I guess your thoughts make me a racist.

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Hand_Banana_0082 t1_iy6549u wrote

Funny. Why would they want to drown out the stories when I think some Redditor said that anti-CCP and anti-Xi protests happen all the time in China, even Shanghai. I'm guessing protests aren't that common and this is a big issue.

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Mushroom_Tip t1_iy6550x wrote

Replying to pineconebasket (#746,610)

Elon didn't get played.

The losers who thought a narcissistic billionaire cared about them got played.

You're spot on with your 2nd assessment though. The reason Elon came out of nowhere saying Taiwan should be part of China is because he wants to be in bed with authoritarians. As long as they have money. Chinese, Saudi. Elon is a slut for anyone with money right now.

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Bokth t1_iy67obl wrote

Replying to pattydickens (#747,580)

But how will I know he exists????

Oh yea just donate a B and sail off to your island. Google search would be: X owns an island. X donated a B.

Wow much cooler and it cost 1/44 of only the most recent ehhh boondoggle I guess.

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Chippopotanuse t1_iy69hym wrote

Replying to CAndrewG (#746,393)

He says Twitter will be a town square like it’s a good thing.

You ever go to a town square? There’s five crazy people with bullhorns yelling insane shit 24/7.

Why is that his ideal?

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TintedApostle t1_iy69xnv wrote

Replying to Chippopotanuse (#750,394)

YouTube search "Hyde Park Corner". Its the London "free speech zone" of Hyde Park.

If this is Elon's idea of a town square - hard pass. I have gone to HPC for fun, but to actually engage in conversation? Nope.

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GuitarGeezer t1_iy6alr5 wrote

I think this reinforces the likely truth that Elon Musk has no idea what he is doing and maybe never entirely did. Also, it reinforces the divestment of the world republics away from China. Putin’s war of imperial aggression and China’s games with Taiwan prove that it was always a mistake to engage on substantial trade with totalitarian scum and that they are always an enemy and can never be a friend or partner.

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Cognitive_Spoon t1_iy6b8nh wrote

Replying to kwangqengelele (#748,903)

It's a scam. Those eight eddies are nothing compared to the botnets being propped up by eight million eddies.

You can use an AI to make 5 pics of someone who doesn't exist in thirty seconds. Take those five pics, slap them on a bot account, and viola, you got a bit that "looks" like someone who can't be reverse image searched. Someone unique.

Social Media is about to get massively less easy to parse.

It's always been a game played by corpos, it's just going to get harder to play if you don't got the buy in money.

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serenidade t1_iy6fqhs wrote

And Musk, with all his wailing about bots and free speech absolutism, is 100% okay with this bullshit. Because he doesn't have actual morals. Like the fascist politicians he idolizes, the outrage is feigned--just a tool of manipulation to get what he wants.

Add him to the pile of self-serving pieces of shit with far too much power over our democracy.

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Aazadan t1_iy6g350 wrote

Replying to Chippopotanuse (#750,394)

That's literally how Alex Jones got started. He started on street corners in Austin screaming his nonsense and handing out xeroxed pamphlets on the secret cabals of moloch worshippers.

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fuber t1_iy6gaxt wrote

They probably need someone to manage Twitter better. Sounds like a shitshow

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ken54g2a t1_iy6gn57 wrote

raising *arousals among researchers

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JohnGillnitz t1_iy6pl09 wrote

I think the only people still on Twitter are there to set it on fire or watch it burn down. They aren't there to fix the building, but to see it explode.

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IKeepDoingItForFree t1_iy6uf7e wrote

Replying to bel9708 (#747,499)

This - why do like 6 or 7 billionaires/multi millionares own almost every paper in every country, and keep buying more and more local ones when able too - despite like 3 decades of the same news telling us "newpapers are dying we need bailouts and government funding" - its not about profit, its about controlling a narrative. Just look at Murdochs hold in Australia news and journalism in general- how he can basically set politicians that he backs up for success or have multiple papers run attack ads constantly against those he doesn't like.

Its the same thing, just running on the digital platform. Its also why Old Money Murdoch backed a bunch of bills to try and shut down linking to articles online, or having to pay to link (link tax) for YouTube descriptions because it means those who actually do independent reporting cant cite sources without paying him for using the URLs as citations. But that case, I also dont trust the other side either (twitter, youtube, FB, Google) - its a no win scenario for the average joe as either corporations get some more power, or murdoch and old money media threatened by new media upstarts and independents does.

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Hot-Bint t1_iy6umqj wrote

Wow, this New Twitter™ is really bringing the public trust. Thanks, Elon!

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irkli OP t1_iy6zmyb wrote

Replying to JohnGillnitz (#753,650)

It was! In late 1993 we had the very first commercial T1 from MCI Govt Sys Div. From SF we could ping London in 10 mS (I think it was), two hops.

Ummm maybe with you? Lol

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irkli OP t1_iy70z9f wrote

Replying to vanman33 (#751,246)

Not off hand. I'm not sure it was ever seriously proposed that USPS run it. In 92 I was managing an internet "share" that grew into in ISP ("toasternet") in 93, 94. Before that I was doing FidoNet stuff. I had my hands full then.

Maybe cypherpunk archives. Early/pre EFF. Though I later ran then sold an ISP I was in it for the network building. By 95 it was over, big money taking over as is now quite obvious.

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irkli OP t1_iy71c86 wrote

Replying to JohnGillnitz (#753,758)

I'm surprised it's still running. Time will tell if it's just solid work done in the past, amazing luck, or maybe us bystanders don't know as much as we like to think.

The thing about the unknown is, you don't know what it is.

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CXB1313 t1_iy7jevj wrote

so what's Reddit's excuse?

Been scrolling fir 20 minutes, only seen this and one other post about the samw thing.

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FlightAble2654 t1_iy7ltkr wrote

China has never wanted to be an open country. Everything is monitored, including media. Russia and China are very much the same. Block any leaks from the people. Jail them for doing so. Or.....rehabilitate them..

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ShakeMyHeadSadly t1_iy82ddp wrote

What a secure communications platform./s

Well done, Elon.

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tawaydont1 t1_iy82qkd wrote

Just because Elon spoke out everyone is trying to kill his wealth when he was all for the liberal agenda everyone was kissing is but it could be the USA government trying to spark this stuff to keep all of the bad headline out of the news like strikes, tech job losses, the lack of food on stor shelves, the lack of healthcare, etc.

We all know how bad Covid really can be for poor under developed areas of countries and in the elderly population maybe china will come out with some real number because of all the protest.

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tawaydont1 t1_iy8326i wrote

Replying to GuitarGeezer (#750,656)

We need the cheap goods to keep wages low and everything thing else high we can't pay for government services like schools, roads, water systems, etc because we can't keep taxing people yet when people move from red states to blue they generally stay unless the climate is stable no hurricane or tornadoes.

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akatokuro t1_iy8tec1 wrote

Replying to Fun-Gap4015 (#761,524)

It's almost like fiction is an avenue to critique and act as a mirror for our shared common experiences. It's like saying that it's dystopian that when facing drought and economic hardship people think about The Grapes of Wrath.

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sedativumxnx t1_iy8wbq2 wrote

Lalalala, censorship takes many forms, lalalalala

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irkli OP t1_iy8z8dg wrote

Replying to OS6aDohpegavod4 (#762,503)

That is an excellent question. Many eu countries do it this way. But pipes don't have the same liabilities/exposures as the media sites do. Some of this is long and we'll studied, tl;dr here.

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irkli OP t1_iy90an7 wrote

Replying to tawaydont1 (#762,404)

He makes really bad decisions. He says terrible things. His major advantage in life is that he has a lot of money. He makes for a very disappointing "hero".

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JohnGillnitz t1_iy9d4pe wrote

Replying to irkli (#755,694)

Not in London I'm afraid. There wasn't much in the way of security back then and every workstation had a real IP address. Even though Windows 3.1 didn't have an IP stack (Trumpet Winsock to the rescue!). I found a web server that ran on Windows (limited to short file names) and turned my office desktop into one. We would also do DOOM II LAN parties and see who could find the most disgusting pornographic picture (before Netscape was a thing). My supervisors, 40-something ladies who were mostly former school teachers, were instigating the whole thing. It was nuts.

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a8bmiles t1_iy9ncpv wrote

Replying to rangeDSP (#747,628)

There used to be a Shadowrun subreddit highlighting events in real life and their already existing parallel in Shadowrun lore. Maybe it's still around and I just can't find it now.

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dofffman t1_iy9pbbn wrote

Replying to irkli (#747,185)

omg yes. I never thought of that despite the fact I keep on wishing you could get an email from the post office that you would be assured of not losing. allow one for free with limited storage per citizen and then sell additional addresses and storage.

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joe-re t1_iyak19k wrote

Replying to irkli (#747,185)

That's the way it was handled in the beginning in Germany. Telekom, a state owned company, had a monopoly on the infrastructure. It was privatized in 1996, but the state owned most of it.

Internet access and speed severely lagged behind other countries, but costs were higher. This is still the case.

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2020willyb2020 t1_iyaq505 wrote

So they took our culture of overwhelming spam and porn ads (since congress can’t pass regulations ) and weaponized it against us so we can’t get to the truth….sounds about right

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irkli OP t1_iyau1bd wrote

Replying to joe-re (#783,193)

Bummer. Recalling experience back in the BBS modem days, yeah, a lot of European telcos were quite retrograde. So I can see how that would happen.

"Someone" must have done a survey of approaches to this. Maybe eff would know.

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AncomDuck t1_iyc2r43 wrote

Here is a Github repository that contains almost all the videos about the protests. It also has a timeline summery. The protests are spreading from universities to several major cities. The materials here are not translated, but maybe try using google translate or other similar tools to see for yourselves.

https://github.com/zy-dsj-sm/Protest-2022-11

This is the biggest wave of protests since Tank Man, people of China Mainland finally start to wake up. The major wave of the protests started with a tragedy happened in Ürümqi, the capital city of the Xinjiang province. That city has been under super strict zero-COVID policy lockdown for over 100 days. That means all the citizens has been locked in their home. A few days ago, an apartment building caught fire but people weren't able to escape due to all the exits were locked. So about 10 including children were burnt to death. The CCP of course denied everything, and people decided they have had enough of this dog shit.

Lots of the protesters in those videos were not covering their faces, because they already know the CCP can and will track them done through cell phones, CCTVs and all kinds of surveillance networks. Some of them are holding blank papers without any words on it, that means whatever they want to say, CCP won't allow it, but also people know what they want to say. The words used in these videos and photos are about stopping the zero-COVID policy, the Xi Jinping dictatorship and the CCP; and asking for freedom, basic human rights and justice.

Source: Chinese college students

"Do you hear the people sing? Singing the song of angry men? It is the music of the people who will not be slaves again!"

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HokieScott t1_iydv5xx wrote

Replying to irkli (#747,185)

There were rumors back then that the USPS was going to collect money for each email sent. Under a law that only the USPS can handle letters except if it had to be there nextday/2day, thus allowing UPS/FeDex/DHL/AirboneExpress/etc. to also deliver documents.

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akatokuro t1_iye10tw wrote

Replying to Fun-Gap4015 (#814,494)

Oh I forgot, because it's Steinbeck it's hallowed and up on a pedestal. Meanwhile because some games include extremely predatory gambling mechanics, that means the writers for other games must be low-brow and deplorable.

In order to get a quick jibe in you also ignored the substance of why your original comment didn't work. Cyberpunk fiction has been one of the most prognosticative sub-genres since its' appearance over the last half century and 2077 is no different. It is yet another example of reality seeming to imitate the art that critiques our own reality.

A person experiencing drought and economic depression thinking about how much The Grapes of Wrath is like the reality they are going through is just the same--art based off reality being prescient of events that have not yet come to pass. It literally doesn't matter what type of art it is because your criticism is that it's dystopian that people relate to art.

But sure, video games bad and OP should be ashamed for experiencing emotion.

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Fun-Gap4015 t1_iyepou2 wrote

Replying to akatokuro (#818,303)

I'm not reading your thesis on the comparison of cyber punk and grapes of wrath.

I wish you put as much effort into proving your point on the internet to strangers, as you do with the rest of your life.

This is such a reddit moment am I right

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Fun-Gap4015 t1_iyfeigo wrote

Replying to akatokuro (#827,800)

You're upset because I don't think you're right. That upsets you because you're emotionally immature. How else could my simple trolling upset you, oh modern man.

Controlling narcissistic behavior, upset because I won't do what you want. Congratulations, in wisdom we call that a freebie.

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