Gen Z...

Capitalism isn't working for them either. Less food in the sea, we need to take down these dams and do other things to boost salmon numbers.

Helicopter whales.

If they quit putting avocado on their salmon, they’d be able to start their own pods

Is this a personal attack? ._.

I wonder if orcas have to deal with rising rent prices and stagnated wages.

What else are they supposed to do?

The A-15 Orca is VTOL, but certainly not a 'helicopter'.

(C&C: Tiberium Wars, for those wondering)

The dams aren't killing the salmon. It's the rising global temperature.

It DOES sound like a "Yo mama" joke.

It's the chinese predating the seas

China doesn't really hunt whales. Japan still does, though.

Dams reduce how much of their breeding streams the salmon can access. Warming streams mean less oxygen for the eggs as well, and overfishing is yet another factor.

Dams definitely hurt them though

Im not talking about whales, im talking about whale food

They do, but over the last 50 years, we've developed vastly better dams and systems to help offset their effects. I wouldn't say dams don't reduce salmon population, but it's I'm the 5-10% range, as opposed to global warming which has pushed the 15-20% mark already, and is likely to continue to increase.

Ah, gotcha. Japan still outstrips them there, too, sadly. And China still isn't even on the top 10 salmon producers. It's almost all Norway and Chile.

Thanks killer whale moms 😭

I can only imagine what goes into the development of an intelligent creature made of tens of quadrillions of cells. Human brains don't stop developing in really major ways until we're 25ish, and there's far fewer cells that need to get situated and settled in a human brain, even if our brain wrinkles are neater.

That's what happens when you remove borders between oceans and allow those Indian ocean and South China Sea guys swim around.

Kick them out of the ocean.

Fucking millennial orcas are ruining the housing market because they are spending too much on crabby patties!

You mean the dams built by the US Army Corps of Engineers? Or the ones run by BC Hydro. I know it's cool to bash capitalism here but ffs, these hydro electric dams that block salmon spawning from CA to Alaska are primarily built and owned by the state, not "capitalism"

Maybe I am a killer whale

I personally am a fan of the salmon cannons here in the PNW that allow for both hydro power & keep salmon healthy. Apparently the salmon enjoy it as well.

Yeah fuck whatever generations come after mine, they’re the damn problem

Back in my day, whales would just swim into a fjord and get a seal. Have these damn millennial whales tried that? They’re so sheltered these days; they need to pull themselves up by their fin tags.

Sure, we completely destroyed their ecological stability as a result of our unfettered exploitation of resources to fuel our own enjoyment. But I need my shrimp cocktails, goddamnit!

Fucking Neets

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In this economy!?

“Cheryl’s son already has his own seal hunting business.”

>these hydro electric dams that block salmon spawning from CA to Alaska are primarily built and owned by the state, not "capitalism"

Yes, and? Nation states are some of the most hardcore capitalists lol.

Nature : older generations are sacrifiable if it means better survival of the newest generation.

Genetic information must flow.

TLDR: Female orcas are helping their sons find more food, resulting in the sons possibly growing larger and stronger, thus becoming a more desirable mate, so the male can smash a ton of other females whose kids his mother doesn't even have to raise, so technically she directly gives herself more grandkids, although it's not working out well right now because the orca population is low and it would be better if that female orca had multiple kids herself instead of raising just 1 and waiting for grandkids.

A mamma's boy that one.

So public ownership of the resources and production of services...is capitalism? These are blended markets, some aspects such as publicly owned utilities, are implementation of socialism. It's not a negative.

Except for without enough breeding females it will not flow anywhere

Thanks for the summary, you the real MVP!

They do but their rent is mediated by lack of housing- or destruction of marine habitat if you're a whale, and their wages are stagnated by the amount of extra effort required to hunt to feed themselves and their families as a result of overfishing. Edit: *overfishing by humans.

>They do, but over the last 50 years, we've developed vastly better dams and systems to help offset their effects.

We have the technology, sure, but that doesn't mean that old dams were retrofitted, nor does it mean that the new technology was installed properly. For instance, at least one dam I know of has a salmon ladder that's easily 100' above the water line.

I mean… its both. After dams are removed Salmon populations skyrocket as does biodiversity and general natural health of the area as keystone species can now spawn further and die upstream. Not to mention steelhead populations.

Damn, makes so much more sense.

The guy you're responding to is the type to go burn down a small business and then claim they "stuck it to the man" without realizing they just ruined another middle class person's life.

Sounds like my ex boyfriend and his mom

And a shitty dam is still a shitty dam!

I see this but about Japanese whaling a lot but without reference to what whales are being caught (and how much or little they are endangered species), nor what other whaling countries are doing.

It’s not like Japan is harvesting Great Blues on the daily. They’re mostly little guys only a few feet long, or smaller.

These damn interspecies millenials

Random internet user, you have no right to make me feel this way

Dolphins literally hoarding all the wealth amd continue to get wealthier. So sad.

One child policy strikes again.

And the boomer whale blowing up their guts all over the beach. Entitlement

So whales have manchildren too?

TIL I have more in common with killer whales than billionaires

Also going to the whale wash every day. That adds up.

As if a species that routinely engages in domestic violence and the brutalizing and killing of their own children could possibly have the capacity to understand Orca pod family dynamics.

Millennial whales complaining that their current lot is a fluke of the economy.

They’ve had to deal with warming waters and reduced availability of prey (the Orca equivalent to our ongoing struggles 😭).

TIL that my grandmother is a killer whale.

>Weiss can't think of another animal that makes this never-ending investment when it has the option of reproducing multiple times.

Oh, keep thinking Dr. Weiss. I'm sure another example will come to you.

Guess Moby Dick's not the only one going to Starbuck too much

Gen-X whales are surprisingly happy and well adjusted. However, they did come from a place where their only representation was Shamu and airbrushed pictures of their kin on hoodies.

r/LateStageCetaceanism

Depends on the state. Where I live (Oregon), we do retrofit. But we're a pretty pro-fish and nature state.

Yes, dams kill some. But that amount (with technology and design) has shrunk dramatically, and global warming fish issues have just kept on rising.

I mean, not many other countries whale at at. Canada, Iceland, Japan, Norway, Russia, South Korea, the United States and the Danish dependencies of the Faroe Islands and Greenland are the only ones that do in modern times. Most of those are aboriginal whaling as well, meaning done by the natives of the lands. Commercial hunting is only done by Norway, Japan, Iceland, and South Korea.

Japan and Norway constitute 82% of that commercial whaling roughly.

Blue whales, as of now, are not hunted. The Internationak Whaling Commission has had a moratorium on hunting them and other great whales since 1985.

So yeah, its mostly Japan and Norway lol.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling

Is whales imitating human life? or are humans imitating whales?

I hope your doing better now

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Yep, exactly. Japan is not alone and they are not whaling endangered species. People overblow it.

Kind of tired of this braindead "everything bad is capitalism" circlejerk Reddit has. As if public services don't regularly fuck shit up lol.

That's super depressing.

They're not aline, they're one of 2 really. It is a bit overblown, but most of the species are either threatened or near threatened, depending on the list. It's not great to over hunt them, which is why the IWC was made. Most whales are on the road to recovery, which is good.

As I said, it's a bit overblown, but people tend to get that way about conservation

Isn’t this what they’ve always done tho? Orchas are matriarchal, with usually a strong grandma heading the pod

So they had a successful strategy, and humans have screwed up their environment to such a degree that it's now a problem. That's a bummer.

Yeah but something something Europe comrade Bernie Sanders both sides bad.

i feel like most gamers get fed more than enough though and thats the problem with these orcas.

The largest of adult sons.

>So public ownership of the resources and production of services...is capitalism?

Just because something is owned by the state does not mean it isn't a part of some capitalist scheme. The state is an actor like everyone else that is free to engage in capitalist endeavours. There are countless infrastructures that don't benefit the public in any way even though, on paper, the public "owns" these structures.

The state is often a key perpetrator in processes involving extracting capital and resources while providing nothing in return for the local communities. This is called extractivism and is as far away from socialism as you can get.

They rather just have a stable hunting gig, that's the halibut! The ask isn't tuna-zt...

Maybe they were fed junk and that has played a part in their inability to thrive.

I partially got the reference...I like my fighters stationary in the air

Fair enough!

im a fatass with zero personality who eats nothing but junk but turned out 6'8 and somehow managed to snag love and gain some amount of aspiration and knowledge out of it. If i can do it, an orca can do it better.

It really is. Dolphins and whales are highly intelligent animals, and it's believed they have quite advanced speach. Makes me wonder if they talk about how the oceans aren't providing like they used to. Obviously, they'd have no concept of the fact that a hairless land ape was causing all of this destruction.

But I always wonder why dolphins help and protect humans. There's even records of dolphins helping humans from all the way back in ancient Greece.

And when we eventually translate dolphin language, will we admit that we're the ones causing their food supply problems?

Your ex's mom would feed him a lot of salmon?

The great Human/Dolphin War of 2300 creeps closer.

Concerning the orcas, that’s really not the what the article concludes, from my understanding

Well at least they don't go find a wife to replace their mom.

We tried to share a language. The best translation we have of a dolphin phrase is "more handjobs please."

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"Stunning Discovery: Biologists solve mystery of "Yo mama" joke origin"

They didn't mention the part where when they ended the experiment and the dolphin stopped getting jerked off he drowned himself at the bottom of his tank.

Orcas and humans are some of the only mammal species where females go through menopause. In most species, females are fertile until they die. This help that females are able to give to their offspring and grandchildren when older seems to be the evolutionary reason.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-new-theory-for-why-killer-whales-go-through-menopause/

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Lucky guy

Sounds like those enabler moms that have 400lb sons that don't even leave the house.

I wanted to skim and my brain read ‘Female orcs …’

BTW Are there any female orcs in LOTR?

I'd be interested to see what the trend is for mixed sex children. Do they always stop having babies once there's a boy to take care of? What's the relationship between mom/daughter whales?

I feel there’s a reason for this maternal behaviour. There’s far less food in the ocean so mum has to help supply food to her forever pup.

Boomer whales are having dementia now as a result of the PTSD from the Valdez spill.

It's believed? By who? Source on this? I'm genuinely curious.

According to J.R.R. Tolkien there are in fact female orcs. However, they are not seen in battle. Now I imagine an orc counterpart to Eowyn that desperately wants to be warrior and sneaks into battle.

Sounds like a lot of human parents that I know.

damn NEETs

Scheme....ok. capitalism bad I get it.

IE: the evolutionary trend towards k selection vs r selection in orcas is backfiring during the current mass extinction event that is putting excessive pressure on their population numbers. In times of extreme population stress and environmental decline, passing on genes is too uncertain even with large investment in offspring and so a lot of effort is wasted compared to producing more offspring but putting in less effort for each.

They just want to play squideo games.

So helicopter parents exist elsewhere in the animal kingdom?

can you apply to take this persons job at NPR?

I wouldn't call the Pacific psycho fan group there "well-adjusted"

Asking a woman to have more kids instead of fussing over the one they do have is like wading into a minefield.

Orcas are jewish moms. It's confirmed.

Her what?

Fewer

It isn't an airplane or jet either though. I don't think there is a real category for a "jet wing". But, it's a bit closer to a helicopter in that its lift is generated by its engines which is similar to how a rotary wing gets lift from the main rotor(s) which is/are directly powered by the engine. On a fixed wing aircraft, the propeller(s) or jet engine(s) give it speed, but do little to nothing for lift. That is why (without major modifications) fixed wing aircraft don't have VTOL capabilities. (For simplicity, we are going to ignore special cases like the Ospry.) All of the lift comes from the wings on a fixed wing aircraft. The engine(s) is/are there to give enough speed to the aircraft for the wings to do their job. That is not how the Orca works. It is true it is not quite a helicopter in that a helicopter is a rotory wing aircraft, but overall, the physics of how it flies would be much more in line with a helicopter than an airplane.

That's NEET

Cloaca.

That is literally not capitalism.

Interesting, it looks like it got major revisions through the series. The first one I found ("I know I remember an Orca Gunship from somewhere" phase) has sort-of stub wings, fixed fans in the wings (takeoff assist?), and what I think are pivotable jets (TW vintage). Older TD style, as you say, is pretty much a heli form factor aside from the turbofans. One of the developers is Lancaster Lifting Body, which might imply that the hull is an airfoil, which could push it back towards plane.

I assume this has been discussed several times by now in the community!

Cetacean Intelligence (there's a section for communication).

It's actually really cool too; Dolphins all have something that researchers call a "signature whistle," which seems very similar to the concept of humans each having a name. And the crazier thing is, for male dolphins, a part of their signature whistle will be taken from their mother's signature whistle, while female dolphins have completely original signature whistles. So this shows not only language, but also suggests culture.

Another awesome example; there are two dolphin species, one generally lives further north while the other lives further south, but they both reproduce around Hawaii. When they meet up around Hawaii, they hunt with each other. The two species generally have vocalizations and hearing abilities that are in a different frequency range, but their frequency ranges have some overlap. So when they hunt together, they switch to making sounds that are in a frequency range that they can both hear/vocalize in. So essentially, they're using a bridge language that neither typically speaks when they're separate.

This next study, I've sadly not heard any updates on, but this company is trying to use ML to translate dolphin language. (they were supposed to have finished the study in 2021, but I never heard more about it. Hoping COVID didn't wreck it.)

The wrong thing is endangered.

Even orca family had it rough this inflation

Dang. Even the killer whales can’t raise sons that can support themselves.

So she learned to become human.

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OG C&C

So Killer Whale moms are… moms.

They are about to get a new TLC show about his failure to launch

My mother did not support this strategy at all. I was given the boot shortly after hs graduation by coming home from work one day to find a greasy smoking guy whitewashing my bedroom walls and telling me my mom had rented out my room to him, my stuff was in the garage. Orca moms need that greasy smoking guy

Kelpbeards

Are the whales Jewish, Italian or Greek?

Why not just say orca? My English is perfectly good but I admit that "killer whale moms" took me a while. Had to go over it a few times.

We need to learn to speak orca so we can cooperate with them on better breeding strategies.

Is this true?

Unfortunately. Here is a good Radiolab podcast: https://radiolab.org/episodes/home-where-your-dolphin

I asked ChatGPT and it said:

> You might be referring to the story of Margaret Howe Lovatt and the experiments she conducted with a bottlenose dolphin named Peter in the 1960s.

> Margaret Howe Lovatt was a researcher who worked with Peter, a captive bottlenose dolphin, as part of a NASA-funded project to explore the possibility of communication between humans and dolphins. The experiments took place on a small island in the Virgin Islands, where Lovatt lived and worked with Peter for several months.

> During the experiments, Peter became sexually aggressive towards Margaret Howe Lovatt, and she claims to have engaged in sexual contact with the dolphin as a way to appease him and maintain a calm and productive living environment for both of them. However, this behavior is considered highly controversial and unethical by the scientific community, and Lovatt has faced criticism for her actions.

> In the end, the experiments were unsuccessful and the project was eventually abandoned. Peter was eventually transferred to another facility, where he died several years later. The story of Margaret Howe Lovatt and Peter the dolphin continues to be a topic of interest and debate in the scientific community, and serves as a cautionary tale about the dangers of crossing ethical boundaries in animal research.

So, basically an OG nottheonion story.

Wow, that's pretty shitty.

Huh. I thought we already learned that a “One Child Policy” was a bad idea.

If they weren’t orcas I would have thought NPR was covering a story about two of my cousins. But replace grandchildren calves with a game app that didn’t go anywhere.

Are these whales Irish?

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Not OP but same. My mom would repeatedly headbutt sharks and shit until they stopped putting up a fight then rip open a flap on their stomachs so I could get to the yummy liver.

Why do they fuck things up though? I'd wager the answer is usually to reduce expenses and generate more revenue, both of which are aims of capitalism.

Hospitals and utility companies are supposed to be "public goods." As it turns out, market pressures incentivizing these entities to profit unconditionally from a populace utterly dependent on their services isn't very good for the public.

“… fin tags.”s To be really accurate, I think they’re called fin straps.
I agree, they need to pull themselves up by their fin straps.
Failing that, I suppose they could use their skin tags to pull themselves up.

OTOH, a fluke can be quite tasty.

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Today I learned, killer whale are Asian.

Hint, Dr. Weiss, it’s also a mammal, but based on land rather than water, and often wears shoes.

Yo mama eats squid by the 10-kilo.

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Thats the spirit, the orca should pull itself by its orca bootstraps and reply on socialist maternal handouts.

Omilfs

> Weiss can't think of another animal that makes this never-ending investment when it has the option of reproducing multiple times.

What about, oh I don’t know, humans?

Hi ! Its rare to meet Orcas on the internet ! Ive had the stereotype yall dont have access to it. Have a good day and lots of yummy liver !

Who you calling an Orca?!

Fun fact: killer whales are currently attacking pleasure craft yachts near the coast of Portugal, biting the rudder off and sinking ships. They seem to prefer yachts about 40 foot or 12 meters long and their behaviour is not natural so scientists’ best guess is that its passed on behaviour from one or two killer whales to the rest of the groups

Shoutout to moms

> Obviously, they have no concept of the fact that a hairless land ape was causing all of this destruction

I wouldn’t be so sure of this. Whales are known to not only understand the impact humans have on their lives, they have changed intergeneral behaviour because of it.

There is a species of whale that used to sing loudly in the Arctic. It was heavily hunted in the 1800s, and thought to be extinct for a while in the 1900s because it wasn’t seen or heard for decades. Only when recording devices were left behind did the whales get “rediscovered”.

It turned out that the whales had straight-up learnt that humans were hunting them in boats, so they went quiet and hid when they perceived human presence. They taught their children how to do this, and every generation since.

Studies with other species of whales showed that they can perceive the difference between a research boat and a whaling ship.

TLDR: whales understand an awful lot

The woke mind virus has spread to orcas? Damn that stuff is contagious.

She a millennial fr

The Y chromosome causes laziness among all species

So like african elephants that recognoze language that is used by tribes that hunt them, and those that don't.

“JERRY!! JERRY!! JERRY!!” I guess even Killer Whales have their baby mama drama, what’s next Moory?? DNA says “You are the father of those babies”

Yeah it wasn't great. BUT I also was making some poor choices. I had turned down college scholarship offers and didn't apply to college because I didn't want to leave the city where my gf lived. Instead I'd gotten a job at a steel mill and was spending most of my time smoking weed and working. My mom's rationale was, you don't want to go to college fine, but I'm not paying for your housing. You have a job, go be a real man if you think that's the life you want. I did that for about a year and realized real work, real bills, real life was damn hard and I'd rather be back in college where it was reading books and parties even if it was far from that gf I had. So in a year I went back to college and my mom graciously began helping me with housing bills again so I could focus on school. A little bit of a harsh lesson but it pointed me where I needed to go. I just needed a year of being stubborn to figure that out myself.

Thank you for the context. I'm glad it worked out for you :-)

Believe me, I was pretty resentful at the time and I don't think I'd follow a similar strategy for my kids, but it worked out overall for me and I don't hate my mom for it. So I'd say it was a success in my case

Wow, neckbeard orcas lol

So basically, mom is the wingman

Damn, onioniest headline in a while. I’m literally tearing up.

Yes,and? A socialist or communist country has the ability to dam rivers too not sure why this being blamed on capitalism and not lack of environmental education and disregard for the long term effects of not giving a shit about the consequences of our actions.