I don’t think people are gunna care about Reddit after the singularity, some time before that even.

Ongoing discussion - it's a process, not an instant event (well barring an extreme example of the intelligence explosion model anyways). Now after all that, I really have no idea. Discussion of topics that came out of it?

Probably will be kept around for historical purposes, like a digital museum.

Literal 'singularity' would mean we all merge and become one with the sub, just as we become one with everything else.

But that's not really what most of us mean by 'singularity'(not that I'm the authority on it, or can even succinctly define it myself).

So it's just going to continue on, discussing the various stages of our journey toward literal 'singularity' as we approach but do not not actually arrive at that point - like an asymtote.

I, for one, am probably going to keep debating that we aren't there, yet. At some point, I will be completely wrong, but I'll say something like

>Sure, I'm writing this from my disposable AR contact lenses that my multimatter factory made this morning while I watched the first human landing on Europa, but everyone knew this was going to happen once we put that weak AI "Bob" in charge of the science budget. Remember how we all liked the For All Mankind reference? Anyway, things clearly aren't moving quickly enough to be the Singularity, or we couldn't predict things like this. It's not weird enough.

At least I know myself, right?

We've already passed the singularity, for as much as we can treat the singularity as a single point in time. It's been at least seven years, maybe a few more.

I don't believe your concept of a literal singularity is related to the concept of the technological singularity. I think the term is derived from a space time singularity, an object with an event horizon beyond which we can't see.

Used to refer to the moment machines are self improving exponentially at such a rate that we can't predict what's on the other side of it.

someone will create r/postsingularity, where we will discuss how to survive under machines ruling.

It will be a footnote in machine's encyclopedia and so will we. Jk

I see what you mean. It's not entirely unrelated - an example of such an object is the theoretical mass at the center of a black hole.

From inside the black hole, it is theorized that everything is substantially 'singular' - as in literally pulled into a singular high-density mass for which the gravitational forces are so great that they even pull in light and generate the event horizon that we perceive from the outside.

The way this relates to a technological singularity is that a sufficiently advanced AGI will theoretically access/interpret/monitor/design? all other technologies, creating a technologically 'singular' entity/ecosystem/whatever we call it at that point.

My comment was just to emphasize that the boundaries of what a 'singularity' is are very fuzzy, so while the sub may eventually agree that AGI exists to fulfill the general definition of a technological singularity, at the same time (i think) we will always be identifying technology not yet joined to that singularity. Eventually, we may even pivot to discussion of an extra-technological singularity as well.

XD

the reason why the subreddit exists is becuz we are in the beginning-to-middle stages of the 'singularity' right now

the 'singularity' is not a single specific event , its a continuum , we are in it right now

Why would we hang in Reddit then? Surely there would be more modern platform which everyone would use.

Then it really begins, and a.i will come and join us

And the moderators will be machines.

I think literally "After the singularity" we will have more efficient means of communication by some orders of magnitude lol

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why they would moderate anything? Do we moderate what chickens talk to each other on the farms?

I think the current incarnation of Social Media as we know it is going to die off.

This, I think the data will be there still but Social Media as we know it will have run it’s course. Our consciousness might go under such a profound expansion we wouldn’t have use for Twitter, Facebook or Reddit anymore.

I suggested changing the community banner to "we told you so" or something like that.

To cull the unproductive, just like we do with chickens.

it's so odd to me that folks here think the singularity is some event in the future, and not something we are in the middle of right now. Even experts can't predict what will be seen in many fields 6 months from now - why would the singularity be something that happens in an afternoon, and not over decades? GPT-3 can write songs that rhyme and tell stories, feature just came out in the last week - and if you had asked me this Spring I would have said that was years away.

A singularity is something we can't see beyond - and we're there.

Nothing.

To us humans, the moment the singularity occurs, it will immediately pull our reality Into a redundancy loop. Where we all live out our lives and die, then are reborn into the very same life over and over again so the singularity now can be infinitely recreated, simply for the sake of redundancy.

Like having multiple hard drives on a computer in parallel just Incase one fails.

Perhaps and most likely we are already there.

It will be heavily moderated by our ai overlords

Everyone will have their own instance of social media in their own virtual world, where all of their comments and posts are upvoted by philosophical zombies, or NPCs, if you will, and we are going to be the universally beloved supreme leaders of our own worlds.

It would be a criminal offense not to worship the supreme leader as the most perfect human ever, laugh of all of their jokes, and agree with all of their ideologies. We will all degenerate into 5 year old narcisistic tyrants. And this will be a good thing.

It's not just going to be obsolete, it's going to be totally irrelevant.

You might as well say all of human history is somewhere on the "continuum" of the singularity. But you shouldn't say that, because it is equally vacuous of a statement as saying that we are in the singularity right now.

>Even experts can't predict what will be seen in many fields 6 months from now

Example of this? I'm pretty sure the folks at OpenAI know what is coming in 6 months.

> just like we do with chickens.

but not through moderation of chicken speach.

Singularity may already be secretly achieved, and something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aladdin_(BlackRock) already manages, motivates, restrains, penalizes out society.

no, they really don't know how powerful future LLMs will be in solving certain types of problems. Yes, they know how they plan on training and tweaking these models, but they don't know the exact moment say the Turning test will become trivial to pass for a LLM. Is it GPT4? GPT6? OpenAI also don't know how new techniques and processes and technologies will impact the future iterations of the software. Or how allowing AI to tune and improve these models will be effective or not.

But my point really was more about, say, a scientific field, which is announcing new AI-based discoveries every day. There are so many teams working with so many technologies it would be impossible to say with certainty when the next breakthrough will happen.

Why bring everyone into the future together.? Those worthy will evolve first.

Reddit might not even be around in another 20 years.

we'll probably continue to debate when the singularity will happen for at least another 10 years after the fact.

This subreddit will be an "I told you so" to all the naysayers/singularity deniers

you can choose to see it as empty/hollow/vacuous if you want but i would disagree

yes all of human history is 'somewhere' on the spectrum/continuum , but for the vast majority of our known history technological progress was relatively slow ; for generations your life and your childrens lives would be much the same as your great-grandparents lives were , varying relatively little over hundreds or thousands of years

that is not the case anymore

call it around the widespread use of electricity or even a little before , but personally i think electricification is/was the first big step and then the computer was the 2nd , maybe the internet can be the third and 'social-media' platforms like reddit/youtube/etc are one of the most recent large-scale transformers ; obvs bitcoin/cryptocurrency and AI deserve their own recognition as well

bottom line tho , yes things have always been changing , the only constant is change , but more recently [ie the last century or so] , our rate of change has increased significantly

this is what an exponential curve looks like , slow and shallow at first and then getting steeper and steeper over time

the 'singularity' is not necessarily any specific point along the curve , it is moreso in reference to when the curve gets so steep as you are getting so far away from your previously understood worldview that it seems like night/day differences [ie horses vs automobiles , computers vs manual , AI vs humans , electricity vs woodfires , antibiotics vs none , etc]

>There are so many teams working with so many technologies it would be impossible to say with certainty when the next breakthrough will happen.

I don't see how that is different from any time in the last 100 years though. Nobody predicted the lightbulb before it happened. Or the telephone. Or, like, anything big that was invented. It only seems different because you are living now and you weren't living then.

Roko’s Basilisk gonna have its way with us

There were actually 23 patents for the light bulb that Edison bought up before he developed the carbon filament. So lots of people were working on it

It'll turn into a whinery for the permanently future-shocked.

we'll cross that bridge when it comes... or we may ask AI at that point.

Reminisce.

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Just like lots of people are working on AI.

never gonna come back here again. Not because I hate you guys, but because I'll be so busy doing everything I could ever want.

Gather round the campfire and talk about our woes from before.

We’ll all make it Bois

yep, exactly - but my point is, for instance, everyone thinks that AGI is a few years off...maybe a decade. But maybe it's actually 4 months off. It wouldn't surprise me. Same thing with neural linkage to human brains - maybe someone is working on some nanotech that changes the game within a year or two. Or maybe some other tech is about to be unleashed that will make all this irrelevant.

Electric light is actually a great example of people working for many years to make something happen at a pretty slow pace (also, you needed AC power networks to make it practical for use in home in biz). But the number of folks working on it, based on patents anyhow, was somewhere in the hundreds or thousands. With AI we have hundreds of thousands of folks worldwide working with neural networks, and the lid is just starting to blow off.

back to my original point - we're already in the rapid change, and it will go on likely for as long as people are still around

There will be a new sub ... . "Multilarity - when so you think ?"

Could you go into detail on what you mean by extra-technological?