In case you need one, too. Paper straws are not the answer (for all).
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thtkidfrmqueens t1_it4le7v wrote
Whats the fucking point of putting in this ban to reduce refuse, only to loophole in the damn things anyway?
heystarkid t1_it4ot96 wrote
Why is it a requirement that the plastic straws available by request are non-compostable?
BarriBlue OP t1_it4q1wa wrote
>Failing to provide a single-use plastic beverage straw that is not compostable to any person who requests one may violate the reasonable accommodations provisions of Title 8 of the Administrative Code of New York City. This is subject to enforcement by the NYC Commission on Human Rights.
ExposedTamponString t1_it4qrgq wrote
….how does this violate reasonable accommodations? Are there people who are allergic to paper?
NKtDpt4x t1_it4sty9 wrote
If you're forced to opt-in to something it creates an additional hurdle to discourage use. The same reasons some blue states offer automatic voter registration while red states have strict ID laws and keep limited DMV hours/locations for folks to obtain said IDs.
Mster_Mdnght t1_it4szsa wrote
I rather have yellow/brown coca cola stained teeth than use a paper straw. ALL I GET IS FIZZ. !
NKtDpt4x t1_it4t3np wrote
I think the plastic bag ban had its hiccups in the beginning but everyone has adjusted. A plastic straw ban might get the ptichforks out though.
ExposedTamponString t1_it4w2kw wrote
Oooh that does kind of make sense. However this is probably just a loophole that plastic lobbyers found.
meantnothingatall t1_it4z0lk wrote
There are way bigger fish to fry than straws.
jza_808 t1_it518tr wrote
A lot of places are still using plastic bags, especially restaurants for take out.
NKtDpt4x t1_it51s7u wrote
They're legally allowed to.
jza_808 t1_it529ai wrote
Right, so it’s not a complete ban just like with the straws.
drecklia t1_it52ilb wrote
Why can't they carry their own straws?
NKtDpt4x t1_it52n0m wrote
Seriously? You must fun at parties. "Actually..."
jza_808 t1_it53iv3 wrote
Huh? I’m not even disagreeing with you.. just clarifying my first comment. It’s a ban with loopholes so I think they’re comparable.
Ambitionlessness t1_it54hl7 wrote
Why can’t disabled people carry their own straws?is this a real question?
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drecklia t1_it55pyc wrote
Do you not carry around your metal straw?
movingtobay2019 t1_it57n7z wrote
bklyngaucho t1_it59mtw wrote
I noticed recently that McDonalds went from having paper cups and plastic straws to plastic cups and paper straws. WT actual F?
Ok-Coast-9264 t1_it5gfwh wrote
Paper, plastic -- let's just get rid of straws all together, except crazy straws and those ones that change color based on temperature
ctindel t1_it5ihnm wrote
Yeah the rule is as dumb as banning 32 ounce sodas
TeamMisha t1_it5iifd wrote
I'd say just ban them tbh or do the tax like bags. ADA advocates were screaming about how certain people needed plastic straws, so how about those who need straws take just a little responsibility and bring their own like the rest of us adapting to the plastic bag ban, it's really not that hard. I keep a metal straw in my backpack, pretty simple.. Then restaurants can have a simple law to follow and don't need to bother buying straws anymore, done and done. Legislation by excessive loophole is stupid
TheBeesBestKnees t1_it5lblk wrote
I like my drinks without guilt or virtue signals, thanks. I'll take an extra plastic straw in your honor.
heystarkid t1_it5pqui wrote
Right, my question is why does it need to be non-compostable? Or is all plastic non-compostable? It just seems like weird wording.
clorox2 t1_it5ryyj wrote
Doing your part to help fuck up the planet just to prove a point on Reddit?
Drink an extra 64oz Coke every day while you’re at it.
F_T_N_32 t1_it5spxw wrote
Reeeeeeeeeee
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PTERODACTYL_ANUS t1_it5v8oq wrote
speaking of fish, fishing waste is like the largest single contributor to ocean plastic
ShadownetZero t1_it5xnex wrote
Thank lord.
If businesses want to cheap out on the ban by not going the Starbucks route (high quality compostable straws that are similar to plastic), then they can give me a plastic straw on request.
ShadownetZero t1_it5xro4 wrote
Takes so garbage, they can't be recycled.
ShadownetZero t1_it5xvhi wrote
How are you staining your teeth with soda?
Do you not brush your teeth?
ShadownetZero t1_it5xx5o wrote
I prefer non-paper straws because they actually do their job.
iRedditAlreadyyy t1_it6148c wrote
Still cracks me up when I get a paper straw to use with my clearly single use plastic cup when I grab my coffee
rho_everywhere t1_it63h5n wrote
Also paper straws aren’t gluten free…. Why are all these establishments discriminating against the celiacs?
LongIsland1995 t1_it68i2u wrote
Dark colored liquids can stain your teeth even if you brush well. Same things with happens with coffee and Guinness
LongIsland1995 t1_it68lq5 wrote
I don't get why (non disabled) people whine about paper straws. They're totally fine and there's too much plastic on this planet in the first place
Curiosities t1_it69hid wrote
No, this is legitimately a disability issue. Plenty of folks in the disability community have shared their experiences when these bans started passing all over.
This site that hosts this chart is for and by disabled/chronically ill folks: http://creakyjoints.org//wp-content/uploads/1019_Straw_Chart_Logo.jpg
From one of their pieces on this topic:
"These materials can also create unintended consequences. Plastic straw alternatives can be made with ingredients that contain corn, gluten, and other major allergens. This includes the glue used on paper straws. Despite assurances of safety from organizations such as Starbucks that have switched to compostable options, people are having to go to the ER in anaphylaxis because of these allergens. There are currently no regulations stating that allergens in these straws must be shared and there is little research about how many people with allergies have reactions to these straws."
Curiosities t1_it69n1d wrote
For most people, they won't bother. For those who need a plastic straw, like people with some disabilities, one is available for them. This is a real issue of accessibility for some, and thus there is a way to get one with some additional effort to request it.
Curiosities t1_it69sny wrote
When they start disintegrating before you finish half your drink, it's kind of a bummer.
The new Starbucks ones are fine to me. It's better to have some options, including plastic for those who need them. Sometimes, for me, I need to use straws when my anxiety is really bad. But some of the alternatives work just fine (not the paper ones). I also have nerve damage impacting my hand so I'm not someone who is going to be able to clean reusable straws well enough.
LongIsland1995 t1_it69vqk wrote
I've had a paper straw sitting in a glass of coke for an hour and it was still intact + functional
Curiosities t1_it6aex9 wrote
Interesting. I forget which place gave me the paper straw that basically started flattening and getting weird in my iced tea, but it was annoying. Clearly there are some better ones than what I got.
SMK_12 t1_it6cuff wrote
They’re significantly worse than using a plastic straw and the benefit is not worth the reduction in utility. Obviously addressing climate change/pollution is important but the goal is to address it while still improving the quality of life for people. Some level of pollution is ok, it’s just about finding the right balance.
EnlightenedBeignet t1_it6h2ba wrote
The bigger fish are turtles
IvanIsOnReddit t1_it6qga5 wrote
I get the spirit of reducing plastics but we’re not going to save the world with this. We still need to get rid of plastic packaging. 10 cheese slices in a thick plastic bag, come on!?
IvanIsOnReddit t1_it6qtpj wrote
Yeah, some people just buy new bags every time, and still buy garbage bags, so it’s more wasteful in that case.
I try to reuse mine as much as possible but now with Target delivery they just buy the plastic bags and I can’t do anything about it. Wish they had paper bags, as least that can easily be put back into a tree (composting then fertilizing).
IvanIsOnReddit t1_it6r42r wrote
I’d bring mine if I had a disability, just so that I get a consistent experience. But notice that plastic bags are still available for purchase. They are not the default now but they keep them around.
IvanIsOnReddit t1_it6rjnj wrote
Imagine if all that energy and enthusiasm went into banning 6 ounce bottled water and 10 cheese slices in a thick ziplock bag.
smolsquirrel t1_it6stfr wrote
It is weird that it has to be non compostable. I've used some good non paper compostable straws. I think they were sugarcane
wahikid t1_it6t8qa wrote
Right? How did people ever even LIVE for the decades that we all used paper straws exclusively, before plastic straws were a thing?
ctindel t1_it6zfth wrote
Exactly! And all the single use plastic cutlery and plates.
Though by cracks me up what I really mean is it makes me irrationally angry about the stupidity of the whole thing.
Wiscodoggo5494 t1_it75fun wrote
I prefer not to use a straw at all because I’m not a child.
hitliquor999 t1_it76k90 wrote
…finally a voice of reason
Ironsweetiez t1_it76w0a wrote
Aldi uses paper bags!
squeeze_me_macaroni t1_it7af9b wrote
Ironically, I only use straws at home (metal ones) and when I go out, I don’t ask for one because they are just used once and thrown away. It’s a molecular step to waste reduction but I do it anyway.
Groundbreaking_Tank2 t1_it7i14r wrote
This is great news for oil lobbyists, bad news for the planet.
drcordell t1_it7o6sm wrote
They used “straw” straws made out of actual reeds. Honestly they’re pretty great!
wahikid t1_it7owl2 wrote
No, we all used paper straws. From the late 1880’s up till the mid 1960’s, paper straws were used almost exclusively. Somehow, they were totally acceptable and didn’t kill or maim massive amounts of people. Now, I am under zero illusions that plastic straws are the single most environmentally damaging use of plastic, by a long shot. Just that to say that they are the worst, or unusable, is laughably false.
ManchurianPandaDate t1_it7vwzi wrote
The issues of our day
heepofsheep t1_it8id0o wrote
I don’t know why people hate them so much… they work just fine for me and don’t fall apart in the 15min I might use one before throwing it out.
TheBeesBestKnees t1_it8l8d4 wrote
I'll have a straw for you, too.
mikere t1_it8rcu9 wrote
For me, when I get a large soda from mcdonalds, it usually ends up sitting on my desk the whole afternoon while I take brief occasional sips. By the one hour mark, the paper straw is too soggy and so I have to take the lid off and drink without the straw. just a minor inconvenience imo that I don’t really care about
The biggest problem I have with paper straws though is it ends up giving whatever I’m drinking a tinge of cardboard flavor
cafeesparacerradores t1_it8ta9v wrote
AGAVE STRAWS FOR THE WIN
iRedditAlreadyyy t1_it8vzdr wrote
I’m fine with it if they just go all the way. Blue bottle has really nice paper cups with bio lids. I’ve used eco friendly “plastic” forks and knives and they work just as well as the plastic ones. Just go all the way and not half ass it with a paper straw in a plastic cup. Or at least allow me to refill my water bottle at a slight discount. Works for me too
thtkidfrmqueens t1_it9us38 wrote
Fair enough.
heepofsheep t1_itab8v6 wrote
I feel like you got more of a casually drinking soda over long periods of time problem then a straw problem.
bklyngaucho t1_it4gmv0 wrote
That’s going to go over about as well as the “no plastic bags” rule. Sadly.