The nypd do not serve the public and cannot the trusted. There are no good cops in a system like this, they all need to be fired and replaced with an organization accountable to the people

The fact that the police responded and brought the menacing ex-cop to the police station is at least a step up in enforcement compared how they handled the duck sauce killer. Such action probably reduced the likelihood of this feud from escalating into a murder.

In contrast, the duck sauce killer was only arrested after he murdered someone from the restaurant staff he was menacing.

Simple things like that could deter a crime and it's a lot cheaper than incarceration, etc.

Good luck with that buddy. The cop unions would eat anyone who wanted to do that alive.

What the hell does this story have to do with the DuCk SaUcE KiLLEr. Focus.

Both were menacing with a gun.

I think most people would be against this. You forget nyc did vote a cop as mayor.

Everyone wants to pile on this cop but what if those kids did keep breaking his cameras? There are no consequences for juvenile offenders in NYC and their age means nothing to me, there are plenty of violent 12 year old gang members who know exactly what they are doing, that it is wrong and that their age shields them.

There are plenty of moms that will defend their violent criminal children regardless of the crime they committed, they are enablers and by having no consequences society enables their behavior as well.

Do you think that's a rare crime? Or you just wanted to bring up the DuCk SaUcE KiLLEr for jollies? This has nothing to do with that. This is about cops looking out for cops.

Keep saying duck sauce, now I want some general tsos.

No, more like jokingly pointing out the false equivocation of comparing a mentally deranged man living in a dirty apartment who killed someone over duck sauce to a small business owner/operator who also was a NYPD officer having his business physically vandalized.

Oh, so you're saying a cop brandishing a gun illegally who should know better is more justified in brandishing a gun illegally? Is that right? Generally we hold people who are mentally stable and not deranged to a higher standard, but I guess this is a cop so he just gets to bypass the law.

Anyone who look at the underlying facts can see that ex-cop was held to a higher standard than a non-cop who end up committing murder.

I think we both agree that cops should be held at a higher standard.

Do you honestly believe that deranged people are held to higher standard?

The duck sauce killer was not taken to the police station even after repeated menacing.

He was only arrested after he committed murder.

How is that a higher standard?

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That Sgt Hanisch did his job well and did the right thing. And now he’s in a position where he might fucked if he lies for the NYPD or fucked more if he tells the truth. I feel for him and it shows how even if you try to be a good cop all the rottens ones will make you rotten as well. Hence the full saying about bad apples.

We should be outraged he was ever arrested because that should not be a crime

It’s property damage. It’s on camera. The police identified the kids. Sue them. What you don’t get to do (if you’re not a retired cop) is chase after them with a gun and scare them so much that 3 black kids in Brownsville call the cops. That ain’t a normal occurrence.

And now that the guy was released without consequences the same night as the arrest because he knew someone, what does that teach them about justice? Are they going to put their trust in the cops if someone wrongs them in the future? Or will it now make more sense to take care of justice themselves or with their friends?

The facts show 3 kids gave a general description of a gun and one claimed he fired a shot which wasn't corroborated between the other two. They were fabricating things and who knows what else they fabricated. If cops are held to a higher standard then they should be treated with a higher standard provided they don't have a history of criminal behavior.

I’m not saying it’s likely or even plausible. I’m saying it’s what should happen.

The fact that it’s implausible just shows how necessary it is.

I think that was confusion over ranked choice voting, combined with the name recognition he got from having so many scandals during the race.

You see this as a step in the right direction. I look at this incident and unless corrected from on high, shows exactly why you have young kids solving disputes violently on city streets, because the cops cannot be trusted to protect them.

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The AFL-CIO should disown them.

What other union participates in union-busting?

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Ain't that funny, Cop Unions are one of the most powerful unions across the country and no one questions it, the moment some part time workers at starbucks unionize its on full blast for even wanting to even get paid a decent wage.

Rules for thee

Your understanding that mistrust in the police is a major driver in street violence is backed by evidence.

Distrust in the police is a stronger factor than poverty (2.6x stronger) on teenagers committing first-time violence offenses.

But whatever dispute those kids had with the business owner, I don't see how breaking a security camera is a step towards solving anything, and how that ex-cop chasing the kids with a gun helped.

He should've called the police instead of trying to solve matters with his own hands. But at least the kids called the police on him!

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Again I ask, what does this have to do with this story about a cop being let off the hook by other cops despite illegal activity?

You’re right, we do need to do something about the police union.

It shouldn't be a crime to chase someone down the street with a gun? Are you mental?

I already responded with the explanation to your question.

Now it's up to you to read it.

Duck sauce killer was let off the hook in a bigger way, commits a murder, and the "advocates" stay mum about that.

That strongly suggests that for the advocates, it's not about crimes and victims, it's just a brainless anti-police political stunt.

Lol so just turn NYC into a complete lawless land of anarchy?

How can I wake up one day and live in make believe land?

Is it drugs? Is it copious amounts of alcohol? Is it just brainwashing by only reading the edgelord manual of 2023?

> Sue them

LOL

You’re confused. I said we should fire the current nypd force, not let them continue their ~10 year announced work slowdown wherein they just decide when they want to enforce the law and when they don’t, usually capriciously based on how they feel.

Has anyone seen the Union on Twitter? And that bitch fuck O’Shea? Literally threatening any NY politician who badmouths them with removing police presence from their events. Acting like the cops WE pay for with our taxes are their own personal gang. Fucking joke!

And where do you get the 32k people to replace them as a functioning police force?

Hire them just like before, but starting over without a culture that’s already been corrupted, and creating accountability to the public.

Do you have a relationship with law enforcement? And do you feel that top brass should be fixing legitimate arrests for their cronies as they did in this case?

What's new ... 🫠

They should not be fixing cases. We are in agreement, as to where and how you simultaneously fire and then hire 32k people, I think you are in magic land.

How do we get rid of the culture of corruption?

You tell me. You live in magic land.

Sounds like you probably work in a corrupt system and prefer it that way.

Great answer.

I feel like that might have been sincere, so thank you?

Assuming you are a cop, and assuming you don’t personally go around abusing your power, I have a tip for you. People don’t trust you. Because even if you’re not going out using excessive force or helping cronies stay out of trouble, you know other cops who do. And you are either unable to stop them, in which case you’re really not much value in your job, or you’re unwilling, in which case you’re morally unfit for your job. And now you’re arguing online making procedural excuses for why we can’t have accountability. You’re cool with the way things are in your organization, which makes you complicit in the culture of corruption. A few bad apples have already spoiled the whole bunch.

You’d be welcome in magic land if you ever wanted to envision a world where cops are accountable to the people who pay their salaries and whom they’re supposed to protect.

I ask you how does a city go about hiring 32k new police while also firing 32k police, you respond with a whataboutism.

Who is training these new police officers?

What are the requirements?

What is the pay?

Who is the new chief?

Who is the new commissioner?

You’re debating how replacing the nypd would work instead of whether it’s necessary because you can’t find a good argument for why the nypd deserves their station in a city they refuse to protect or be accountable to. The work slowdown has spread to your brain.

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Lol no, I’m debating the practicality of such an idea. And that the idea would do far more harm than good. Anarchy vs corrupt events like this dude not catching a menacing charge, I’ll take the later because anarchy would do far more damage.

But we agree that any cops who abuse their authority, use excessive force, or don’t follow the law themselves should be fired ?

Uh huh.

The same personalities would be drawn back and do the same thing all over again.

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Damn he must have did something big for this Chief back in the day for him to repay the favor by personally coming to the precinct, that’s unheard of since Chiefs don’t give a fuck about anything but their $25,000 a month pension and their next city job to leech off of

And to add cops who see other police do these things and don’t report it? But this guy will never straight up address things like this. The most he’ll give is a few bad apples nonsense vs systemic critique because the boot licking is too strong.

I've seen Pat Lynch, I assume he will personally handle the eating with that big mouth of his

TIL that 12 is old enough to be prosecuted as an adult

Gangs gonna gang

You think the NYPD is a powerful union? The union that has been out of contract for 6 years isn't powerful.

Read the article it mentions that the retiree has a real estate business located near the precinct. You start to wonder.

It was his family’s store I think

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