DeviantArt AI Update: Now Artists Will Be "Opted Out" For AI DatasetsSubmitted by LittleTimmyTheFifth5 t3_ystjji in singularity
Sashinii t1_iw0w8za wrote
Oh no, a lot of DeviantArt's ugly western fan art won't be in AI training datasets?! Good.
AI will soon allow everyone to make whatever art they want, and no stupid copyright or yuppie mouse will change this fact; corporations will try to enforce artificial scarcity, but it won't work.
ReadSeparate t1_iw0xb6p wrote
You’re getting downvoted but you’re speaking straight facts tbh. Human art is gunna be irrelevant in less than 5 years, aside from people who want art specifically made by humans. These kinds of things people are bitching about don’t matter, in just a few short years these models will advance so much they won’t need any new training data anyway. They’ll be able to get what they need and these artists will still be out of a job.
That said, my heart goes out to the artists losing their livelihoods at the altar of profit and technological progress, we ought to have a UBI/unemployment program for automation job loss.
calendarised t1_iw1rul1 wrote
How exactly will human art be irrelevant in less than 5 years?
Chess AI demolishes our best players by a landslide and chess is probably the most alive its ever been in its history. I don't see how art being done by computers (assuming they actually improve enough) is going to make human art irrelevant.
Opticalzone t1_iw1syze wrote
If an AI can make every movie, tv show, or youtube video that I ever liked reliably I would quit social media forever.
calendarised t1_iw1utk7 wrote
Please correct me if I'm wrong,
Do you mean to say that as long as you are entertained, you are not in need of human art? I think I can understand that. Like a hedonist, right?
I think art is important as a means and avenue of expression. Expressing politics, common sentiment, etc. Things that are all human. Yes, an AI can create something to the same quality and execution (or better), but it doesn't have intent. It doesn't have that relatability, that a person might have, when walking under a bridge, seeing some graffiti on on the pylon that says "Fuck Putin". Something about that particular spot under the bridge, something about a kid risking his short measly life in a tense political climate, just to put their thoughts on something physical. Something about that gives meaning like no form of entertainment can. (to me at least). An AI can probably put the words together in a cooler way, with better colour control or what have you... but a person, who did it in the middle of the night, wilfully putting up self-incriminating evidence for all to see... no AI can make me feel that.
I'm interested to know what are your thoughts on that - Do you feel like reaching singularity necessarily means no thoughts, no politics and no intent?
AsuhoChinami t1_iw2291j wrote
Commissioning art for money will likely be hit very hard. Art as a hobby will never die though, and there will always be popular human artists.
Opticalzone t1_iw6dnkd wrote
Sorry for the late reply but yes to the first one. All I care about is being entertained. Everything else comes second. Yes like a hedonist.
I don't think reaching the singularity means any of the three you mentioned. I think as we approach the singularity more possibilities to open up. For example, if you wanted to live off solar power off the grid that is more realistic than 10 years ago. The further you go back in time things, in general, become more limiting. As time goes on it will become more realistic to expect to be living off the grid, expecting to live beyond 200 due to advancing medicine, living in VR, etc.
IndependenceRound453 t1_iw1xv0i wrote
You wouldn't want to socialize with other people anymore?
Opticalzone t1_iw3o703 wrote
No. No possibility of negative attention. Why would I want that?
IndependenceRound453 t1_iw44ucs wrote
You know life isn't just flowers and rainbows, right?
rixtil41 t1_iw4j5h9 wrote
I think he knows that but I think he's trying to say that he can make his own challenges that he would rather have. In stead of being forced to deal with other ones.
Opticalzone t1_iw6dspc wrote
Yes, but why should I not be allowed to make my self happier?
stainfellow t1_iw2r0p8 wrote
Haha no - he wants to exclusively watch AI generated movies that he’s incapable of talking about with literally anyone because they’re all based on prompts his shitty imagination conjured, like those YouTube videos made for children of Spider-Man and Elsa crashing their truck into Thomas the Tank
IndependenceRound453 t1_iw2xtu8 wrote
Lol. If that's the case, it's kinda sad though.
stainfellow t1_iw2za4n wrote
It’s incredibly sad. These nerds have no idea what they’re actually fantasizing about. Dude should just do heroin.
loodolodo t1_iw5hua5 wrote
It would certainly be interesting to see AI eventually make media that hits every "pleasure points" of our brains through algorithms that everyone gets addicted
stainfellow t1_iw3ouch wrote
Lol sorry - I just still can’t stop thinking about how hilariously pathetic this comment is.
All of human history, art has been used to connect with ones fellow man. Artists bearing their soul and giving a glimpse into the workings of their heart. The communal experience of audiences coming together to witness and wrestle with a creations meaning. Experiencing a work of poetry Or literature that challenges ones perceptions of the world, or affirms the human spirit.
And now these dorks think art’s highest aspiration is to be a series of colors and shapes that show them exactly what they already think they want to see so that they never have to consider another human again. Just sit in the dark being fed meaningless stimulation.
Have fun with “Transformer Batman and make it anti-feminist” or whatever movie you’re dreaming of putting into a promt
Opticalzone t1_iw3q0w9 wrote
Why would I want to deal with negative responses?
ReadSeparate t1_iw3ivdm wrote
Let me clarify, I’m not saying it will go away as a hobby or as a passion, just the percentage of people who are doing it for money will be a TINY fraction of those who are doing it for money today.
Think of the numbers of horses being used for transportation today vs the number of horses being used for transportation before the invention of cars. Horses for transportation are irrelevant today compared to back then.
visarga t1_iw4gbng wrote
Before the PC there were plenty of professional typists and secretaries. Their jobs disappeared or were transformed, and we got an even larger number of office jobs on PC.
Generative AI will support jobs in many fields - medicine, design, advertising, hobbies and fan fiction. Art itself might get a paradigm shift soon, as humans strive to find something AI can't do. The same happened when photography was popularised, and look how many more uses photography has then painting used to have.
ReadSeparate t1_iw4nifp wrote
I’m not saying this group of people are going to be permanently unemployed, I’m saying they’re not going to be making art for money. Many of them may facilitate the process somehow, like prompt engineering, etc, but that’s very different and FAR less time consuming than actually creating art.
spazzadourx t1_iw3p5k7 wrote
As jobs they will be irrelevant. Art is technically already irrelevant in traditional mediums, I mean try telling your mom you want to be a water colour artist and would like to go to art school. You have a better chance making money painting houses than canvases.
But some people manage to make a good living as concept artists, comission fan art, graphic design and all that. Proper stable jobs in fields like game dev being paid as much as the software guys it wasnt a bad career path. those jobs will be gone now. It's irrelevant in a way that matters the most, making money.
visarga t1_iw4g75u wrote
> those jobs will be gone now
But new jobs will appear, and new applications that were too expensive will become possible.
Mach10vector t1_iw2gcb5 wrote
I kind of disagree with the “artist will be out of job” part. We have seen this fear when cameras were introduced and that didn't kill realistic art and I think it will happen again with AIs. Yeah, they will have a place in society, but that doesn't mean they are displacing artists, just getting their new space for them, just like cinematography and photography didn't displaced painting or sculptures.
Blackmail30000 t1_iw28y7z wrote
Why specifically western?
Brangible t1_iwekimy wrote
Deviantart has all the poorly drawn anime females with Huge boobs you could ask for
stainfellow t1_iw2pmaz wrote
You will never make any actual art :)
IndependenceRound453 t1_iw1ne7n wrote
>no stupid copyright
Who gives a damn about the rule of law, amirite?
Edit: Getting downvoted for supporting the rule of law. Wow.
WickedDemiurge t1_iw3ly2r wrote
>Who gives a damn about the rule of law, amirite?
No morally decent person cares about this all that much. If you do, you support Iran executing teen girls for protesting for human rights.
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The better question is whether copyright lines up well with economic incentives and ethics, and that's a long discussion. The TLDR is it does more good than harm at present, but there is a lot of harm in the process and it might not always be the best way of organizing art.
visarga t1_iw4jdkc wrote
Copyright law generally protects the fixation of an idea in a “tangible medium of expression,” not the idea itself, or any processes or principles associated.
Neural networks don't store images inside, they decompose these images into elementary concepts and then recompose new images from such concepts. Basically they learn the unprotected part of the training set.
Think about it in size: 4 billion images shrunk into 4GB, that means a measly byte per input image. Not even a full pixel! It certainly has no space to store those images. It can only store general principles.
Getting offended for having a single byte learned from one of your images seems unjustified. On the other hand it looks ugly how pre-AI artists are gatekeeping the new wave of AI assisted artists. Let people eat cake.
footurist t1_iw3nh4i wrote
I feel like this whole AI art thing exposes a lot of people with questionable ethics and morality. It's kind of a shock really when you witness this widespread obnoxious behavior and lack of empathy... But such is life I guess, lol.
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