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Thingswithcookies t1_iypktah wrote
Attacks like this are why we should follow NYC in forcibly removing mentally ill and addicts from the streets. This is common practice in most first world countries plus most Asian nations.
RJ5R t1_iyplums wrote
Won't happen as long as the ACLU's lawyer army somehow has a bottomless pit of funding. I get that this country has a stain on its record of how the mentally ill were handled, but the pendulum has swung too far and now we're not handling it at all out of fear of resurrecting the past.
Unlike the past, when these people are removed from the streets, they should receive actual treatment (and I don't mean like the experimental treatments at those mental facilities that used to be on the roosevelt blvd)
joeltheprocess76 t1_iypmqpm wrote
This is such bullshit.. “ Back on September 1, police say she attacked another woman near the Spring Garden station.” I love how it requires more innocent people to get hurt weeks later for the police to pretend to serve and protect
dude_catastrophe t1_iypncft wrote
I feel like that’s a slippery slope, ethically speaking. It’s easy to say we should just forcibly remove someone who is presenting such obvious psychosis but what’s to stop a someone from claiming “mental illness” in bad faith on someone else just to have them carried away to a jail cell/crisis center? Aside from clear danger and life and death situations, there’s a reason we still require someone to go willingly into custody for mental illness.
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dude_catastrophe t1_iyppt4b wrote
I guess so, educate me then?
lordredsnake t1_iyprgbb wrote
I didn't know the SEPTA police chief was qualified to make mental health diagnoses.
zh_13 t1_iypte48 wrote
Idk I feel like there can be a pretty clear distinction between someone making things up and recorded events. Like if you make the burden of proof like this, which it kind of already is now, I’m pretty sure this woman will be forcefully treated/locked up now cause she is obviously not well
You can’t rely on people checking themselves into treatment because half of the ppl on the street would literally never do that but keep doing crazy/destructive shit like this until they hurt someone really bad like this
An_emperor_penguin t1_iyptnfl wrote
I understand the issues with detaining them but I will never understand how letting these people rot on the streets was the option society went with
Adventurous_Key3647 t1_iypu77e wrote
She’s attacked people before. She’s known around that area.
Adventurous_Key3647 t1_iypue5k wrote
If you wanna get really annoyed take a look at the comments on the watchoutphilly post on Instagram. The amount of “why didn’t she fight back?! She coulda at least done something!” And “awww she’s just mentally ill”. It’s so infuriating.
MacKelvey t1_iypvx4o wrote
it’s not a diagnosis. It’s an educated guess.
MacKelvey t1_iypw1s2 wrote
You don’t think the police were already looking for this lady after the first attack?
armhad t1_iypxhdu wrote
Yes, this past year has provided us many reasons to look up to those coveted nations you speak of
Jmarz166 t1_iypyyrw wrote
The solution isn’t locking them up it’s improving services to help homeless. Its more effective, humane, and cheaper than institutionalizing people
dc122186 t1_iyq1myw wrote
3 months looking? They need fucking glasses.
lordredsnake t1_iyq2usz wrote
"She definitely has to be suffering from some kind of mental illness." -Captain Rodger Walls
Everyone wants to scapegoat mental illness for violence. Not all violent people meet the criteria for being deemed mentally ill.
WiseRelationship7316 t1_iyq7rq6 wrote
God cause wtf
largeroastbeef t1_iyq8m53 wrote
Tax payers don’t want to pay for it. Maybe one day we will go back to a pre regan America with mental health hospitals but right now no one wants to increase taxes to pay that bill.
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MacKelvey t1_iyqb5m3 wrote
Because I’m sure it’s real easy to find a single person in a city of 1.5 million people.
CathedralEngine t1_iyqcupl wrote
Tune in to Tucker Carlson on Monday night on Fox News to find out what boogeyman du jour is responsible! /s
CathedralEngine t1_iyqcwt9 wrote
Put ‘em back in the snake pits
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FordMaverickFan t1_iyqifky wrote
Do any of the mayoral candidates have a plan on how they're going to tackle the crisis of mentally ill people assaulting others?
How many straws need to fall on a camel that had its back broken 4 years ago before our elected officials begin to care.
ats1788 t1_iyqmwrn wrote
That’s what I was thinking!! Why is everyone’s first reaction to someone getting hurt to record it?
fahkoffkunt t1_iyqn206 wrote
Broad and Spruce? How does this type of shit happen in the ONLY area that the PPD actually police? 🤦♂️
SignificanceExpert71 t1_iyqn387 wrote
What does that even mean? The person responsible is the one we can see clear as day on camera. Go touch some grass.
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DonQOnIce t1_iyqnebl wrote
Where does NYC and the other countries place them?
8_Foot_Vertical_Leap t1_iyqnm8n wrote
What would you say is the cause then for a pattern of attacking total strangers unprovoked? What was her reasoning, in sound mind, for doing this?
Namnagort t1_iyqnu8o wrote
If you are living on the street you should be helped and brought to a safe place where you could get rehabilitation.
Namnagort t1_iyqnwgh wrote
NYC announced a plan to do this because the situation is so bad. Did they actually accomplish it? The chances are slim
DonQOnIce t1_iyqo34s wrote
Yeah, I haven’t heard of this. I would support re-establishing state-run mental health facilities in general. But when I hear “remove”, alarm bells go off that it’s really just dumping them out of sight and not solving the problem. So I’m curious what is actually happening in the places that poster is referring to.
urachickenhead t1_iyqo3ej wrote
The attacker seems incredibly troubled, totally unwell. It’s crazy that people like that are even on the streets to begin with. I’ve had my encounters and it’s terrifying
familyofgeniuses t1_iyqoa28 wrote
Is she the same woman who lies down (fully conscious) in the middle of Walnut sometimes blocking the whole sidewalk? I saw two security ambassadors asking her “how would you feel if a mom with a stroller or a person in a wheelchair tried to pass by?” “I wouldn’t care.”
JIMMYJAWN t1_iyqocvm wrote
They didn’t lower taxes when Regan killed those hospitals. The money got spent on arms proliferation or whatever. The trick is to take money from somewhere else and put it back into public services.
But yes, convincing the feds to do that will be damn near impossible and the ‘easiest’ thing would be to do it at a municipal level and increase the city budget by raising taxes.
Fly__Eagles__Fly t1_iyqonhp wrote
Lmao shut the fuck up
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MeEvilBob t1_iyqplp8 wrote
There's never been more than a tiny handful of congressmen and senators who come from a working class family in a rough area. "The feds" are mostly rich suburban white guys who believe that all homeless people are only living on the street because they're too lazy to get a job.
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uptown_gargoyle t1_iyqpu4h wrote
Victim might have been a Dallas fan
MeEvilBob t1_iyqpvn2 wrote
Whichever mayor finally decides to stop ignoring Kensington isn't gonna have a whole lot of time for anything else.
FordMaverickFan t1_iyqq3pd wrote
This is Philadelphia
I'd rather we go bankrupt trying versus letting the issue continue to spread.
ScoutG t1_iyqq5e6 wrote
I think this was just announced and they haven’t started yet.
MeEvilBob t1_iyqq6cs wrote
Or maybe we follow Florida's lead and offer free bus rides from Kensington to Orlando.
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ActionJawnson t1_iyqqnog wrote
It's the bystander effect. No one wants to be the first to take action. Seeing something like this should force people to get involved.
Yolo_420_69 t1_iyqqy1w wrote
MeEvilBob t1_iyqr7ux wrote
In America, mental health is only for the rich. We used to have public mental health facilities, but the government just kept diverting their funding until these places couldn't exist anymore. There's no profit in taking care of mentally ill people who have no insurance and no family to cover the bill, so it will always be a back burner issue.
There's also the common belief that never going to a doctor and being diagnosed with a mental illness is the same as not having one. It's like saying that you know for a fact that you don't have cancer despite never being checked for it. Thanks to this, I think it's safe to say that the vast majority of people who suffer from treatable mental illnesses have no idea they have one and would not be very open to the idea of accepting it. My father is a prime example of this, very clearly suffers from depression the same way I do, but "I'm not crazy, so why should I go to a shrink?", so despite having top notch health care, he won't be taking anti-depressants or talking to a therapist any time soon.
PhillyPanda t1_iyqso0c wrote
Recording is helpful and also doesn’t lead to getting injured.
felldestroyed t1_iyqsqq0 wrote
Honestly, I'm eager to see if Eric Adam's plan in NYC is a) effective, b) constitutional (it likely isn't) and c) not too burdensome on hospitals. Also, I'm not entirely convinced this is something a city even can accomplish. What's to stop other smaller municipalities from simply bussing their "problems" into philly because they have no psych beds but philly has plenty of them. Either way, this would be much better taken care of on a state or even national level.
PhillyPanda t1_iyqt622 wrote
Simple assault is a misdemeanor, even if caught, they’d be free to do the same thing the next day
PhillyPanda t1_iyqtat1 wrote
>what’s to stop a someone from claiming “mental illness” in bad faith on someone else just to have them carried away to a jail cell/crisis center?
The court system.
ScienceWasLove t1_iyqtlfw wrote
Clinton was president for 8 years. Obama was president for 8 years. Biden has been in office for 2 years.
Stop blaming Reagan for policies that closed dated/corrupt facilities that were abusing patients. I know its popular on Reddit, but that was 40 years ago.
PhillyPanda t1_iyqtwb3 wrote
>half of the ppl on the street would literally never do that
They also can’t exactly afford it. Voluntary treatment is pretty pricey. It’s hard to get help for mental illness even when you have insurance.
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PhillyPanda t1_iyqu3mk wrote
We’ve actually recently proposed sending our jailed youth to Texas.
PhillyPanda t1_iyquiu7 wrote
If they’re a danger to themselves or a serious threat to others, the solution is locking them up until they are not a danger to themselves and others. It doesn’t matter if they’re homeless or not.
If they don’t cross that threshold, they have a civil right to be uninstitionalized and mentally ill, homeless or not
Bartleby_TheScrivene t1_iyqx89j wrote
I'd rather pay for asylums and sanitarium than for wider interstates and suburb septa projects but that's just me.
Darius_Banner t1_iyqxjcu wrote
The stupidity is that it quite literally costs taxpayers more by doing nothing in the long run.
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afdc92 t1_iyqy7yh wrote
The movement in the 80s and 90s for de-institutionalization was definitely good in some ways because there were so many people in hospitals who didn’t need to be there and would benefit from living and getting care in the community. But there are many more people who cannot or will not be compliant with treatment in the community and/or don’t have the services or support (from family, friends, greater community) to get it. Those are the people that you see living on the street, causing harm to themselves and others, who IMO need to be hospitalized for at least some period of time to get on a routine of meds that stabilize them and then get set up with services and supports when they go back into the community. But sadly I doubt that it will happen like it needs to because taxpayers don’t want to pay for it. So hospitalizing these people gets them off the street which will help temporarily but ultimately won’t do them much good if they’re released without a plan.
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ROBOT_KK t1_iyqzlaq wrote
Or damn prison system that does nothing about actual rehabilitation.
Dent7777 t1_iyr0vye wrote
NYC announced this, but they are only adding something like 50 beds. That's like announcing you are building a house and then only buying a few two by fours.
ChemicalPop5255 t1_iyr16o7 wrote
If only Philly had one of the largest and most funded police departments. Oh wait……
MoreShenanigans t1_iyr1ewa wrote
what the fuck
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Bartleby_TheScrivene t1_iyr1va4 wrote
Personally, it's not the prison system that's broken. It's that after you get out the stigma is so high that you cannot live a normal life.
If someone's debt to society is paid, then it shouldn't be the business of employers or whatnot.
Biz_Rito t1_iyr2lq3 wrote
If a roommate spilled milk on the carpet, and my other roommates didn't clean it up, they'd be asshats alright, but I'd still put the blame at the feet of the sonnovabitch who spilled it in the first place
External-Ad-7163 t1_iyr324z wrote
Philly is a third world country.
Sreyes150 t1_iyr3iik wrote
Government mental health facilities has some of the worst history in America. We never had it figured out!
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ElenorWoods t1_iyr5t84 wrote
Lol taxpayers will pay to lock her up with or without treatment.
Bloody_Smashing t1_iyr79qn wrote
Almost a non-issue to our upper-class leadership.
ElenorWoods t1_iyr7zjm wrote
I would argue that mental illness is only a defense for those that we fear to call “criminal.” This woman is a criminal. This woman is attacking people, yet people use the excuse of mental illness. I know mentally ill people and they don’t attack people. I don’t imagine people allowing the Oath Keepers to use mental illness as defense of them, despite mental illness likely being present. I’m tired of seeing mental illness be a defense of criminals.
As for the public mental institutions that the “government just kept diverting their funding until these places couldn’t exist anymore,” their closures stemmed from systemic abuse and isolation of patients that occurred within them. Honestly, fuck it; bring them back, but they were no better than a jail that operated on people against their wills. Stating that the government defunded what they called “lunatic asylums” to hurt those they served is simply untrue.
Withheld_BY_Duress t1_iyr86ry wrote
It's just a matter of time before she encounters the wrong woman and she draws on her, party over. This is what happens when you mainstream mentally ill people. For the government it's out of sight, out of mind. Let the public and ultimately the criminal justice system deal with it. How humane US society has become!
[deleted] t1_iyr8svs wrote
I don’t understand your point of view.
We got into this mess partly by closing asylums and letting the mentally ill run wild. Shitting in the streets, sleeping on the street, screaming at and assaulting random people.
Why do you think it’s better to just put up with that and wait (in vain) for them to just up and decide to seek help rather than commit them?
IrishWave t1_iyrb6g8 wrote
The issue isn't just the spending. Those hospitals / asylums only made sense when combined with laws that gave the government free reign to lock up anyone suspected of being mentally ill (aka homeless).
People like this aren't going to voluntarily check themselves into institutions.
Doktor_Konrad t1_iyrbdgj wrote
That sounds good on paper but then arsonists get hired as gasoline attendants, thieves for security…
And then Michael Vick starts walking your dog.
Bartleby_TheScrivene t1_iyrbz2c wrote
I've already been banned by reddit once for saying what thieves punishment should be. I'm not falling for this one again.
willashman t1_iyrd4dp wrote
I believe this would fall under the calls for declaring a state of emergency, to allow for better coordination of city departments. Rhynhart and Domb both called for a state of emergency.
Domb's call was focused on Kensington and drug issues:
Rhynhart's was focused on violent crime: > The current administration hasn’t even declared a crime emergency, which would activate the emergency operations center, bringing together every department in the city.
flamants t1_iyrd4j6 wrote
If you're like me can't watch these types of videos, but still want to get a look at the woman in case you know anything:
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baldude69 t1_iyre1bj wrote
Sucks how trashy WatchOutPhilly has become. It was a good idea but has turned into a cesspit
northeastunion t1_iyrekrl wrote
No Worries,
Larry Krasner, our beautiful District Attorney of Philadelphia will definitely send his thoughts and prayers to the victim and her family
apathetic_panda t1_iyrfqyj wrote
Spilled milk; fuck off...
Carpet cheese; WHODAFUQ!
mustang__1 t1_iyrhgtk wrote
He lowered funding back to where it was just a year or two prior. He didn't end it.
Mike81890 t1_iyrie22 wrote
It's easy to find somebody who continuously assaults people in the most recorded and patrolled part of the city if you're looking.
goodvibesandsunshine t1_iyrijea wrote
I’ve seen her walking down Broad Street. It was before this happened. But she does tend to stand out so I’m sure she’ll be found.
Mike81890 t1_iyriomq wrote
Did you read the article? There's clear video of her face
Mike81890 t1_iyriu06 wrote
... while muttering to herself.
I'm not a mental health professional either, but I feel pretty confident guessing
Refoloz t1_iyrk7z0 wrote
Bet that boot tastes delicious
MedicSBK t1_iyrl12y wrote
Yes I READ the article and WATCHED the video. Those are two different things. The media is great at leaving written descriptives out of articles leaving people to interpret them for themselves.
H00die5zn t1_iyrl6ox wrote
I got blocked by that trash ass page for questioning some of the information they posted. They run absolutely zero checks on what they post and don’t want to have any type of dialogue.
BadDesignMakesMeSad t1_iyrnmad wrote
Don’t even need to increase taxes to do that. Feds could close tax loopholes and make rich people pay their fair share of taxes and that would pay for it. maybe take a fraction of the overblown military budget. Or they could just print more money. It’s ridiculous that this nationwide crisis is pushed down to states and municipalities that are usually already strapped for cash.
mustang__1 t1_iyro9u7 wrote
Doesn't matter of you can afford it if you would never voluntarily go anywhere ... That's like the chicken and the cow.
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Away_Swimming_5757 t1_iyrozq1 wrote
It's a slippery slope worth finding balance on.
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_token_black t1_iyrr6uv wrote
Fuck Ronald Reagan. All my homies hate Ronald Reagan.
Since we're not on /r/politics (where you can't dance on graves), I'd love to take a post Taco Bell dump on his.
_token_black t1_iyrrgoa wrote
A judge that gets cases in & out of their docket are deemed successful. Justice and even getting the right person is an afterthought.
_token_black t1_iyrrkh8 wrote
Send them to the Sacklers' doorsteps. They haven't faced any consequences for turning millions into addicts.
jf1702 t1_iyrrmqc wrote
Like 2-3 times a week these days.
Total piece of shit.
Doktor_Konrad t1_iyrsbc9 wrote
One time a Reddit mod chopped off my hands 😂
Bartleby_TheScrivene t1_iyrsh5h wrote
It was an admin but yeh. Didn't like my comment about a armed serial robber.
familyofgeniuses t1_iyrt4tu wrote
It's crazy that I was able to recognize her as a menace just from going into center once a week or so and the police and security have been letting her wreak havoc for months.
Indiana_Jawnz t1_iyrt719 wrote
Only Mental hospitals didn't all close (spill) under Reagan. They have continually and steadily closed throughout the 1990s and 2000s, and continue to close today.
It's more like your one roommate spilled milk and then your other roommates all came in and knocked over more glasses of milk, and then nobody cleaned it up.
Haverford State closed in 1996, Allentown in 2010, Norristown continues to shrink.
It's not just the federal government either, state governments didn't (and don't) want to keep paying for these institutions. Since the advent of Psychopharmacology state hospital populations have continually shrunk since 1955 when hospital populations peaked (iirc give or take a few years).
ScienceWasLove t1_iyrtttk wrote
You see, Regan was bad, because he was old…. Oh wait…
bigmoneyswagger t1_iyru81a wrote
Sounds like she is a danger to society….why is she free to roam around the streets and attack people? There are special places for people that do that.
Adventurous_Key3647 t1_iyrulbo wrote
Just like Bill Burr said in his latest special back in the day you had like 10 minutes tops to act crazy in public before they’d throw you in a van. They just don’t do it anymore. I get that the practices back in the day were horrible and inhumane but a solution does need to happen. They’re a danger to others and themselves and harms the city as a whole. How does the richest country not have a way to handle this in a humane way?
bigmoneyswagger t1_iyrv0zt wrote
I wonder if we should adopt NYC’s new policy for this sort of stuff
Adventurous_Key3647 t1_iyrvgkh wrote
I’m not sure the context of what you said but there’s way too many people accusing that the victim may have started it or it was their fault in some way. Lots of the dialogue really is just victim blaming.
As the page suggests: “a place for women to spread the word about potentially harmful people on the streets in Philly.” And it is exactly that. I haven’t seen any evidence of trying to stir panic or an agenda. Every post has been legitimate as far as I’ve seen.
zh_13 t1_iyrw1pn wrote
I mean I agree with everything else except print more money, that’s a terrible idea and what leads to inflation
blinchik2020 t1_iyrw6oq wrote
>A judge that gets cases in & out of their docket are deemed successful. Justice and even getting the right person is an afterthought.
Judge Charles Hayden is guilty of this type of thing... anyone know any more?
Adventurous_Key3647 t1_iyrxew9 wrote
I know nyc gets a bad rap but at least I feel safe in their trains/ walking around. Not that I don’t feel safe here but nyc is doing something right. It got real cleaned up. It has a way to go but we haven’t even begun here.
TheBSQ t1_iyry1ge wrote
Involuntary commitment to psychiatric hospitals is common throughout the world and does not need to be horrific. There are plenty of ways to do it with safeguards and oversight.
It’s very heavily used in Japan, used at fairly high rates in places like Finland, Switzerland, etc. Its part of the reason those countries don’t feel as sketchy as the US when you visit. They don’t have mentally I’ll people just wandering the streets screaming weird shit, smearing poop on stuff, and acting erratic.
But here in the US, we decided that since we sucked at psychiatric commitment the past, we should never do it again.
The left convinced themselves this was the best thing to do to keep vulnerable people from being abused, and the right loved the idea of gutting free social / medical services.
And to this day, even in a era of hyper partisanship, it’s one of the few things where, when polled, the majority of the left, right, and center all say that involuntary psychiatric commitment is bad.
And every public and quasi-public space in nearly every big city suffers as a result.
But if we were to do it, I’d bet that people’s comfort using (and their support for) public stuff, like transit, would go up tremendously.
But as long as we let nut jobs roam free, there’s always going to be people who prefer to lock themselves in their own private steel box to travel around.
Raecino t1_iyryj18 wrote
Hahah feel safe on NYC trains? Are you joking? There’s been plenty of attacks on New York trains, far more than there have been here. The mentally ill often lurk in the subways in New York.
bigmoneyswagger t1_iyrympv wrote
I think it starts with the police, mayor, and DA acknowledging we have a bad problem and working together to actually do something beyond pointing fingers. You’re right, we are a long way off.
dc122186 t1_iyrysyj wrote
You think 1.5 million people match her description? Why didn't they make any video or photos public? Why are you so strong in your support of taxpayer supported workers clearly doing a poor job?
BadDesignMakesMeSad t1_iys00zj wrote
Not if you invest the money in things that help the economy. It’s certainly more risky than than the other methods but it’s something. I’m mostly just pointing out that the feds for sure could solve this issue if they wanted to without raising taxes. They just don’t want to
lordredsnake t1_iys1qui wrote
Found all the republicans blaming mental health instead of guns after mass shootings.
lordredsnake t1_iys2rlg wrote
What was Jeffrey Dahmer's cause? Or any number of other serial killers? Forget serial killers, how about the guys who shot up Roxborough high school and also killed someone the day before? Are they all mentally ill? Psychologists say no. Not every heinously violent person gets that diagnosis.
The SEPTA police captain here doesn't have any qualifications to make that judgment, and saying so downplays the severity of the attacks.
People here need to do a little reading.
Repulsive_Ad_4096 t1_iys326s wrote
they def gonna catch her bum ass
Adventurous_Key3647 t1_iys3f7q wrote
Yes I do feel safer. Despite what you see on social media. I am in nyc very often and I’ve never seen anything. Often the cars are very crowded and most people look decent just trying to pass the time.
In Philly, I’ve almost been attacked. The cars are always empty except for questionable looking people. Idk if it’s my luck but every time I ride the BSL it’s empty except for a few very shady looking characters and of course they try to talk to me. I’m just over it.
isotope_322 t1_iys3m4e wrote
They shut down most of the psychiatric hospitals in the 80’s to save money lol. We don’t have enough doctors/nurses to staff our regular hospitals, let alone reopen psych hospitals
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bigmoneyswagger t1_iys4a10 wrote
The rates of these attacks are astronomically low. You need to consider how many people / trains are in NYC. Naturally there are more incidences, but as a % they are extremely low.
phoenix762 t1_iys4ecb wrote
Poor kid. That’s why I have a taser in my handbag. Ugh
Raecino t1_iys4udv wrote
I lived in NYC for 12 years, you get a better idea of the safety when you live there compared to just visiting. There’s definitely been more consistent attacks on the subways there compared to attacks on the trains here. Of course personal experience varies but overall NYC subways are more dangerous.
Raecino t1_iys5489 wrote
The rates of the attacks are high, not low. I’m not sure where you got that from but I’ve seen the difference with my own eyes and from experiences of family and friends who live in NYC. Philly is more dangerous than New York there’s no question about that, but attacks from mentally ill people on the subway happen much more frequently in New York than in Philly.
Adventurous_Key3647 t1_iys56br wrote
This is what I think. Plus it’s just like herd mentality for me. I feel safer knowing that if I go onto a subway in nyc at any time it will be packed with people. In Philly, rush hour might even have just 1 or 2 people. And I’ve just been targeted one too many times already. I no longer take the train here.
bigmoneyswagger t1_iys5qx6 wrote
They happen more frequently because there are astronomically more trains / rides. We literally have 3 light rail lines.
You need to look at rates not gross number of incidences. That’s like saying there are more murders in nyc than Philly so nyc is less safe. Makes no sense.
Raecino t1_iys649r wrote
There’s more murders in Philly though, not just comparing rates. And going by the rate I’d still say there are more attacks on nyc trains. You wouldn’t know that if you didn’t spend considerable time in NYC taking the subway.
bigmoneyswagger t1_iys6dwl wrote
I think it’s well known NYC trains are safer than Philly trains. So I’ll just leave it at that, not worth arguing further.
bigmoneyswagger t1_iys6mg2 wrote
Wow, well said.
phoenix762 t1_iys9iad wrote
In theory, it’s an excellent idea, mental health care is just lacking terribly.
Problem is, once the person is picked up and sent to the ER….where do they go?
They already have serious overcrowding.
Health care is broken.
Accomplished-Low-173 t1_iys9l2n wrote
Right, but cmon. Compare the el and BSL to any line in New York. Our trains are much more sketch, it’s not even comparable. Even if you take the train to the Bronx, it’s just feels much more civilized. The mta is huge compared to septa, you have to consider rates
Accomplished-Low-173 t1_iysa481 wrote
The funny (sad) thing is, Philly has not only a higher murder rate then NYC, but also way more murders in absolute numbers.
iwantachillipepper t1_iysa59k wrote
I had someone a few months ago run smack into me, on purpose, which knocked me to the ground. She finished running to the corner and then just stared back at me. I got up and walked away, but I’m now wondering if it was this lady.
Accomplished-Low-173 t1_iysa84s wrote
Have you actually taken the subway? It isn’t only much safer then septa, it feels like it too.
ElectricTiger391 t1_iysakjn wrote
What cross street?
Accomplished-Low-173 t1_iysamy2 wrote
Where did you live? I lived in Bed Stuy (not the gentrified Bed Stuy, but near Broadway Junction Bed Stuy) and the trains are much safer in NYC. Even in Brownsville and in the worst areas of the Bronx
Vague_Disclosure t1_iysaz15 wrote
Is it essentailly a local version of citizen?
baldude69 t1_iysbzra wrote
Sort of. It was made to call out dangerous individuals who had been harassing or attacking people
Do_it_with_care t1_iysccxv wrote
Your right they are low. I see thousands of people riding every day and traveling with my Nurse bag into some seedy areas I’ve not had a problem in 30 years. Keep in mind millions of folks take public transport every day. There’s over 8 million people living in such a tight area, so yeah it’s amazing the amount of freedom there is compared to other cities, considering that the danger is low. Born and raised in Philly during the 60’s & 70’s and didn’t have a problem either. Sure they’re mentally ill folks but not as wild as some of the countries I’ve stayed in abroad.
Vague_Disclosure t1_iyscf9c wrote
How could that possibly be abused /s
Vague_Disclosure t1_iyscrnw wrote
Don't expect much economic literacy on Reddit
theaccountant856 t1_iysczeq wrote
We just need to increase funding to o after school programs and then maybe she wouldn’t be bearing the shit outa people
Vague_Disclosure t1_iyse0xk wrote
Not to mention during Reagan's presidency Democrats controlled the House and the last two years of his second term they controlled both the House and Senate. I don't feel like looking up actual vote counts but there had to be some bipartisanship to end the asylum programs.
canihavemymoneyback t1_iysfvvm wrote
They don’t have to raise taxes. Take the money from whatever failure programs are running at the moment. Because you know there must be some agency whose job it is to deal with mentally ill criminals. Right?
There must be someone who is charged with making it safe to walk in center city in broad daylight? Hmmmm. What would their job title be? Hmmmmm. Take the money and redistribute it.
Just don’t call it defunding. Find a better word.
Raecino t1_iysgh3a wrote
I’m talking less of how it feels and the actual attacks that have taken place on New York trains
Raecino t1_iysgn38 wrote
I lived in NYC for 12 years, and yes I was taking the subway the entire time I lived there. I witnessed violence more often on New York trains than I ever have in Philly. People get pushed in front of trains far more often in New York than happens here in Philly.
Raecino t1_iysh96p wrote
Doubt that. I lived in Astoria Queens and East Harlem. I worked as a realtor so I took the trains to every part of the city almost every single day. Not only were fights more common on New York trains but incidents where mentally ill people randomly attacked others is more common there. I knew coworkers who were attacked (one was stabbed trying to intervene when a mentally ill man attacked a pregnant woman), my cousin was beat over the head with a pipe on a train in queens, I’ve gotten into a fight myself there as well among many other examples I could give personally and what’s been on the news. It’s just not true that the trains are more dangerous in Philly.
BellyFullOfMochi t1_iyshmpy wrote
Adams has been copying play by play Mayor Koch, who was also a failure.
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Accomplished-Low-173 t1_iysjqp4 wrote
Well ok, 125th st Lexington av is probably the absolute worst station in NYC. But Queens? Even Jamaica Center (which is most likely the most “sketch” station in Queens) is MUCH nicer than City Hall. Idk bro. You might have been unlucky. I mean Astoria? Can’t get safer than that neighborhood, including the Subway
TantricEmu t1_iysmlt5 wrote
Just because you ride the subway in NYC doesn’t mean you know the numbers of frequency and rates of violence. This info is collected and analyzed, not based on “feel” of people who live there.
I haven’t checked either numbers so I’m not making any claims here, maybe you’re right or wrong, but your experience of riding the subway isn’t exactly scientific.
PatReady t1_iysngmt wrote
Any reason there isnt cops up and down droab st yet?
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justanawkwardguy t1_iysseip wrote
As others have pointed out, this woman tends to stick to one area and stands out like a sore thumb.
wndrlust86 t1_iyst97m wrote
Philly doesn’t have plenty of psych beds either! There’s always a shortage of beds and sometimes people have to wait to get one. Not only that some inpatient psych facilities have overworked and are low on staff. So adding more beds needs to come with better pay and increase in staff.
MacKelvey t1_iysurwb wrote
The article says she's been attacking people in various neighborhoods, she isn't sticking to one area.
H00die5zn t1_iysvc22 wrote
My bad. Definitely had a rage response haha. It was in reference to the watchoutphilly page and the amount of victim blaming etc. They have posted pictures of people previously (then deleted upon backlash) of houseless individuals and others with mental illness and when there is the slightest pushback or chance for dialogue, you are blocked. They came off at times as “omg a crazy person!” and what some would call “basic white women”. Maybe they’ve changed but the experiences that I’ve had with them and their followers wasn’t anything to write home about.
felldestroyed t1_iysvgpt wrote
Well, in this scenario, the city would fund more long term solutions (ICF/ID, group homes, and for short term, a couple wings at a hospital. The problem is: aside from out patient care, of which is actually swimming in money from grants currently but also of course has staffing issues, funding long and short term solutions is off the table, because medicaid doesn't pay anything in PA, so it's simply not profitable and will lead to really bad quality homes/facilities.
So yeah, I don't really care what a mayor proposes. It's going to be lip service until state and federal officials get a long term plan and no one wants higher taxes.
MotorFly71 t1_iyt0lm7 wrote
Sunday, noon, Broad & Spruce - no doubt it was busy & not a single fucking person helped? Fucking shit-hole city.
JBizznass OP t1_iyt159n wrote
This is sarcasm right?
theaccountant856 t1_iyt2vq0 wrote
Raecino t1_iyt691j wrote
So check the numbers and come back and tell us. Because I can guarantee you the numbers back what I’m saying. You didn’t live in NYC did you, so how would you know? Since you don’t have the numbers or the “feel” to be able to argue this with me. Show me some facts if you have them.
TantricEmu t1_iyt6nkk wrote
Well I don’t care that much, but you seem convinced. I’m also not making any claims. You are making claims though, so why don’t you show some numbers?
toss_it_out_tomorrow t1_iytb7zk wrote
>mental illness is only a defense for those that we fear to call “criminal.”
for real. there's a ton of mentally ill folks out there who aren't assaulting people, or shooting people, or raping people.
Mental illness is no excuse. People need to start walking with sticks
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Indiana_Jawnz t1_iytx1jx wrote
It also does not stop the victim from being hurt or killed.
WonderfulGuide306 t1_iyugxjs wrote
I’m gonna need a source on right wingers saying involuntary commitment of the criminally insane is bad.
WonderfulGuide306 t1_iyuha63 wrote
And why might that be
lemming-leader12 t1_iyukf9g wrote
Bro I moved from Philly to NYC. In Philly I never used the trains because they hardly got you anywhere and they were sketchy as fuck.
ElenorWoods t1_iyur7ii wrote
Or they could just start locking up criminals so we don’t have to walk with sticks, but who am I.
napsdufroid t1_iyuwfaz wrote
Unpopular opinion, but considering how ineffective the police are on her situation, she needs to try this shit with the wrong person and get her clock cleaned.
massivetypo t1_iyv3b6p wrote
My comment was removed as Reddit says I was threatening (to use force to stop an innocent victim from being harmed) by a person who has done this multiple times.
toss_it_out_tomorrow t1_iyvb6oh wrote
Of course, but that should be immediately after the self defense ass whoopin by walking stick. Seeing that video made me wish it was me she went after, ya know
gimmethatburger420 t1_iyvedi2 wrote
you disagree that the right wing doesn’t want to spend government money on social services? it was Reagan who gutted their federal funding
baldude69 t1_iyvqyc6 wrote
Yep social media is a pox
napsdufroid t1_iywdk8j wrote
Droab St?
PatReady t1_iywegtr wrote
Lol broad. Was pretty sick when I posted lol
napsdufroid t1_iywfsad wrote
All good.
MacKelvey t1_iypkaxs wrote
They have some really good pictures of her face. Hopefully someone recognizes her and turns her in