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Indiana_Jawnz t1_j26mznl wrote

These things shouldn't be taking up the sidewalk and making them impassable to pedestrians but honestly I don't care if they take up some parking or if they close off restaurant heavy side streets and put them there, like they did on Sansom by 15th.

And I say this as a tradesmen who has to park his 2500HD truck in CC.

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PhillyPanda t1_j25meww wrote

Sounds like only 22 are scrambling , the rest didn’t care to apply

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DonQOnIce t1_j25xks2 wrote

Weren’t these requirements announced several months ago? If they’re scrambling, they could have started on it earlier.

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nolandeluca OP t1_j267fsg wrote

They were, they just didn't care 🤣

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DonQOnIce t1_j267wyl wrote

I mean, I can certainly relate to waiting until the last possible moment to do something at least.

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SnooOwls7978 t1_j26yfz3 wrote

I hate having to awkwardly walk through Parc's bustling streetery all the time to get to my work. Either that or cross the street, when it's faster to use the walkway they are taking up. I don't blame the servers at all but they are ALWAYS moving across or down the middle of the sidewalk because of the way it's set up. I feel really bad that they have to work like that.

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NoREEEEEEtilBrooklyn t1_j272ur1 wrote

Parc was exactly what I was thinking of. I hate that. Sidewalks are for walking, not eating.

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dirtymatt t1_j29ttys wrote

Parc has been in violation of the existing sidewalk rules forever. They’re required to keep the greater of half the width of the sidewalk, or 6 feet completely clear for pedestrian traffic. They don’t come close to leaving that much space open.

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StevenFromPhilly t1_j25r6lu wrote

Yeah its past time to knock down those bullshit huts.
Be open or don't.

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Alright_Smartphone t1_j27jhz8 wrote

For real, I can think of a dozen at least that are ramshackle, pieces of shit that could collapse or catch fire at any moment and have always been a safety hazard.

All those well designed, well-built, actual effort put in, sure, I think they should be given some leeway to become compliant. But a bunch of shit like I see in the South Street/Queens Village area... Christ they look like a toddler built them.

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mynameisntjeffrey t1_j279mik wrote

Honesty I’d rather see these way more than I’d like to see someone’s parked car, but when they’re in the corner of the street and it’s hard to look around it while biking or driving then I don’t care for it.

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piper4hire t1_j26gp0m wrote

I think bullshit huts is an excellent name. imma use that!

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nolandeluca OP t1_j25tfpk wrote

We got some salty downvoters here 🤣🤣🤣 guess they don't realize that trades keep our city running 🤣

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Crackorjackzors t1_j26n59h wrote

My unpopular opinion is that I didn't like these streeteries anyway.

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themoneybadger t1_j295pdz wrote

It feels pretty shitty to book a table a nice restaurant and they want to put you outside in a wooden shack inhaling car fumes.

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joshjosh111 t1_j26y2yf wrote

I know a restaurant owner in Philly. He said that the regulations would be impossible to comply with right now, because there are so many requirements and he can't afford to meet them all within the deadline. He is working slowly on getting his streeterie setup, but for the next 6 months - 1 year, he won't be able to have one.

We might see streeteries dissappear suddenly, then come back as the restaurateurs get set up.

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PhillyPanda t1_j29m9c0 wrote

I’m sure we’ll see more places go for pavement and platform streeteries in the summertime when heating isn’t an issue and people genuinely want to sit outside

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barchueetadonai t1_j25jt1q wrote

Fucking bullshit they can’t have propane heaters

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nolandeluca OP t1_j25ky91 wrote

Yeah except you have them putting those tall propane heaters under a structure with a plastic roof, I've legit watched the ones in front of Cavs catch fire

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LFKhael t1_j25k1i3 wrote

Any time something flammable gets banned from a certain spot, it's because that kills people in some form or another.

A lot of these things have wood or plastic roofing, and their ceilings are low.

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barchueetadonai t1_j25k7bq wrote

No, it’s because it sounds like fire. Propane tanks can be perfectly safe as long as the structure is compliant.

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barchueetadonai t1_j264zu4 wrote

Propane heaters are the only way to heat an outdoor food area in the winter and there are ways to make the structures safe for propane tanks.

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barchueetadonai t1_j26j7m4 wrote

The moment indoor dining resumed, it was still way too dangerous for many people to actually eat inside. Then also, there’s the obvious fact that the restaurant is also artificially heated unless perpetually in direct, daylight sunshine (impossible outside of the arctic circle last time I checked).

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kellyoohh t1_j26okep wrote

None of these outdoor seating areas have enough airflow in the winter to make a discernible difference in virus transmission from indoor dining. They are closed on 3 sides (sometimes 4) and heated. It’s basically like eating indoors from a viral transmission standpoint. And worse in some cases as you’re in smaller quarters.

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nolandeluca OP t1_j2679d9 wrote

Exactly! Time to be done with it, I'm surprised a Septa bus hasn't gone through one yet... If they need more space lease a new restaurant 🤣

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Hipsterskumm t1_j26sqzs wrote

Why do you want to eat as a SEPTA bus or my diesel dump truck rumbles by? Do you like a tinge of exhaust with your risotto? Maybe some antifreeze to go with your antipasto

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AnarKitty-Esq t1_j277x7m wrote

They're using public space for free and creating a huge nuisance for pedestrians at places like Parc. I have no sympathy if they don't want/can't afford to meet regulations.

I'm totally cool with having some made permanent if they're placed on the street in former parking space and made safer (had a car bump into one outside a bar while trying to park), but they should not take sidewalk space.

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unsolvedneedtoknow t1_j29l69p wrote

I never have or will eat in one of these streeteries located on parking spaces. My immediate thought when they first started popping up was that someone would crash into them and knowing it has happened several times They should also not be impeding people from using the sidewalks- I often wonder about how folks in wheelchairs manage as it is when many parts of the city have tiny sidewalks in bad condition.

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nolandeluca OP t1_j25j4e2 wrote

It's about damn time, the parking situation has been horrible for tradespeople the last few years. My restaurant customers constantly whine about the garage parking fee I charge when they have one of these in front of their restaurant...

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CerealJello t1_j25omdz wrote

Tradespeople would be better served getting rarely used cars off the road. Getting rid of these won't make parking significantly easier.

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ult420 t1_j25vjwy wrote

Genuine question- don’t tradespeople need cars the most to transport their tools and stuff? I agree we should lessen cars in the city but people hauling wood and heavy pieces of metal probably need their own vehicles way more than say a white collar worker

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LFKhael t1_j25vwal wrote

How did you read that comment and decide they were talking about clearing trades vehicles off the street?

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ScienceWasLove t1_j267815 wrote

Sure it will. There will be more room for delivery men and repair men.

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nolandeluca OP t1_j25oto0 wrote

You and I both know that ain't happening any time soon 🤣

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CerealJello t1_j25p2v1 wrote

It can happen if we promote policy changes that make it harder to own a car that's rarely used.

-City wide street sweeping.

-Much higher registration fees for multiple cars owned at one property.

Edit: I'll add in adding many more short term loading zones so delivery drivers don't need to block crosswalks or double park.

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nolandeluca OP t1_j25pqp3 wrote

When I lived in strawberry mansion they implemented street cleaning, it definitely removed a lot of abandoned cars from the streets, but the rarely used ones just accepted and paid the ticket, good money booster but not a fix to the actual problem of not having a very walkable city (Septa is great but not very time efficient)

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alittlemouth t1_j25wy4q wrote

Get a decent CPA and deduct parking. If you aren’t the owner, have the business reimburse you for parking expenses. Either way, quit bitching.

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nolandeluca OP t1_j25x9bb wrote

I typically get them to reimburse parking, but they always bitch about it...

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