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go_berds t1_jctwf85 wrote

Jesus Christ man. If the city/state don’t get this area under control temple is in serious trouble

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rollingstoner215 t1_jctwu29 wrote

Temple’s in trouble regardless.

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kanye_come_back t1_jcu2dzp wrote

Yeah I am here right now and the future isn't rosy. I can tell a lot of talented kids they would have picked up otherwise are choosing to go elsewhere.

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go_berds t1_jcu39ie wrote

I graduated only 2 years ago and already it’s gotten so much worse :(

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aburke626 t1_jcubpge wrote

This breaks my heart, it was not like this when I went to and worked at Temple. Everyone was careful but in terms of random violence, there was very very little of it.

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kanye_come_back t1_jcudf9q wrote

There is a genuine perverse feeling of needing to be ready to stand up for yourself bc violence prevention is limited outside of Campus. Especially if you rely on public transit it now takes a spine to go to Temple.

I am lucky that I am a thick skinned, in-shape dude.

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FDE3030 t1_jcu33jl wrote

Always has been

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rollingstoner215 t1_jcu3vfg wrote

Nah there was a stretch in the 1960’s after it became a public school where the programs earned respect and distinction.

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Philodemus1984 t1_jcu9ssd wrote

Temple was on the upswing a decade ago, with crime levels low and earning an R1 status. It still has many nationally respected programs, though the business school obviously tarnished its reputation.

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ArgentumFlame t1_jcweq3p wrote

Can you elaborate more on the business school tarnishing the reputation? When I went to Temple they were DUMPING money into the Fox School so this is somewhat surprising to me

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uptown_gargoyle t1_jcwj25p wrote

Former Temple University business dean convicted of fraud in rankings scheme (Nov. 2021)

>A former dean of Temple University's business school was convicted Monday of fraud in a scheme to boost the school's rankings by providing false information to U.S. News & World Report's prestigious annual surveys to maximize tuition dollars and donations, federal officials said.

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jersey_girl660 t1_jcugldw wrote

Temple is still a respected school. The neighborhood is another story.

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rollingstoner215 t1_jcuoo3b wrote

Not if you work there

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jersey_girl660 t1_jcuork1 wrote

… no????

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rollingstoner215 t1_jcuw6ct wrote

Maybe you heard about the recent graduate student union strike?

Nobody’s happy, but most of us just accept that we made a terrible decision in coming to work at Temple.

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TheBSQ t1_jcupxk8 wrote

Didn’t Krasner refuse to hire Temple Law grads because he didn’t want B-listers?

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FDE3030 t1_jcu489c wrote

You might be right, when I say “always” I guess I mean since 1970’s, heard friends say it wasn’t safe back then

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Mysterious_Bobcat483 t1_jcv6f6j wrote

I went to high school on/adjacent to Temple campus, early 80s. Nothing nuts, just a rough area off campus. Nothing like this.

ETA Werst philly/uni city was way worse then

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rollingstoner215 t1_jcu6ew5 wrote

Oh I don’t know about the neighborhood, I just meant the school itself is in trouble.

Re: neighborhood violence, on the one day a week I’m in the office, I’m dismissed early “for my safety,” to help reduce the odds I am hit by a stray bullet while I wait for the bus.

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Allemaengel t1_jcu8rtx wrote

City Hall and Harrisburg to the rescue?

I just can't picture what that looks like.

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Effective_Golf_3311 t1_jcuav8h wrote

Recreating UC in NP.

Otherwise TU might have to get creative.

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MonkeyPanls t1_jcumk4a wrote

You mean TempleTown? Peter Liacouras couldn't do it.

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Effective_Golf_3311 t1_jcup731 wrote

Yeah. I think it’s time for that to happen. There was a different dynamic then.

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FrankGrimesApartment t1_jcv1knu wrote

Probably easier to just move Temple U somewhere else.

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Effective_Golf_3311 t1_jcv26k9 wrote

They threatened to move to Ambler a few years back, but the city doubled down on helping them. Now they’ve all but pulled back and turned their backs on the school. Maybe it’s time to start working on that move.

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go_berds t1_jcui0en wrote

What’s UC?

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Effective_Golf_3311 t1_jcukqhh wrote

University City

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[deleted] t1_jcusvxk wrote

How long did it take Penn to improve West Philly? I lived with a landlord that bought his house on the corner of 44th and Larchwood in the 80’s and said the neighborhood struggled at that time.

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neurosci_student t1_jcv02kp wrote

Yup the 80s-90s was about the worst of it. Starting with the Sansom Common development in the 90s replacing the "dead zone" parking lots north of campus and then further development on the west side of campus in the early 00s things got better.

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Effective_Golf_3311 t1_jcv0ncb wrote

And not a chance either of those schools allow it to return. Too much rides on it, just as Temple is finding out now.

Hopefully we don’t lose our memories of the mid-10s and how the neighborhood was before too long.

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neurosci_student t1_jcv3oa0 wrote

Penn has cash - the endowment is like 20 billion. Temple doesn't, it's a state university. Penn will keep University City gleaming even if the city falls apart because they are the landlord for most of the area which allows them to be a pseudo-municipality by creating their own rules for land use. They own the property for several blocks around the university and lease it to developers that will meet their standards. This is on top of their security apparatus which is also well funded and about the same size as Temple. But you can't just police your way out of the problem - the thing that makes UCity safer is that its development and management allows Penn to operate much more like a campus than a city university.

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Effective_Golf_3311 t1_jcv5p6w wrote

UPenn security is probably closer to double TUs now.

Back in 2010 they were about the same size but the current admin has been pretty adept at destroying various departments within the school and the PD/security is no exception.

TUPD recently said it’s at about 65 for staffing instead of the 115 or whatever that they had 10 years ago

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Mcjibblies t1_jcwte23 wrote

Temple has the 3rd largest non-profit endowment in the greater Philly area. Over $300M in savings, over $900M in securities, $2.3B worth of assets without any donor restrictions.

When we all start to recognize that THEY are the problem, the shootings will stop.

Oh…. You didn’t know this?! You didn’t understand that in the middle of poverty was billions of dollars where, literally a few hundred thousand could fix the problem?! Higher education is marvelous in this regard. Places where their students are taught dialectical materialism but they cannot apply it their own existence.

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Allemaengel t1_jcubelc wrote

I'm thinking your second choice. Idk that the city or state are capable of or willing to undertake that heavy lift.

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Probability-Bot t1_jcvrcbq wrote

These Hookah lounges most of them are iffy. There is one not far from me and at least twice a year there is a shooting there.

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