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greatBLT t1_j2da7h3 wrote
The deadliest by a single person, yeah, but the deadliest mass shooting in US history is still the Wounded Knee Massacre in 1890.
HermitKane t1_j2dzfoa wrote
Ninety Lakota killed by nearly five hundred US Calvary with four mountain guns.
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AudibleNod t1_j2dkj6s wrote
The Alamo was in another country and done by two militaries. Pearl Harbor was also a military action. 9/11 wasn't a shooting.
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rebo9520 t1_j2f6q0j wrote
Pearl Harbor?
AskingAndQuestioning t1_j2f8crc wrote
TIL Pearl Harbor was a deadly mass shooting…
rebo9520 t1_j2f8kyx wrote
I mean there were a lot of people shooting, the boats got bombed and strafed. I don’t see how it doesn’t fit the definition.
AskingAndQuestioning t1_j2f8t2c wrote
We call that a battle in a world war.. while you’re not technically wrong in a very literal sense, these are separate things being talked about.
rebo9520 t1_j2f9gj7 wrote
The more that I think about it the more I think that Pearl Harbor and wounded knee are very similar. A surprise attack by a military of a nation just showed up and attacked another nation.
AskingAndQuestioning t1_j2f9k1j wrote
You’re trying way, way too hard for something that is entirely irrelevant to this situation. Go somewhere else.
rebo9520 t1_j2fa2qu wrote
Lol at telling me to go somewhere else, your username is “askingandquestioning” obviously a misnomer.
AskingAndQuestioning t1_j2fajqo wrote
I questioned your logic, researched very briefly about the most fatal us military battle, confirmed Pearl Harbor wasn’t a deadly masa shooting, and answered your brilliant questions. Explain the misnomer to me? Quite the “nou”, my friend.
rebo9520 t1_j2fay7m wrote
My friend, I am merely pointing out that calling wounded knee a “mass shooting” leads to every battle ever on us soil being a mass shooting. Therefor either wounded knee isn’t a mass shooting or if it is it isn’t the most deadly. Pearl Harbor is just a good comparison for wounded knee because it wasn’t a battle planned for by both sides and the countries weren’t at war yet.
AskingAndQuestioning t1_j2fbvzr wrote
Calling Wounded Knee a “battle” is where you’re mistaken. And while we weren’t “at-war” on paper with Japan before Pearl Harbor, we were funding the Allies (hence the attack). Saying we weren’t“in a war” before Pearl Harbor is like saying the Cold War wasn’t a war.
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rebo9520 t1_j2f8vqk wrote
Wasn’t a war yet, if 15 Japanese citizen came to America got ar-15s and starting shooting people in Times Square is that a battle in a war?
AskingAndQuestioning t1_j2f9ecp wrote
Fine then, if you’d like to be pedantic the most deadly mass shooting, on American soil, is the Battle of Antietam.
Glad we covered that, on to: the relevant shit that actually matters, like the actual definition of mass shooting this title is referring to.
rebo9520 t1_j2f9lyr wrote
Wounded knee being a mass shooting is just as pedantic as Pearl Harbor or Antietam. When people say mass shooting they are almost always referring to these lone wolf revenge fantasy fucks, not planned military actions whether they be war crimes or not.
AskingAndQuestioning t1_j2f9p50 wrote
Refer to my other comment, and be unnecessarily pedantic elsewhere.
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AskingAndQuestioning t1_j2fa4z8 wrote
You’re insufferably persistent aren’t you? I do not care what you think, Pearl Harbor is not what is referred to as a “mass shooting” have a nice day.
rebo9520 t1_j2fagy4 wrote
You have besmirched me and I demand satisfaction
noodles_the_strong t1_j2e3zjt wrote
And we still don't know why either.
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chrisaphoto t1_j2eouaz wrote
This FBI had found no motive when they closed their case:
Edit: I see you edited your comment to remove the line that said the FBI had determined it was because he was a Republican. I’ll leave this comment up.
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chrisaphoto t1_j2eqrex wrote
No, like I literally say in my comment, I was responding to your original claim that the FBI had determined that that was his motive, which you have now removed from your comment.
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LevelSample t1_j2erzuv wrote
just curious, what do you mean by "barely even a blip on the radar"?
smitteh t1_j2fjbgc wrote
probably a part of being human and staying sane is blocking stuff like this out mentally as much as possible
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ArrrGaming t1_j2fqbtg wrote
> it’s barely even a blip on the radar. :(
It wasn't. It was a big deal when it happened, widely covered, and still talked about today.
Astound_Broadband t1_j2f1bsx wrote
Saudi-linked arms deal gone wrong
Bisquatchi t1_j2c8yww wrote
Crazy that we still don’t know the motive behind the shooting.
twoeightnine t1_j2cbc48 wrote
We do. The governor elect and the Vegas PD and FBI just don't want you to know that it was yet another middle aged white terrorist. Nothing to see here!
https://theintercept.com/2020/09/22/stephen-paddock-las-vegas-shooting-far-right/
EsotericAbstractIdea t1_j2cn49e wrote
Ah, accelerationist. Damn, yeah they definitely skipped over fema death camp believer in all the news stuff I watched. Those were the maga people of the early Obama era. Suppressed because law enforcement is full of those people. They were like “I see nothing wrong here! It just blows my mind!”
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heyman- t1_j2dm3aj wrote
it's a pretty long article. here are the relevant bits for anyone who can't figure out a bypass solution
>Paddock “had an obsession with guns” and would become angry when challenged on the Second Amendment, according to Adam LeFevre, who dated the sister of Paddock’s partner. Paddock “made it very clear he would have no part of gun ownership restrictions,” said LeFevre, who got a glimpse of Paddock’s well-stocked gun room during a tour of his home, in another interview. Indeed, by the time of the attack, Paddock had amassed an arsenal of some 80 firearms, mostly assault-style rifles, in addition to stockpiling ammunition and some survivalist equipment — another glaring attribute of the far right.
>“He was animated about the government and the tax system,” LeFevre told us in an email. “He was outspoken about the inadequacies and waste of the government.”
>Paddock’s ardent opposition to gun restrictions bled into his embrace of a number of the debunked conspiracy theories that have helped to fuel a rise in right-wing extremism in recent years, according to the statements collected by the Las Vegas police, as well as interviews with journalists.
>The month before the shooting, one unnamed associate recounted to Las Vegas police detectives that Paddock tried to bribe him into selling a gun part used to convert a semiautomatic firearm into a fully automatic machine gun, demonstrating a total disregard for federal firearms laws. When the associate refused because he said it would be illegal, Paddock reportedly became enraged and made references to a litany of anti-government conspiracy theories, including supposed plans by the Federal Emergency Management Administration to set up “detention camps” of Americans and plans for widespread confiscation of firearms. Paddock believed that Hurricane Katrina in 2005 “was just a dry run for law enforcement and military to start kickin’ down doors and confiscating guns,” the associate said.
>“He was kind of fanatical about this stuff,” the associate added, quoting Paddock as saying that “somebody has to wake up the American public and get them to arm themselves.”
>Another witness interviewed in the investigation gave a similar account of Paddock’s fixation on anti-government conspiracy theories. A 27-year-old Las Vegas sex worker, who said she spent many hours drinking and gambling with Paddock, described him as “paranoid” and said that he would often rant about the American government’s orchestration of the Sept. 11 attacks.
heyman- t1_j2dm8xu wrote
the rest of the article (and there's a lot more) focuses on the climate of right-wing attacks that we saw around the time though there is a little more background on Paddock
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chrisaphoto t1_j2epola wrote
Agreed. FBI found no motive by the time they closed their inquiry. Even crazier is his dad was a bank robber on the FBI most wanted list, and his brother was arrested shortly after for child porn.
Garbage family.
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spacemoses t1_j2cc0st wrote
Why is it such a mystery? What makes it different from other mass shooters?
EsotericAbstractIdea t1_j2ckieu wrote
Everything. He was well off. No history of mental illness, no crimes, retired, had a girlfriend. It just doesn’t make sense.
ForgotMyOldLoginInfo t1_j2clcjn wrote
> No history of mental illness
Documented.
Is it really that crazy that crazy people might be missed until it's too late?
EsotericAbstractIdea t1_j2cnqux wrote
Just found an article about it. When this first happened I remember reading about what was known about him and they didn’t have any mental health stuff at the time. I guess we need better mental health care, and mental health education. Seems like this could have been spotted a long time before it happened.
ForgotMyOldLoginInfo t1_j2cpil1 wrote
> Seems like this could have been spotted a long time before it happened.
Sadly, almost every time.
WirelessBCupSupport t1_j2dyjuo wrote
I think the failure for the laws to change that permitted the coverage of mental health, was the beginning of the end.
We need support of our citizens that don't have a solid family or foundation. Individuals have more stress on them without recourse or support. And access to that, penalizes them as "mental" label.
There are some I've met, that clearly had physical and physiological issues which would flag, "no, they should own a gun" and yet they do. And not just one. Don't even question them about it, or watch them get furious like some deprivation.
Everyone should have a mental health professional, just as anyone has a general doctor.
TanningTurtle t1_j2ftfof wrote
Wait, you guys all have a general doctor? I haven't had one since I moved over ten years ago.
WestCoastBestCoast01 t1_j2fdz9b wrote
Frankly it doesn’t even have to be some wild mental breakdown. Seems pretty believable that he just went down a conspiracy cult-like path and decided to go on a rampage. Sometimes people are just brainwashed into murderous rage.
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Nauin t1_j2edg6f wrote
He loved guns. Of course he's not going to have documentation of mental illness. Those two rarely if ever go hand in hand.
Like I'm friends with a few arms dealers. Ones got a lot of integrity in what he does but is also suffering from depression and anxiety. Can't talk to a doctor to get meds and he can't smoke weed or even CBD products or he'll lose his license. Like it's frustrating because he's able to talk to friends and get some minor support from us but he should be able to get actual professional help without having to lose his entire business.
EsotericAbstractIdea t1_j2edz9j wrote
Yeah that’s the problem with red flag laws. They have a chilling effect on getting mental health care instead of getting firearms. Cannabis prohibition needs to end asap with all the research we have and evidence of a failed drug war.
Nauin t1_j2evvii wrote
Completely agree. We're critically lacking actual supportive resources for too many people stuck in that position. It extends to veterans, cops, and plenty of other industries
celebrityDick t1_j2enxt8 wrote
> He loved guns. Of course he's not going to have documentation of mental illness. Those two rarely if ever go hand in hand.
> Like I'm friends with a few arms dealers. Ones got a lot of integrity in what he does but is also suffering from depression and anxiety. Can't talk to a doctor to get meds and he can't smoke weed or even CBD products or he'll lose his license. Like it's frustrating because he's able to talk to friends and get some minor support from us but he should be able to get actual professional help without having to lose his entire business.
Another example of gun regulations actually causing the reverse of their purported intent. A lot of American combat vets are in the same boat. If they talk about their ptsd and depression, they lose their gun rights; so they don't talk about it
The_ODB_ t1_j2eimpd wrote
His political views were very similar to many recent terrorists.
EsotericAbstractIdea t1_j2ejdar wrote
Yeah, another poster alerted me to this fact. When it happened, everyone around him seemed mystified like he was just some chill accountant who kept to himself and gambled a lot. Didn't know he was fema death camp proto-maga. I guess the clue should have been he stopped fucking his girlfriend for a whole year.
The_ODB_ t1_j2ep3q3 wrote
The people the media quoted were like cocktail waitresses and starbucks employees whose interaction was handing him drinks while gambling. I don't think he'd been an accountant for like a decade.
keskeskes1066 t1_j2emydg wrote
The typical MAGA domestic terrorist has led a live of privilege, safety, and wealth compared to those whom they usually hate.
They have no objective reasons for their behavior. Yet, their emotional fragility, combined with learned victimhood and hate on social media/Fox pushes them over the edge.
thefugue t1_j2c9ozm wrote
I’m pretty certain it was “suicide by mass killing.”
bad13wolf t1_j2cf8r8 wrote
He ended up killing himself before any direct confrontation with law enforcement; like most mass shooters. I don't think there is a truly established motive.
The_ODB_ t1_j2eiuyb wrote
He really didn't want to be arrested and he thought the cops were coming for him. He was just wrong, because he wildly overestimated the cops.
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Or just a evil asshole with a victim complex
gandalf_el_brown t1_j2e4wf5 wrote
...so a conservative Republican?
Deceased_Puppy t1_j2dlk5b wrote
Same thing
asdaaaaaaaa t1_j2dmfo4 wrote
Not really, women can be evil/assholes with a victim complex.
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speaking_moistly t1_j2e8e0w wrote
i had two friends die in this shooting and my best friend survived. RIP
JustRelaxYo t1_j2e894d wrote
I find it crazy that people seem to have just forgotten one of the biggest events of our lives.
The_ODB_ t1_j2eiynk wrote
Even in Vegas, nobody cares about it.
ExistingCarry4868 t1_j2f95fj wrote
Ah the old reddit switcheroo, natives building haunted buildings on the site of a white people massacre.
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-_theodolit_- t1_j2dqele wrote
The feds always exceed expectations.
Maynard078 t1_j2fi2pq wrote
Wasn’t the shooter just a responsible gun owner though?
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little_gnora t1_j2cvldf wrote
It’s always terrifying to me that this is the deadliest mass shooting in US history to date and it’s barely even a blip on the radar. :(