It's about damn time, the parking situation has been horrible for tradespeople the last few years. My restaurant customers constantly whine about the garage parking fee I charge when they have one of these in front of their restaurant...

Fucking bullshit they can’t have propane heaters

Any time something flammable gets banned from a certain spot, it's because that kills people in some form or another.

A lot of these things have wood or plastic roofing, and their ceilings are low.

No, it’s because it sounds like fire. Propane tanks can be perfectly safe as long as the structure is compliant.

Yeah except you have them putting those tall propane heaters under a structure with a plastic roof, I've legit watched the ones in front of Cavs catch fire

Sounds like only 22 are scrambling , the rest didn’t care to apply

Tradespeople would be better served getting rarely used cars off the road. Getting rid of these won't make parking significantly easier.

You and I both know that ain't happening any time soon 🤣

It can happen if we promote policy changes that make it harder to own a car that's rarely used.

-City wide street sweeping.

-Much higher registration fees for multiple cars owned at one property.

Edit: I'll add in adding many more short term loading zones so delivery drivers don't need to block crosswalks or double park.

When I lived in strawberry mansion they implemented street cleaning, it definitely removed a lot of abandoned cars from the streets, but the rarely used ones just accepted and paid the ticket, good money booster but not a fix to the actual problem of not having a very walkable city (Septa is great but not very time efficient)

Yeah its past time to knock down those bullshit huts.
Be open or don't.

We got some salty downvoters here 🤣🤣🤣 guess they don't realize that trades keep our city running 🤣

Genuine question- don’t tradespeople need cars the most to transport their tools and stuff? I agree we should lessen cars in the city but people hauling wood and heavy pieces of metal probably need their own vehicles way more than say a white collar worker

How did you read that comment and decide they were talking about clearing trades vehicles off the street?

Get a decent CPA and deduct parking. If you aren’t the owner, have the business reimburse you for parking expenses. Either way, quit bitching.

I typically get them to reimburse parking, but they always bitch about it...

Weren’t these requirements announced several months ago? If they’re scrambling, they could have started on it earlier.

Sorry I am an idiot lol

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Propane heaters are the only way to heat an outdoor food area in the winter and there are ways to make the structures safe for propane tanks.

Such a waste of fissile fuels. Eat inside.

Sure it will. There will be more room for delivery men and repair men.

Exactly! Time to be done with it, I'm surprised a Septa bus hasn't gone through one yet... If they need more space lease a new restaurant 🤣

They were, they just didn't care 🤣

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I mean, I can certainly relate to waiting until the last possible moment to do something at least.

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This city council is just a real headache at times

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Get this shit off the street

I think bullshit huts is an excellent name. imma use that!

The moment indoor dining resumed, it was still way too dangerous for many people to actually eat inside. Then also, there’s the obvious fact that the restaurant is also artificially heated unless perpetually in direct, daylight sunshine (impossible outside of the arctic circle last time I checked).

These things shouldn't be taking up the sidewalk and making them impassable to pedestrians but honestly I don't care if they take up some parking or if they close off restaurant heavy side streets and put them there, like they did on Sansom by 15th.

And I say this as a tradesmen who has to park his 2500HD truck in CC.

My unpopular opinion is that I didn't like these streeteries anyway.

None of these outdoor seating areas have enough airflow in the winter to make a discernible difference in virus transmission from indoor dining. They are closed on 3 sides (sometimes 4) and heated. It’s basically like eating indoors from a viral transmission standpoint. And worse in some cases as you’re in smaller quarters.

Why do you want to eat as a SEPTA bus or my diesel dump truck rumbles by? Do you like a tinge of exhaust with your risotto? Maybe some antifreeze to go with your antipasto

I know a restaurant owner in Philly. He said that the regulations would be impossible to comply with right now, because there are so many requirements and he can't afford to meet them all within the deadline. He is working slowly on getting his streeterie setup, but for the next 6 months - 1 year, he won't be able to have one.

We might see streeteries dissappear suddenly, then come back as the restaurateurs get set up.

I hate having to awkwardly walk through Parc's bustling streetery all the time to get to my work. Either that or cross the street, when it's faster to use the walkway they are taking up. I don't blame the servers at all but they are ALWAYS moving across or down the middle of the sidewalk because of the way it's set up. I feel really bad that they have to work like that.

Parc was exactly what I was thinking of. I hate that. Sidewalks are for walking, not eating.

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They're using public space for free and creating a huge nuisance for pedestrians at places like Parc. I have no sympathy if they don't want/can't afford to meet regulations.

I'm totally cool with having some made permanent if they're placed on the street in former parking space and made safer (had a car bump into one outside a bar while trying to park), but they should not take sidewalk space.

Honesty I’d rather see these way more than I’d like to see someone’s parked car, but when they’re in the corner of the street and it’s hard to look around it while biking or driving then I don’t care for it.

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For real, I can think of a dozen at least that are ramshackle, pieces of shit that could collapse or catch fire at any moment and have always been a safety hazard.

All those well designed, well-built, actual effort put in, sure, I think they should be given some leeway to become compliant. But a bunch of shit like I see in the South Street/Queens Village area... Christ they look like a toddler built them.

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always has been

It feels pretty shitty to book a table a nice restaurant and they want to put you outside in a wooden shack inhaling car fumes.

i'm fine if they disappeared for good

I never have or will eat in one of these streeteries located on parking spaces. My immediate thought when they first started popping up was that someone would crash into them and knowing it has happened several times They should also not be impeding people from using the sidewalks- I often wonder about how folks in wheelchairs manage as it is when many parts of the city have tiny sidewalks in bad condition.

I’m sure we’ll see more places go for pavement and platform streeteries in the summertime when heating isn’t an issue and people genuinely want to sit outside

Parc has been in violation of the existing sidewalk rules forever. They’re required to keep the greater of half the width of the sidewalk, or 6 feet completely clear for pedestrian traffic. They don’t come close to leaving that much space open.

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